Bicycle "The Civil War Deck" - Jackson Robinson/KingsWild

[CBJ]

The latest creation from the mind of Jackson Robinson!!

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"I'm happy to finally release a shred of info of my first official deck series I designed exclusively for the United States Playing Card Company. These will be available in July some time but a solid date hasn't been locked down yet so stay tuned for more info art in the coming weeks."







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CBJ

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[bamabenz]

I hope these will be available on shopbicyclecards.com.
I got a 20% discount for renewing 808 club.
/bama

[badpete69]

Sooo stoopid question. Isn't it the Bicycle Shop that sells decks and not USPCC which we know manufactures them. Is it really designed exclusively for the USPCC? I know it's trivial but I am curious now. I know that ShopBicycle cards is operated by Wingra Direct LLC

[ecNate]

So many questions...

I'll just start with this one though - Is this for club808 only or might this be available in stores as mass market deck? Either way, the price should be pretty good.

Hoping to learn much more about this one soon. July is pretty soon too, that's exciting. Must be LATE July I'm guessing, probably will be delayed as well.

[wwpierce]

@ ecNate

Well I hope if they are mass market available, Wal-Mart does not have some exclusive Orange version.. That would just be so wrong...

[ecNate]

@ ecNate

Well I hope if they are mass market available, Wal-Mart does not have some exclusive Orange version.. That would just be so wrong...

Well it does say 'series' which implies more than one deck. From the tease tuck I find it hard how to do a variant of civil war other than v2, so......perhaps your dream of a walmart exclusive is possible!

[rjtomlinson1977]

Seriously?!?!?!?! I pay nearly 10 grand to a company that turns around within 6 months then pays God knows how much to one of the top artists to create a series to compete against mine (one of their customers)? No offense, to Jackson, but this is bs on USPCC part. I am seriously not happy about this. This totally is a rip off move by USPCC.

[Cbkimble]

This is speculation only, do not interpret this as anything else. That might be why he was able to print low counts with minimal costs. Cut him a deal to product them a deck/series.

[MagikFingerz]

This is speculation only, do not interpret this as anything else. That might be why he was able to print low counts with minimal costs. Cut him a deal to product them a deck/series.

You know he's actually employed by the USPCC, right?

[Jock1971]

Seriously?!?!?!?! I pay nearly 10 grand to a company that turns around within 6 months then pays God knows how much to one of the top artists to create a series to compete against mine (one of their customers)? No offense, to Jackson, but this is bs on USPCC part. I am seriously not happy about this. This totally is a rip off move by USPCC.

Are you thinking about doing "Colonial Unrest" with EPCC now? or are you going for Three strikes and out?

[Sher]

Seriously?!?!?!?! I pay nearly 10 grand to a company that turns around within 6 months then pays God knows how much to one of the top artists to create a series to compete against mine (one of their customers)? No offense, to Jackson, but this is bs on USPCC part. I am seriously not happy about this. This totally is a rip off move by USPCC.

Are you thinking about doing "Colonial Unrest" with EPCC now? or are you going for Three strikes and out?

Eh, but doing such a patriotic deck with a manufacturer overseas as opposed to one based in the USA is a bit unusual...

[Jock1971]

After not being allowed to use the Bicycle brand for the "Global" decks and now this . I thought Robert might be getting a bit weary of using USPCC for any future projects .

[YoYoSpin]

I've often thought that USPCC is kinda like eBay...everyone I know hates eBay but keeps selling their stuff through them, instead of going to a competitor who would be more user friendly and less costly. Another way to say it is...big boy's momentum (market penetration, reputation, perceived quality, cult following) almost always works against the consumer.

[Bikefanatic]

That tucks looks too much like the Silver Certificate tuck, it needs something different.

[Cbkimble]

This is speculation only, do not interpret this as anything else. That might be why he was able to print low counts with minimal costs. Cut him a deal to product them a deck/series.

You know he's actually employed by the USPCC, right?

Actually I didn't. Then there's another possibility.

[wahl0108]

This is speculation only, do not interpret this as anything else. That might be why he was able to print low counts with minimal costs. Cut him a deal to product them a deck/series.

You know he's actually employed by the USPCC, right?

Actually I didn't. Then there's another possibility.

What's that?

[ecNate]

I'm not going to copy/paste, but see thread at discourse for details from Jackson. Exec summary - mass retailer deck, plus ltd editions; blue (north) and red (south) versions

[rjtomlinson1977]

I am considering EPCC for future projects. I just find it slightly odd that they would come out with a Civil War deck only a few months after I came out with a Civil War deck (on top of that I was able to use the Bicycle brand for that deck). To me it seems like a conflict of interest to print my deck and allow me to use the Bicycle brand but a few months after print their own version that will hurt the market for mine.

[sprouts1115]

What are you talking about. Don't you see it? This the starting of phase 2. We are going to see some interesting stuff in July. It just gets better...

[Widdee]

I've often thought that USPCC is kinda like eBay...everyone I know hates eBay but keeps selling their stuff through them, instead of going to a competitor who would be more user friendly and less costly. Another way to say it is...big boy's momentum (market penetration, reputation, perceived quality, cult following) almost always works against the consumer.

A lot to agree with here, doubt USPCC cares who they step on if they want something bad enough. Most big companies don't.

[bamabenz]

I believe that JR has a contract with USPCC for him to supply design(s). That does not make him an employee.

While I sympathize with RJ, he does not own any IP on the Civil War, just on his artwork and maybe some specific design elements.

In fact, I would not be surprised if RJ's contract with USPCC has specific wording about this sort of thing.

Just saying.
/bama

[nECr0MaNCeD]

I believe that JR has a contract with USPCC for him to supply design(s). That does not make him an employee.

