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There was a guy on Kickstarter (Sly Kly) who produced precision dice, kind of what Amber Rix did but with a twist because they had a floating face design, which is pretty cool. His next project is Carbon Fiber playing cards. Apparently he's going to launch this KS project in 4-5 days. Here is a preview picture:

Sorry for the double post, but I don't know how to post 2 pictures at a time. Here is another picture:

Well, I'm intrigued. Hard to say how they would perform.

Brillig wrote:Well, I'm intrigued. Hard to say how they would perform.

I'll guess that the answer is "they won't".

However, as a novelty, I'll still be interested presuming the price isn't crazy.

Every collection needs at least one "Oh, and wait 'till you see this one..." entry.

If these are real carbon fiber I'm sure they will be pricey. I'm in for two depending on price. I wonder who prints on carbon fiber and how long the paint will last on them.

back in the late 90´s, the father of a friend of mine - who worked in the airplane industries - he was sick of buying his son 2-3 new skateboards a month so he made 2 prototype skateboards out of carbon fiber.
i remember him saying that one carbon fiber skateboard was alone worth material cost of $300.
it was nearly unbreakable and had a good pop but the edges started to become razor sharp after a week or two of grinding/slides.

i wonder how flexible these cards will be and how far you can manipulate them (riffle/faro shuffles, card springs etc.).
one thing is sure : no magician will be able to perform a torn&restored card effect with those babies

Looks like they are starting at 100 dollars. What do you guys think?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sly ... n=900215a2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Expensive for card-throwing, but hey - maybe!

I was just chatting with Sly Kly. I asked him to stop by and give us some comments

badpete69 wrote:I was just chatting with Sly Kly. I asked him to stop by and give us some comments

How is (s)he supposed to do that? Mike won't let new designers in.

Special invitation hehe

DukeBoy wrote:

badpete69 wrote:I was just chatting with Sly Kly. I asked him to stop by and give us some comments

How is (s)he supposed to do that? Mike won't let new designers in.

I didn't say I wouldn't let in new designers. I am going to approve all new members because we have too many one hit wonders that are not adding any content except to pump their deck. They are not paying me to advertise on this forum and if they cannot add any content other than promoting their deck, then there really isn't any reason for them to be here. This is how all forums work, not just this one. All forums require you to become a member in good standing BEFORE you start promoting and/or selling your products.

Thanks!

sqratch wrote:Looks like they are starting at 100 dollars. What do you guys think?

I think that since the minimum pledge for International is two decks (WHAT??!?!), I'm over and out.

It's unlikely that I'd be able to rationalize one deck, but forcing me to spring for two is a complete non-starter.

BMPokerworld wrote:

DukeBoy wrote:

badpete69 wrote:I was just chatting with Sly Kly. I asked him to stop by and give us some comments

How is (s)he supposed to do that? Mike won't let new designers in.

I didn't say I wouldn't let in new designers. I am going to approve all new members because we have too many one hit wonders that are not adding any content except to pump their deck. They are not paying me to advertise on this forum and if they cannot add any content other than promoting their deck, then there really isn't any reason for them to be here. This is how all forums work not just this one. All forums require you to become a member in good standing BEFORE you start promoting and/or selling your products.

Thanks!

Which is fine, I have no issue with the rule, lord knows we do not need them just to show up and post their Kickstarter that is why we have Pierre. But if this designer is allowed in to talk about this deck and has not built that content up, then I would like to know what make this designer allowed in but the Poker Buddy Designer not allowed in. Both of their 1st posts would be about promoting their deck and not building up content. I just want to see consistent enforcement of the rule.

sqratch wrote:Looks like they are starting at 100 dollars. What do you guys think?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sly ... n=900215a2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

I think I might be up for a deck. It's truly just a novelty though, I would guess that the weave on the backs can't be made consistent, so every card is 'marked'.

DukeBoy wrote:

BMPokerworld wrote:

DukeBoy wrote:

badpete69 wrote:I was just chatting with Sly Kly. I asked him to stop by and give us some comments

How is (s)he supposed to do that? Mike won't let new designers in.

I didn't say I wouldn't let in new designers. I am going to approve all new members because we have too many one hit wonders that are not adding any content except to pump their deck. They are not paying me to advertise on this forum and if they cannot add any content other than promoting their deck, then there really isn't any reason for them to be here. This is how all forums work not just this one. All forums require you to become a member in good standing BEFORE you start promoting and/or selling your products.

Thanks!

