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BaconWise wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:00 pm Fun concept and I always vote for custom everything.

I think this could be a good project, though I wonder how the mystery aspect would play out for a first time creator. You may find people hesitant to back because collectors want to know what they are getting. Perhaps you have all versions available, then do a mystery extra card, or the gilded/holo deck is an extra deck only a few backers receive at random.

Just a suggestion - the mystery idea may work out just fine. Keep in mind if the artwork is the same for all versions, some people will want to pick and choose the color they like the best and may not want to risk getting the color they don't prefer.

Good luck with this!

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:07 pm I have a sealed box sitting on my table, inside the box is, or isn’t, a prototype Schrödinger’s cat deck - as long as I don’t look…

I wonder if eBay will allow me to list it…

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:07 pm I have a sealed box sitting on my table, inside the box is, or isn’t, a prototype Schrödinger’s cat deck - as long as I don’t look…

I wonder if eBay will allow me to list it…

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:07 pm I have a sealed box sitting on my table, inside the box is, or isn’t, a prototype Schrödinger’s cat deck - as long as I don’t look…

I wonder if eBay will allow me to list it…

Revelation Workshop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:56 am just love the design.
i think it'll be better if you do it with 3 normal edition and a blind box edition with some special cards, e.g like giled/holo/foil

Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:47 am Theme and idea are fun, I like that.
Since nobody mentioned it prior, I guess I'm in the minority when saying I don't like the courts to be split twice - horizontally and vertically. I guess you wanted to avoid doing the already often done two different halfs courts?
Back design is great. The symbols are just fantasy? Or is there a message behind them?
If you decide you do alive and dead edition then I would definitely go with a non-bones cat for the alive edition. That way you have two destinct backs besides only the colour.
The court card with the cat holding the flower amd the back design look better/more polished than the other two courts to my eyes.

rousselle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:02 am (NOTE: I've cross-posted this response on the Matsuri relaunch thread, as well)

I've approved this new post from babasam007 for publication, but I have to make an observation and ask some obvious questions about it.

I notice that this account is logging in and posting from the same IP address as the following accounts:

TorresOVER -- the account that has been running the design of the Schrodinger's Cat deck through the drafting board.
thekeycardcompany -- the account of the "new" company that is running the relaunched version of the Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter, with no apparent track record of running KS campaigns.
Revelation Workshop -- the account of the original company that ran the previous Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter. The only KS project launched by Revelation Workshop that funded (https://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10319, albeit they were using the name eveworkshop at the time here at UC) appears to either have never shipped, or at the very least, nobody ever commented that they received their decks on KS but several backers commented that they did not receive anything. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/61 ... u/comments). Revelation Workshop appeared to have stopped posting, or even logging onto KS, sometime around December of 2018 until a couple weeks ago, when they posted on the original Matsuri campaign page to say that it would be relaunching soon. They did not, however, post anything on the Element Playing Card page to address the concerns of backers who never received their decks.
NeonCardHK -- an account of the company/person who ran the Neon Playing Cards project on Kickstarter that never shipped, but posted on another thread here that this was because of bad-faith dealing by Bocopo (which, to be fair, is a plausible explanation), and that they plan to fulfill the project soon. This account has also posted on the Schrodinger's Cat page to say, "This looks good."
Christian W.L. -- another account that is simply posting to say "this looks good" on the relaunched Matsuri project thread and the Schrodinger's Cat thread.

It is very unusual for multiple accounts to post from the same IP address, even when they are all posting from the same city.

If one looks at the IP addresses (click the "i" button in the upper right-hand corner of any given post) on the thread for the Element deck (link above), you'll notice that posts saying "backed" are from the same IP address as the "eveworkshop" account that originally posted as the manager of the campaign. ("eveworkshop" appears to have given way to "Revelation Workshop" on Kickstarter, if you look at the "project creator" of the project.) The original website for the Element Playing Cards has long been abandoned.

I really like the design of the Matsuri deck and the Schrodinger's Cat deck, which are both clever and well executed, but I am concerned that there may be some business practices here that raise a lot of serious questions about the viability of these projects.

