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As far as I'm aware USPCC have their Bee and Standard stock. But I've found decks done by Theory 11 described as being -

"The cards are produced in the USA using FSC-certified papers derived from sustainable forests, vegetable based inks and starch based laminates."

If custom card makers, such as in KickStarter, go to USPCC can they have an option to produce their decks with these "FSC-certified papers..."?

So this is quoted from the uspcc website "Using paper that originates from sustainable forests in North America, starch-based laminate and vegetable-based inks"

So yea, all the cards from uspcc are sustainable, granted I found this under their casino tab.

Little bit of collector's environmental guilt, eh?

Yeah I get that sometimes when I see the decks piling up and realizing all the insane amounts of paper that go into making them. Gotta take their word for it to ease my conscience.

Norbie wrote:As far as I'm aware USPCC have their Bee and Standard stock. But I've found decks done by Theory 11 described as being -

"The cards are produced in the USA using FSC-certified papers derived from sustainable forests, vegetable based inks and starch based laminates."

If custom card makers, such as in KickStarter, go to USPCC can they have an option to produce their decks with these "FSC-certified papers..."?

You have to separate the facts from hype sometimes when it comes to T11, D&D, and E. I remember back in the day in the days of Decknique when the USPCC was in Ohio and still had multiple options for different stock and both T11 and D&D started using Aristocrat stock. It was a cost cutting measure because they didn't want to pay the premium for casino-grade Bee stock (like E did with their UV500 stock). Aristocrat was marginally a step up from the standard Bicycle stock, but it was really a bargain alternative to Bee stock for smaller casinos that wanted a more economical paper stock. But a few vocal fanboys started proclaiming that Aristocrat stock was the highest quality stock on the planet (because, hey, Bayme and the twins said it was so!) and actually argued casino-grade Bee stock was lower in price and quality to Aristocrat. They wouldn't shut up about it until a couple of members posted up a USPCC spec sheet showing the hierarchy of stock and pricing at the USPCC that proved that Aristocrat was about the same cost as standard Rider Back stock and that casino-grade Bee was in fact the top of the line stock. But T11 and D&D hyped up the Aristocrat stock so much that a lot of people actually believed it was the top of the line stock. I always take any hype from these companies with a grain of salt.

volantangel wrote:So this is quoted from the uspcc website "Using paper that originates from sustainable forests in North America, starch-based laminate and vegetable-based inks"

So yea, all the cards from uspcc are sustainable, granted I found this under their casino tab.

A few years back USPCC went through "greening" phase with their production pipeline. Also, just in the past 6 months or so ALL tucks coming out of USPCC MUST have the recycled symbol on them. Subsequently, in order to keep the recycled symbol on the box and to maintain their "green" status they must have all of the "vegetable" based inks and laminates. They also have to do this because one of their production standards is that a child has to be able digest their cards without risk of illness. It sounds crazy but it's 100% true. It is also interesting that they installed an incredible vacuum system to transport all of the waste paper to a recycling facility in house. They did this to meet the "green" requirements.

As for the paper stocks available now there are only two Bee and Aristocrat. (They joined aristocrat and the bicycle stock and just stopped using the term bicycle stock)

JacksonRobinson wrote:their production standards is that a child has to be able digest their cards without risk of illness.

So if the apocalypse comes at least we'll all have a month or two emergency rations lol

It seems in house they call it Bee and Bike...