Which is fine, I have no issue with the rule, lord knows we do not need them just to show up and post their Kickstarter that is why we have Pierre. But if this designer is allowed in to talk about this deck and has not built that content up, then I would like to know what make this designer allowed in but the Poker Buddy Designer not allowed in. Both of their 1st posts would be about promoting their deck and not building up content. I just want to see consistent enforcement of the rule.

Because the original post he made a month or so ago was taking people away from the forum to his site. There are a lot of factors that go in to my decision as to whether or not I allow the post. I am not going to share them with you because then the people I am trying to keep out will know how to get in.

Thanks!

BMPokerworld wrote:Because the original post he maybe a month or so ago was taking people away from the forum to his site. There are a lot of factors that go in to my decision as to whether or not I allow the post or not. I am not going to share them with you because then the people I am trying to keep out will know how to get in.

Thanks!

This thread is already taking us away from your site so it is little different other than the fact someone other than the designer posted the link. The difference is minor, but if you want to play semantics that is fine, but the same basic result is still there.

Step one post about a deck (does it matter who starts it)
Step two talk about the deck
Step three design responds to talk about deck
Step four (optional KS preview, or FB account with more pictures) leave this site to go look at said deck(possible talk about deck there too)
Come back to site and repeat(either on this deck or different deck)

Overall this site is talking about decks on KS or other sites or seeing if you can win the last post thread. So stopping a designer coming in and talking about a deck we have already posted seems to be counter productive to our ability to do the former.

BMPokerworld wrote: I am not going to share them with you because then the people I am trying to keep out will know how to get in.

Thanks!

Mike, would it not be easier to be totally transparent about the criteria? If the designers and everyone else knew exactly where they stood - then they would be prepared to meet those criteria if they wanted to contribute. If they didn't want to contribute and only wanted to promote their own deck, then they wouldn't even bother most likely.

I'm all for rules that help improve the forum, but I personally don't think the lack of clarity is helping.

As for the cards- looks like it's US only, pretty disappointing really - I can't say I would definitely back it, but I am interested.

JPMiddleton wrote:

BMPokerworld wrote: I am not going to share them with you because then the people I am trying to keep out will know how to get in.

Thanks!

Mike, would it not be easier to be totally transparent about the criteria? If the designers and everyone else knew exactly where they stood - then they would be prepared to meet those criteria if they wanted to contribute. If they didn't want to contribute and only wanted to promote their own deck, then they wouldn't even bother most likely.

I'm all for rules that help improve the forum, but I personally don't think the lack of clarity is helping.

As for the cards- looks like it's US only, pretty disappointing really - I can't say I would definitely back it, but I am interested.

It is clear. We are going to be like every other forum in the world. You are not going to be allowed to post just about what you sell or what you are creating, without posting about anything else. Jamm Pakd Cards is a perfect example. He join the forum on 8/3/13 and made 14 posts thru 10/29/13. Not one post he made was a comment about any of the other topics in this forum. How is that possible if you are truly interested in playing cards like he told me he was? It's not.

In addition, he made identical posts or nearly identical posts on 3 other forums and again he did not participate beyond his own deck. Only after I said something, then he made 3 posts on different topics. That is not someone I want here. If I wanted that type of member, I would be charging them to join.

Thanks!

DukeBoy wrote:

BMPokerworld wrote:Because the original post he maybe a month or so ago was taking people away from the forum to his site. There are a lot of factors that go in to my decision as to whether or not I allow the post or not. I am not going to share them with you because then the people I am trying to keep out will know how to get in.

Thanks!

This thread is already taking us away from your site so it is little different other than the fact someone other than the designer posted the link. The difference is minor, but if you want to play semantics that is fine, but the same basic result is still there.

Step one post about a deck (does it matter who starts it)
Step two talk about the deck
Step three design responds to talk about deck
Step four (optional KS preview, or FB account with more pictures) leave this site to go look at said deck(possible talk about deck there too)
Come back to site and repeat(either on this deck or different deck)

Overall this site is talking about decks on KS or other sites or seeing if you can win the last post thread. So stopping a designer coming in and talking about a deck we have already posted seems to be counter productive to our ability to do the former.

You're leaving out the time factor. Someone new here isn't going to be stopped from posting unless they directly break the basic rules right off the bat, but if after some time all they have done is promoting and selling, then their agenda is clear.

What every seems to forget is before I resurrected UC, the only place to go was the Forum owned by that thief, Alex Yusupov. What happened when you went there and you said something he or one of his lackeys, Don Boyer or Joshua Robinson, didn't like? They banned you, shouted you down or hid your thread. God forbid you asked about why you didn't get the vortex decks that you paid for, Don the chief lackey, would rip into you defending his master like no tomorrow. So I felt that the playing card community should have a place where they could go and not worry about being banned because they offended the gatekeeper. I have never banned anyone because they have disagreed with me, nor have I had anyone shout someone down when I was clearly wrong. If that is the type of forum you want, then be my guest, leave and go over to the thief and his jokers.