My questions include:

1) Has any reputable UC member backed the aforementioned Element Playing Card project and received their decks? Bonus points if they don't live in Hong Kong.
2) Has NeonCardHK fulfilled their project yet to anyone on the UC?
3) Key Card Company: what is your relationship with NeonCardHK, Revelation Workshop, and eveworkshop?

Once the Neon project is fulfilled and the Element project is fulfilled, I'll feel more comfortable with the Matsuri and Schrodinger's Cat projects. Until those are fulfilled, I'd prefer to wait until these appear at our favorite retailers of custom decks.

rousselle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:02 am (NOTE: I've cross-posted this response on the Matsuri relaunch thread, as well)

I've approved this new post from babasam007 for publication, but I have to make an observation and ask some obvious questions about it.

I notice that this account is logging in and posting from the same IP address as the following accounts:

TorresOVER -- the account that has been running the design of the Schrodinger's Cat deck through the drafting board.
thekeycardcompany -- the account of the "new" company that is running the relaunched version of the Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter, with no apparent track record of running KS campaigns.
Revelation Workshop -- the account of the original company that ran the previous Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter. The only KS project launched by Revelation Workshop that funded (https://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10319, albeit they were using the name eveworkshop at the time here at UC) appears to either have never shipped, or at the very least, nobody ever commented that they received their decks on KS but several backers commented that they did not receive anything. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/61 ... u/comments). Revelation Workshop appeared to have stopped posting, or even logging onto KS, sometime around December of 2018 until a couple weeks ago, when they posted on the original Matsuri campaign page to say that it would be relaunching soon. They did not, however, post anything on the Element Playing Card page to address the concerns of backers who never received their decks.
NeonCardHK -- an account of the company/person who ran the Neon Playing Cards project on Kickstarter that never shipped, but posted on another thread here that this was because of bad-faith dealing by Bocopo (which, to be fair, is a plausible explanation), and that they plan to fulfill the project soon. This account has also posted on the Schrodinger's Cat page to say, "This looks good."
Christian W.L. -- another account that is simply posting to say "this looks good" on the relaunched Matsuri project thread and the Schrodinger's Cat thread.

It is very unusual for multiple accounts to post from the same IP address, even when they are all posting from the same city.

If one looks at the IP addresses (click the "i" button in the upper right-hand corner of any given post) on the thread for the Element deck (link above), you'll notice that posts saying "backed" are from the same IP address as the "eveworkshop" account that originally posted as the manager of the campaign. ("eveworkshop" appears to have given way to "Revelation Workshop" on Kickstarter, if you look at the "project creator" of the project.) The original website for the Element Playing Cards has long been abandoned.

I really like the design of the Matsuri deck and the Schrodinger's Cat deck, which are both clever and well executed, but I am concerned that there may be some business practices here that raise a lot of serious questions about the viability of these projects.

My questions include:

1) Has any reputable UC member backed the aforementioned Element Playing Card project and received their decks? Bonus points if they don't live in Hong Kong.
2) Has NeonCardHK fulfilled their project yet to anyone on the UC?
3) Key Card Company: what is your relationship with NeonCardHK, Revelation Workshop, and eveworkshop?

Once the Neon project is fulfilled and the Element project is fulfilled, I'll feel more comfortable with the Matsuri and Schrodinger's Cat projects. Until those are fulfilled, I'd prefer to wait until these appear at our favorite retailers of custom decks.

rousselle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:02 am (NOTE: I've cross-posted this response on the Matsuri relaunch thread, as well)

I've approved this new post from babasam007 for publication, but I have to make an observation and ask some obvious questions about it.

I notice that this account is logging in and posting from the same IP address as the following accounts:

