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I still haven't gotten used to the title when we have The Gentleman Wake, but curious to see more about this deck.

Lel... so I'm not the only one. The power of branding, haha.

TGW vs TGT

there will be a test later
TWI is releasing TGT this year
and TGW is releasing the TGW deck.

and the art style for both will be a little similar.

[ Kickstarter Notification Link]

Kickstarter is in June.

Looking at the most recent promo, and as usual, Gio has the story aspect completely nailed down. I love it. These decks are gonna get played at my table, yessiree.

There is also The Gentlaman Bastards, a series of books by Scott Lynch about... thieves.

Launch date - 12th June 2024!

Subcribe the prelaunch here ! > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/th ... ying-cards

Here are some cool pics I just got from @chambertincards (I am really happy with these!)

I hope to see you there!

The box prices are special.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:08 pm The box prices are special.

eh its a $22 or $24 average per deck hardly unreasonable.

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:20 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:08 pm The box prices are special.

eh its a $22 or $24 average per deck hardly unreasonable.

Considering the prices those decks sell for normally, that's a damn good deal. Especially is someone doesn't already have those decks.

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:20 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:08 pm The box prices are special.

eh its a $22 or $24 average per deck hardly unreasonable.

22 is kind of within reason for the more expensive decks in the monsterbox but not for the standards that sell for 16€ ... so take the extra dollars from those and add to the others and now it's close to 30$ usd for the "rare" ones. It's all good if people think it's a great deal and partake, I only speak for myself and a few others who share the same sentiment. My dollars will go to Jocu's brick instead. The decks work out to maybe 12$ usd each. That is what can be considered a good deal. You can't price a deck at 1000$ on your website but sell it for 500$ and call it a good deal. Jocu decks for 12$... the gilded decks with wjpc and boschiero tucks from jocu are nearly half the price of the thief decks with similar specs. I think the gilded thief deck has foil on faces or backs or both but does that raise the price of the deck by 10$ usd? Octofly also has to be paid from the campaign.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:03 pm 22 is kind of within reason for the more expensive decks in the monsterbox but not for the standards that sell for 16€ ... so take the extra dollars from those and add to the others and now it's close to 30$ usd for the "rare" ones. It's all good if people think it's a great deal and partake, I only speak for myself and a few others who share the same sentiment. My dollars will go to Jocu's brick instead. The decks work out to maybe 12$ usd each. That is what can be considered a good deal. You can't price a deck at 1000$ on your website but sell it for 500$ and call it a good deal. Jocu decks for 12$... the gilded decks with wjpc and boschiero tucks from jocu are nearly half the price of the thief decks with similar specs. I think the gilded thief deck has foil on faces or backs or both but does that raise the price of the deck by 10$ usd? Octofly also has to be paid from the campaign.

apples and oranges, the base 2 TGT decks are USPCC decks, no foil (metallic ink yes) and 2000 print run each, print it, ship it to Texas...done.

The "secretus rex" deck is being printed by WJPC, yes it has foil on the backs and fronts and then has to be sent to the US for distribution. (and he JUST had a bunch of decks damaged doing that). and the print run is 1000.

Are the WJPC decks $40-$50 to produce as their price suggests? almost certainly not but yeah I would believe a lot more than $10 each more.

To me in the end a duplicate deck is worth $0 so I don't buy boxes.

The Jocu/octofly decks are not foiled or metallic ink, just gilding a portion of the larger run its a very simple campaign and thats fine, but that campaign shouldn't be used a proof that other campaigns are overpriced.

And would you look at that! when you buy the gilded Jocu/octofly decks separately they're $22 each. $32.50 when you factor that I had to buy a third deck I don't really have a use for to even get them.

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:58 pm apples and oranges, the base 2 TGT decks are USPCC decks, no foil (metallic ink yes) and 2000 print run each, print it, ship it to Texas...done.

The "secretus rex" deck is being printed by WJPC, yes it has foil on the backs and fronts and then has to be sent to the US for distribution. (and he JUST had a bunch of decks damaged doing that). and the print run is 1000.

