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Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:32 pm**

I've quite busy but figured someone else would have started this topic. I can order these and ship them for $35(US shipping paid). Let me know if you're interested.

The 52+ Joker 2016 deck was designed by Mark Stutzman.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:09 pm**

The orange and black tuck doesn't look like it matches the deck backs.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:38 pm**

Interested!

One, please.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:18 pm**

Tuck is amazing, faces are pretty darn good, card backs really lacking in comparison in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:08 am**

Bikefanatic wrote:The orange and black tuck doesn't look like it matches the deck backs.

The colors don't match with the tuck and the back of the deck but the image does. The back of the tuck is the same image as the back of the cards. The tuck is foiled to give elegance.

Posted: **Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:32 pm**

Count me in for one.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:27 am**

Here are some bigger pics (last awesome one is from Sparkz).

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:41 am**

I'm diggin' these- thanks for the hook-up, Brent!

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:17 am**

Just saw this (by VJose):

(Unless this is a gaff card) it seems that are those that aren't as perfectionists as Lotrek and are satisfied with a lesser deck... Very happy that I didn't got these, was about to pull the trigger, but after seems this, HELL NO...

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:12 pm**

I'll open a deck tonight and check it. But doubt it's a gaff card.

This blows!

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:02 pm**

I took a look at mine this morning before heading into work. Yep, that's the real deal; that's the 6 of clubs, and it has the wrong number of pips.

This deck is interesting in many ways, in that it is good, but it's missing anything special (the previous two club 52+J decks, by contrast, each had special additional touches that lifted them above and beyond a typical commemorative deck.)

The tuck is very good, and the card backs are very good, but they really don't match each other at all. The tuck is accented with copper foil; there is nothing coppery or foily about the cards. It's as if the tuck and the cards belong to two separate-but-related (ish) projects.

The face cards look like they *should* be accented with metallic inks, but if they are metallic inks, they are really missing the reflective properties that metallic inks usually display. (This has been true of some T11 and E decks in years past.)

The cards themselves are a totally fine example of EPCC quality.

But, yeah, there's that six of clubs.

I'm not trying to pile on here. I appreciate that a lot of effort went into these decks, and we all know that mistakes happen. Rather, this was billed as a premium deck, and it comes after a pretty high water mark set by Jackson Robinson and Paul Carpenter. Unfortunately, this year's entry doesn't quite live up to expectations.

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:21 pm**

rousselle wrote:.... Rather, this was billed as a premium deck....

Yeah, pretty much that. A premium deck intended only to make profit on. As the lazy quality control proved by letting this tremendous mistake flying by...

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:02 pm**

Not cool!

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:48 pm**

Only numbered gaff card I seen was the #13 in the Bicycle Brimstone deck. Ironically the 7 and 6 equals that.

Along with rousselle, glad I'm not the only one who finds the tuck and back colors odd.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:12 am**

Those backs have an almost Nouveau BIJOUX look to them.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:21 pm**

rousselle wrote: I'm not trying to pile on here. I appreciate that a lot of effort went into these decks, and we all know that mistakes happen. Rather, this was billed as a premium deck, and it comes after a pretty high water mark set by Jackson Robinson and Paul Carpenter. Unfortunately, this year's entry doesn't quite live up to expectations.

Exactly! I don't know why this costs ~ 35$, as the 2014 and 2015 Edition had foiled backs.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:40 pm**

It's not an inexpensive deck that's certain. I won't judge any 52+ deck against another, that's just not for me to do at all. I enjoy them all and each of the styles speak for themselves, I think they're all quite good. Human errors happen, regardless of an oversight on the pips of the six of spades. It is still a very well done deck by Mark Stutzman. It's still limited to 500 decks. In my opinion it's worth every cent of that $35 US price tag. I am a big Mark Stutzman fan and I would pay more for those Jokers alone. Gorgeous deck in my opinion. I love the play on the black tuck with foil, it's like it taunts to be opened. Pop the lid and the colors jump out at you. Dramatic then playful, that's some showmanship there.