While I sympathize with RJ, he does not own any IP on the Civil War, just on his artwork and maybe some specific design elements.

In fact, I would not be surprised if RJ's contract with USPCC has specific wording about this sort of thing.

Just saying.
/bama

All very true and I agree but it doesn't make it any less of a dick move on USPCC's part. In they end I doubt they care about the independent designers or collector's. As it has been said before their major business is cranking out decks by the millions for Casinos and retail giants. I see this as a great opportunity for EPCC. It wouldn't be the first time a smaller company put a serious hurting on a larger company by catering to the small groups of disenfranchised customers.

[bamabenz]

I believe that JR has a contract with USPCC for him to supply design(s). That does not make him an employee.

While I sympathize with RJ, he does not own any IP on the Civil War, just on his artwork and maybe some specific design elements.

In fact, I would not be surprised if RJ's contract with USPCC has specific wording about this sort of thing.

Just saying.
/bama

All very true and I agree but it doesn't make it any less of a dick move on USPCC's part. In they end I doubt they care about the independent designers or collector's. As it has been said before their major business is cranking out decks by the millions for Casinos and retail giants. I see this as a great opportunity for EPCC. It wouldn't be the first time a smaller company put a serious hurting on a larger company by catering to the small groups of disenfranchised customers.

So you think that USPCC shouldn't produce any deck that uses the same theme as one they produced with their custom shop?

Look, this problem occurs in many industries: movies, books, printing, news, etc.
At the end of the day it has to do with what your contract says, and what copyrights, etc you hold.
I'm pretty sure that USPCC would never produce any custom decks if it locked them out of producing decks with the same theme.

And are you sure that Civil Unrest is the first time that USPCC has printed a civil war deck? Or a war deck?

At the end of the day I bet we will look at JR's Civil War deck and compare it to Civil Unrest and the difference will between night and day. The art will be JR's and not RJ's.

This is a non-issue.

/bama

[Sher]

Is this any different than when different artists create a deck of the same theme? Like Calaveras, Dia de Los Muertos, and Muertos? Same theme, but all very different take. This is the same theme as Civil Unrest, but it looks very different. I suppose it's because USPCC is fully aware of RJ's Civil Unrest deck and knowingly went ahead with using the same theme? Though themes are bound to be used again at some point. Independence and the upcoming Colonial unrest have the same theme...

Please understand I'm not trying to pick sides or antagonize anyone here. I'm just bringing up some points for consideration...

[bamabenz]

Is this any different than when different artists create a deck of the same theme? Like Calaveras, Dia de Los Muertos, and Muertos? Same theme, but all very different take. This is the same theme as Civil Unrest, but it looks very different. I suppose it's because USPCC is fully aware of RJ's Civil Unrest deck and knowingly went ahead with using the same theme? Though themes are bound to be used again at some point. Independence and the upcoming Colonial unrest have the same theme...

Please understand I'm not trying to pick sides or antagonize anyone here. I'm just bringing up some points for consideration...

Not to mention all those Cthulhu decks...

Civil Unrest got $11,781 in pledges. Its hard to imagine USPCC seeing that and thinking 'we can do the same thing and make lots of money''. I doubt if Civil Unrest was ever a part of their conversation.

[TGunitedcardists]

Seriously?!?!?!?! I pay nearly 10 grand to a company that turns around within 6 months then pays God knows how much to one of the top artists to create a series to compete against mine (one of their customers)? No offense, to Jackson, but this is bs on USPCC part. I am seriously not happy about this. This totally is a rip off move by USPCC.

Because you made a deck using the theme, it doesn't automatically rule out everyone else using that theme. How many Steampunk decks are there, for example? Just because Jackson did decks about currency, doesn't give him sole rights to the whole currency theme either. However, anyone who does use the theme will have to compare their work to his. Just like his work will be compared to yours.

I am considering EPCC for future projects. I just find it slightly odd that they would come out with a Civil War deck only a few months after I came out with a Civil War deck (on top of that I was able to use the Bicycle brand for that deck). To me it seems like a conflict of interest to print my deck and allow me to use the Bicycle brand but a few months after print their own version that will hurt the market for mine.

If anything, these new decks should help your sales. If people are interested in the theme, there's a good chance they will want all decks around the theme. And these new decks will be compared to yours.

I think it's a good idea to use EPCC for future projects. Helps you lower the price. The days of Bicycle only for quality decks are over.

[Widdee]

That tucks looks too much like the Silver Certificate tuck, it needs something different.

It does look like a Fed 52 clone deck, and it will be for the masses. I will be interesting to see how long JR can milk this style before buyer fatigue sets in. I'm sure he has thought of this, he is a wise man.

[rjtomlinson1977]

I never said they shouldn't do a similar themed deck. I'm just saying I find it in poor taste to do it only 5 months after the release of mine. Also, I agree the artwork between JR and RJ will be 100% different. I have no issues with JR doing a deck on the Civil War... likewise I didni't have an issue with him doing a deck on the American Revolution. I don't care if everybody and their brother does the same theme. My issue is with the company (USPCC) that took a ton of money to produce my deck and then turn right around to have somebody else produce the same idea.

[Cbkimble]

Believe in yourself, you'll get your funding.

[bamabenz]

That tucks looks too much like the Silver Certificate tuck, it needs something different.

It does look like a Fed 52 clone deck, and it will be for the masses. I will be interesting to see how long JR can milk this style before buyer fatigue sets in. I'm sure he has thought of this, he is a wise man.

The Kings Wild Standard courts are a different style. If you look at JR's personal site http://www.onelunglewis.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; you can see a fair amount of diversity.

It will be interesting to see the level of variety in his military series of decks.

/bama