Are the WJPC decks $40-$50 to produce as their price suggests? almost certainly not but yeah I would believe a lot more than $10 each more.

To me in the end a duplicate deck is worth $0 so I don't buy boxes.

The Jocu/octofly decks are not foiled or metallic ink, just gilding a portion of the larger run its a very simple campaign and thats fine, but that campaign shouldn't be used a proof that other campaigns are overpriced.

And would you look at that! when you buy the gilded Jocu/octofly decks separately they're $22 each. $32.50 when you factor that I had to buy a third deck I don't really have a use for to even get them.

I'm comparing the "deals" when buying bricks. I'm not sold on your explanations of why I would pay so much for wjpc decks or even uspcc decks. It's all yours buddy, have at er.

There's something else you're paying for, as well, when you buy a deck of cards. The art, and the artist(s) behind it. If you consider the artwork by the two producers to be equivalent, well, that controls for one variable. If you find Jocu's to be superior, then you're clearly getting a better deal with Jocu. If you find Gio's superior, then the scales tip back in the other direction.

I *do* have qualms about backing for a "box" tier when the mystery decks turn out to just be the overruns of the previous decks but in a different tuck.

But that aside, when I prefer an artist, I'll pay a premium, and when I don't value the artist as being worth the premium, I pass. I love that Paul Carpenter, for example, is successfully staying in the game and charging a very high premium for his work. And I like his stuff. But, when he first starting going the subscription/patreon route, I decided that the price was too rich for my blood. YMMV with regard to any of these artists.

Whichever artists I do enjoy, I want them to make enough of a profit to stay in the biz. If they happen to charge at a price point I'm willing/able to pay, so much the better. But if they charge more than I can/will pay, I may be sad, but I won't be upset with them for testing what the market will bear.

but I won't be upset with them for testing what the market will bear.

I like your post rouselle however I would make it a rhyme
"but it should be reasonably fair"

PS: At present our supermarkets are testing what the market will bear (food Inflation seems to be out of control in Oz)

Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:37 am Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

Dude, what?? The profit margins for custom playing cards are incredibly thin. Very very very few are making any money off this. The great majority do it as a side project and have a full time job also. TGW charges high prices for a number of his decks and still barely makes a profit. I think he's said he's barely above breaking even for Beetlebacks for example. There's like 5 guys in the entire custom cards industry who are making enough to support themselves with their card brand alone.

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:58 am

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:37 am Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

Dude, what?? The profit margins for custom playing cards are incredibly thin. Very very very few are making any money off this. The great majority do it as a side project and have a full time job also. TGW charges high prices for a number of his decks and still barely makes a profit. I think he's said he's barely above breaking even for Beetlebacks for example. There's like 5 guys in the entire custom cards industry who are making enough to support themselves with their card brand alone.

Huh? Some margins are thin and some are not. If you believe tgw is barely breaking even on big campaigns that sell 60$ or 85$ decks then that's your perogative. It's not like people selling stuff would fudge the lines a bit to sell more stuff, would they? Hey aren't you the guy that packs decks for kwp along side Cramer?

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:19 pm

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:58 am

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:37 am Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

Dude, what?? The profit margins for custom playing cards are incredibly thin. Very very very few are making any money off this. The great majority do it as a side project and have a full time job also. TGW charges high prices for a number of his decks and still barely makes a profit. I think he's said he's barely above breaking even for Beetlebacks for example. There's like 5 guys in the entire custom cards industry who are making enough to support themselves with their card brand alone.

Huh? Some margins are thin and some are not. If you believe tgw is barely breaking even on big campaigns that sell 60$ or 85$ decks then that's your perogative. It's not like people selling stuff would fudge the lines a bit to sell more stuff, would they? Hey aren't you the guy that packs decks for kwp along side Cramer?

Oh really? Wow... here I've been operating under the belief that I was barely scraping by! THANKS! On my way to the ferrari dealership...