I kind of wonder what people were expecting the deck to be like that it didn't live up to. There was no hype. No grand claims. I just don't understand that part of things but it is what it is. I didn't expect the 52+ deck this year to be designed by Mark Stutzman, when I heard he did I was beside myself. I don't feel let down at all, quiet the opposite I'm thrilled to have this deck arriving.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:40 pm**

I agree this is a beautiful deck and I am a big fan of Stuzman's work all around. I was very very ready to pull the trigger on a pair of these.

However...

You cannot sell me a deck that has the wrong pip count on a card face. That's just absurd. Errors will happen, sure. And when they are of this type, you have to fix them, IMO.

You certainly have to disclose them when you're trying to sell the deck. As of now, the club site doesn't disclose the problem. Not acceptable.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:44 am**

Fes wrote:I kind of wonder what people were expecting the deck to be like that it didn't live up to.

Well, for starters, they're charging $35.00 per deck, and that's with no foiling on the backs or gilding on the edges. If you're going to charge me the ultra high premium of roughly three times what a typical custom deck costs, at least have the commensurate quality control and make sure you don't make such fundamental errors.

rrot wrote:You cannot sell me a deck that has the wrong pip count on a card face. That's just absurd. Errors will happen, sure. And when they are of this type, you have to fix them, IMO.

You certainly have to disclose them when you're trying to sell the deck. As of now, the club site doesn't disclose the problem. Not acceptable.

Exactly. They had to have known there was this huge screw up before they sold their first deck. If they actually didn't know, this degree of cluelessness rises to outright negligence. If they did know, then it borders on fraudulence. They have to put out a disclaimer. But that would put them in a pickle. They would have to say, "This deck is defective to the degree that basic playability may be compromised. Oh, but we'd still like for you to fork over 35 bucks for this deck...."

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:58 pm**

PrincessTrouble wrote:Not cool!

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Andrea, has anyone posted this over on the club forum?

As many as it is, the right thing to do would be to get ten sheets of 52 printed and replace the single card for buyers. I suppose that if you had charged $8-$12 you could duck, but for $35 you expect better. I mean, it certainly wasn't done on purpose, but overlooking something like this is odd, and we have seen decks held up, reprinted or single cards replaced more than once recently.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:51 am**

Mike Ratledge wrote: Andrea, has anyone posted this over on the club forum?

It appears that they didn't realise the mistake until someone posted the photo on the forum.
I quote Lee Asher response to another poster.
"While I understand your passion, I think it's a bit misguided. Sure it's a $35 deck, but what this really is ... is an original club deck created by Mark Stutzman. There are only 500, and they are just for our membership. You won't see them advertised outside of our club.

What surprises me the most is not a single person has spoken about all the Tom Dawson homage found within this deck. Please take a moment to look passed Pip-Gate, and you'll find the cool intricacies Mark embedded in memory of Tom."
"Mistakes were made before it went to print. No one caught it."

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:19 am**

Weird no-one has o dear/mea culped

Assume that a patch/fix is in hurried manufacture

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:29 am**

52JokesandCounting wrote: I quote Lee Asher response to another poster.
"While I understand your passion, I think it's a bit misguided. Sure it's a $35 deck, but what this really is ... is an original club deck created by Mark Stutzman. There are only 500, and they are just for our membership. You won't see them advertised outside of our club.

What surprises me the most is not a single person has spoken about all the Tom Dawson homage found within this deck. Please take a moment to look passed Pip-Gate, and you'll find the cool intricacies Mark embedded in memory of Tom."
"Mistakes were made before it went to print. No one caught it."

Really?? Did this guy wrote this to justify the error?? What a Clown...
You should forget that the deck is not a deck anymore because it is designed by Mark Stutzman and is an homage to Tom Dawson so $35 for this this is totally justified!!
Coming for the guy that creates the ARTIFICIAL rarety of the JN's to sell them for $300+ shouldn't surprise anyone...
I would say to the guy: "Please see past the $$$ and do the right thing to the people that bought the deck."

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:40 pm**

I guess they call this Damage Control. If you notice, it's Don. He is the guy who practically runs that other site. It seems like they are not planning to fix this even though in the past ppl who had errors have fixed broken decks. Any examples? I forget which ones...