To get this forum back up and running took quite a bit of time and about $1500. To be honest, I have not seen any noticeable uptick in sales because I own the forum. In fact, it is probably the opposite. Some people think that I no longer should have a passionate opinion about a subject simply because I own the forum. Nobody is saying Mike is $.25 more for that deck, so let me buy it from him anyway because he pays for the forum. Nope, some people just want to pay the cheapest amount possible, even when they know they are dealing with someone who is less than reputable.

But the real kicker is this, we have quite a few designers & resellers that come to this forum and promote their deck or store, who did not buy 1 UC deck!!!! Now I have to ask you something, why should I let them continue to post here? Clearly they are here for their own benefit and not mine. If they cannot help support the forum that is helping them promote their deck or store for free, is that fair to me?

Thanks!

I didn't buy a UC deck personally Mike, but i'm not sure why that should stop me from posting here?

I'm all for any rule that improves the quality of the forum and if you feel that we (resellers) and designers need to contribute more, than fair enough - I don't have a problem with that at all. All communities and forums have similar rules as you pointed out, so no problems here.

Back on topic, did the designer say he would join us? As I am interested in hearing a little more from him on this one.

The 2 deck minimum for Int shipping is a killer... yes prices may be going up, but as a proportion of the basic price those that really want it would pay the shipping.

But the real question: can they stop bullets?


(On the topic of the rules, I would imagine that if a designer is invited to specifically talk about their creation that that would afford them some leeway... a probationary period for the life of the project or reasonable time maybe)

JPMiddleton wrote:I didn't buy a UC deck personally Mike, but i'm not sure why that should stop me from posting here?

I'm all for any rule that improves the quality of the forum and if you feel that we (resellers) and designers need to contribute more, than fair enough - I don't have a problem with that at all. All communities and forums have similar rules as you pointed out, so no problems here.

Back on topic, did the designer say he would join us? As I am interested in hearing a little more from him on this one.

Why? Are you serious? By you posting here, it allows you to make people aware of your store for free. So once again you are getting the benefit of advertising for free. You would think it would have been worth your while for a small invest. To be honest, I didn't really produce the deck to cover the cost of the forum. If it did great, but the real point was to become a stronger community by having our members have an exclusive deck, but because of the people who are members that didn't support the deck, we had to go outside of the community. That was very disappointing to me.

Thanks!

montecarlojoe wrote:The 2 deck minimum for Int shipping is a killer... yes prices may be going up, but as a proportion of the basic price those that really want it would pay the shipping.

But the real question: can they stop bullets?


(On the topic of the rules, I would imagine that if a designer is invited to specifically talk about their creation that that would afford them some leeway... a probationary period for the life of the project or reasonable time maybe)

Nobody can invite a designer AND approve their post but me. I chose to allow the designer of this deck because it is very unique and not another Photoshopped deck that looks like crap, with a deck creator that has all the design ability of a rock.

Thanks!

JPMiddleton wrote:I didn't buy a UC deck personally Mike, but i'm not sure why that should stop me from posting here?

I'm all for any rule that improves the quality of the forum and if you feel that we (resellers) and designers need to contribute more, than fair enough - I don't have a problem with that at all. All communities and forums have similar rules as you pointed out, so no problems here.

Back on topic, did the designer say he would join us? As I am interested in hearing a little more from him on this one.

Yes he did say he would.

Thanks!

I have moved the off topic conversation here
http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2502" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like the cards, and $100 is nothing to sneeze at, but I understand the cost of CF and the manufacturing of these cards. Trying to get to $35K, especially at $100/deck, is an unobtainable goal in my eyes. That's 350 backers (or so) at $100 each. I just don't believe that there are that many folks out there willing to drop that on a new deck. $10K, maybe. I'd love to see it succeed, but that's a tall order.

BMPokerworld wrote: Nobody can invite a designer AND approve their post but me. I chose to allow the designer of this deck because it is very unique and not another Photoshopped deck that looks like crap, with a deck creator that has all the design ability of a rock.

Thanks!

Good to know and I applaud the decision.

I certainly look forward to see how the carbon fibre decks develop - I would have to think very hard about pledging (need money for xmas), especially with a 2 deck minimum. The Red Thread stretch goal looks very nice though, and if you could mix and match at that point I might be tempted and then try to recoup a bit of money by reselling the extra deck...

Cool concept, but this is just way out of my price range. The deck might as well be made out of diamond, it wouldn't make any difference to me