In all reality, The Beetlebacks has only been marginally profitable and MOST Of those profits have been used up in the preparation for The Grave Witness and paying back the production costs of Goldsmith (which at the time of ordering has not raised enough to pay for itself). $100k raised...even if I didn't have to pay for production, fulfillment, stripe and kickstarter percentages, backerkit fees, design compensation and recoup pre-campaign costs it's not like 100k is enough to really live the 'good life'. People have a very skewed perspective of being a business owner.

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:39 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:19 pm

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:58 am

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:37 am Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

Dude, what?? The profit margins for custom playing cards are incredibly thin. Very very very few are making any money off this. The great majority do it as a side project and have a full time job also. TGW charges high prices for a number of his decks and still barely makes a profit. I think he's said he's barely above breaking even for Beetlebacks for example. There's like 5 guys in the entire custom cards industry who are making enough to support themselves with their card brand alone.

Huh? Some margins are thin and some are not. If you believe tgw is barely breaking even on big campaigns that sell 60$ or 85$ decks then that's your perogative. It's not like people selling stuff would fudge the lines a bit to sell more stuff, would they? Hey aren't you the guy that packs decks for kwp along side Cramer?

Oh really? Wow... here I've been operating under the belief that I was barely scraping by! THANKS! On my way to the ferrari dealership...

In all reality, The Beetlebacks has only been marginally profitable and MOST Of those profits have been used up in the preparation for The Grave Witness and paying back the production costs of Goldsmith (which at the time of ordering has not raised enough to pay for itself). $100k raised...even if I didn't have to pay for production, fulfillment, stripe and kickstarter percentages, backerkit fees, design compensation and recoup pre-campaign costs it's not like 100k is enough to really live the 'good life'. People have a very skewed perspective of being a business owner.

That is awesome if you can buy a Ferrari and if not, that is OK too.

Is JazzBaloo a bot? Reads like AI

Honeybee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:48 pm Is JazzBaloo a bot? Reads like AI

English, everyone's first language, is not.

Of course I realize this Tim, there is/was just something about the syntax. Sorry

Honeybee wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:52 pm Of course I realize this Tim, there is/was just something about the syntax. Sorry

No need to apologise; I was making a joke more than anything.

I should have realized it was a joke as an Englishman would insist that everyone should be striving to master English

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:19 pm

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:58 am

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:37 am Some can stay in business for far less. It's pretty simple for me to understand that some need more and some need less. Some are excessive and some are not. If he needs a lot then so be it, others can give and be happy to contribute so much. I do not want to rain on your expensive parade. All can choose their own happiness.

Dude, what?? The profit margins for custom playing cards are incredibly thin. Very very very few are making any money off this. The great majority do it as a side project and have a full time job also. TGW charges high prices for a number of his decks and still barely makes a profit. I think he's said he's barely above breaking even for Beetlebacks for example. There's like 5 guys in the entire custom cards industry who are making enough to support themselves with their card brand alone.

Huh? Some margins are thin and some are not. If you believe tgw is barely breaking even on big campaigns that sell 60$ or 85$ decks then that's your perogative. It's not like people selling stuff would fudge the lines a bit to sell more stuff, would they? Hey aren't you the guy that packs decks for kwp along side Cramer?

Except in this case it's not "belief" it's that the person themselves has said they are barely scraping by. The price of a single version of a deck does not equate to whether a campaign is profitable or not and it has been demonstrated many many times that playing cards are a very hard way to make any sort of profit.

Strag wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:59 am Except in this case it's not "belief" it's that the person themselves has said they are barely scraping by. The price of a single version of a deck does not equate to whether a campaign is profitable or not and it has been demonstrated many many times that playing cards are a very hard way to make any sort of profit.

Of course there is little to no profit. They do it for fun.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:42 am

Strag wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:59 am Except in this case it's not "belief" it's that the person themselves has said they are barely scraping by. The price of a single version of a deck does not equate to whether a campaign is profitable or not and it has been demonstrated many many times that playing cards are a very hard way to make any sort of profit.

Of course there is little to no profit. They do it for fun.

So are you just trolling now?