I'm sure ppl are disappointed with buying a $35 premium broken deck. Sorta like this guy who hates cheap plastic couplings with his premium engine.
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Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:39 pm**

They need to pay for a print run and fix it. Simple as that.

Shows the integrity between people. Jackson's Kings Wild had a mistake, and he fixed it and communicated it. He didn't make any excuses and paid for it in delays and money. But it got fixed. 52+joker haven't yet (and probably won't). They are willingly let people overpay on a defective deck. With that kind of mistake, it's not a deck of cards, it's non-gameworthy and non-functional artwork on specialized paper.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:47 am**

As per Lee Asher on PCF:

Therefore, in response to these errors, 52 Plus Joker will be doing the following:
1. Reprinting the 6 clubs as well as the tuck box.
2. Steve will include replacement card(s) and flat tuck box(es) with your March CTD, equivalent to the number of decks you have purchased.
3. Steve has complete records of all orders after the convention. All members who attended the convention (where we did not record sales by member) will receive 3 cards and boxes. If you bought more than 3 in Chicago, please advise Steve by emailing him at srbbowling@gmail.com.
4. All orders received after December 1, 2016 will be held until they can be shipped with the replacements.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:37 am**

So after trying the most to keep the money and trying selling how unique the deck would be (so unique that it wouldn't serve to play) with that misprinted card they finally will do the right thing.
That should had cost Lee Asher very much, admiting the mistake and being forced to reprint the error card, if people would realize how unique the deck is with that error card (dumb people [sarcasm]...).

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:48 am**

Details of resolution:

Lee Asher wrote: Although many of us have kept our beautiful 2016 decks sealed, as you
know we've come to find out that the 6 clubs has an extra pip.
Furthermore, the tuck box indicates the deck was made in Tiwan. While
amusing to some, these are objectionable issues to others.

As the President of the 52 Plus Joker, I must take fault for the
situation. You have my sincerest apologies for any mistakes found on
the deck. They come honestly, and due to this unforeseen incident,
next year we will have more checks & balances put in place so this
doesn't happen again.

Additionally, for the record, discussions with the Taiwan embassy
broke down and led us to conclude that they are not willing to change
their name.

Therefore, in response to all of this, 52 Plus Joker will be enacting
the following immediately:

1.    Reprinting the 6 clubs as well as the tuck box.

2.    Steve Bowling (52 Plus Joker Treasurer) will include replacement
card(s) and flat tuck box(es) with your March CTD, equivalent to the
number of decks you have purchased.

3.    Mr. Bowling has complete records of all orders after the
convention. All members who attended the convention (where we did not
record sales by member) will receive three cards and boxes. If you
bought more than three in Chicago, please advise Steve Bowling by
emailing him at srbbowling@gmail.com.

4.    All orders received after December 1, 2016 will be held until
they can be shipped with the replacements.

One last thought -- I don't personally profit on any of this, nor does
anyone else in the club.

52 Plus Joker is comprised of volunteers who simply love playing cards
like everyone else. You can rest assured knowing that proceeds from
this deck sale (or any of the club's sales) go to the club's treasury
which helps keep:

- cost of membership low
- convention registration fees low
- hotel prices at the convention low

I hope that clarifies everything, and makes the world right again for
those who were upset.

Thank you once more for your understanding, and patience.

With much love & respect,
Lee Asher

..
President
52 Plus Joker
http://www.52plusjoker.org

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:40 pm**

If you have not seen it.

I guess that was the tipping point that made them do it. With anything, it's very important to get as many eyes on something before you mass produce it. You can't expect a sole person who looks at the same thing day after day to make something without errors. It has even happened to me. Your brain just skips over the error and just doesn't see it.

It doesn't matter get your mother, brother, friend, even a stranger to look at your work. You might be surprised with the feedback...

If you are a future deck maker, heed this warning and learn from their costly mistake...

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:52 pm**

What if we got our decks on playingcards.net? I guess we are SOL.

Side note, I doubt this mistake would have happened if Tom was still around.

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