TorresOVER -- the account that has been running the design of the Schrodinger's Cat deck through the drafting board.
thekeycardcompany -- the account of the "new" company that is running the relaunched version of the Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter, with no apparent track record of running KS campaigns.
Revelation Workshop -- the account of the original company that ran the previous Matsuri Playing Cards project on Kickstarter. The only KS project launched by Revelation Workshop that funded (https://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10319, albeit they were using the name eveworkshop at the time here at UC) appears to either have never shipped, or at the very least, nobody ever commented that they received their decks on KS but several backers commented that they did not receive anything. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/61 ... u/comments). Revelation Workshop appeared to have stopped posting, or even logging onto KS, sometime around December of 2018 until a couple weeks ago, when they posted on the original Matsuri campaign page to say that it would be relaunching soon. They did not, however, post anything on the Element Playing Card page to address the concerns of backers who never received their decks.
NeonCardHK -- an account of the company/person who ran the Neon Playing Cards project on Kickstarter that never shipped, but posted on another thread here that this was because of bad-faith dealing by Bocopo (which, to be fair, is a plausible explanation), and that they plan to fulfill the project soon. This account has also posted on the Schrodinger's Cat page to say, "This looks good."
Christian W.L. -- another account that is simply posting to say "this looks good" on the relaunched Matsuri project thread and the Schrodinger's Cat thread.

It is very unusual for multiple accounts to post from the same IP address, even when they are all posting from the same city.

If one looks at the IP addresses (click the "i" button in the upper right-hand corner of any given post) on the thread for the Element deck (link above), you'll notice that posts saying "backed" are from the same IP address as the "eveworkshop" account that originally posted as the manager of the campaign. ("eveworkshop" appears to have given way to "Revelation Workshop" on Kickstarter, if you look at the "project creator" of the project.) The original website for the Element Playing Cards has long been abandoned.

I really like the design of the Matsuri deck and the Schrodinger's Cat deck, which are both clever and well executed, but I am concerned that there may be some business practices here that raise a lot of serious questions about the viability of these projects.

My questions include:

1) Has any reputable UC member backed the aforementioned Element Playing Card project and received their decks? Bonus points if they don't live in Hong Kong.
2) Has NeonCardHK fulfilled their project yet to anyone on the UC?
3) Key Card Company: what is your relationship with NeonCardHK, Revelation Workshop, and eveworkshop?

Once the Neon project is fulfilled and the Element project is fulfilled, I'll feel more comfortable with the Matsuri and Schrodinger's Cat projects. Until those are fulfilled, I'd prefer to wait until these appear at our favorite retailers of custom decks.

rousselle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:59 pm Cross-posted on the Matsuri thread:

Hi, all. I'm checking in during my work day, so I don't have time to write a long, thoughtful response at the moment, but the posts above deserve a quick follow-up:

First, thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies. You are addressing the concerns I brought up, and I find these responses absolutely plausible. For those who are curious, TorresOVER sent me a photo of a shared office front -- the kind of which I've used here in the US when I've worked at a small start-up, so I know how that goes. The idea that several people who use the same shared office space would occasionally be posting from the same IP address certainly makes sense, and the idea that several people who share a common interest would team up to split office expenses at a location that is set up for just that purpose also makes sense. (That said, the Revelation Workshop account has posted from the same IP address, for whatever that is worth.)

Please note, I have been very careful not to accuse anybody of nefarious intentions, but rather I am highlighting observations that give me pause. This is what we do here at the UC: we all have a common interest, and that is adding new decks that interest us to our collections of playing cards. At the same time, when something comes up where we notice a possible threat to our collection or to our wallets that help us grow that collection, we share that info, too.

As I noted above, I like the design of both the Matsuri cards and the Schrodinger's Cat work-in-progress, and I most definitely want to see them produced. At the same time, I observed some cause for concern, and wanted to have that concern addressed. The conversation above (and which I'm sure will continue) is helping toward that end.

As for why would anyone put all that effort into designing a deck and then not produce it; yeah, I don't know, but it has happened. Seems like a lot of work for a little payoff. The Element Playing Cards project is one of those where the question remains: what happened? How far did the project get?

Torres, did you back that project? Did you receive your cards?

Anyway, I need to get back to work, but I'm intrigued by the idea TorresOVER posts at the end of the note above: the idea of having a group Facetime / Skype. This idea really intrigues me, not merely as a means of establishing that you're different people, but as an opportunity for the great card collecting community to get to know all of you and share your passion for your designs and talk about possible ways of drumming up support and improving the odds of success (not just for the funding, but for the fulfillment, as well.) Jackson Robinson has had such events on Instagram back in the day (in the form of big Q & A sessions), and they were both fun and engaging.

Thank you for engaging with the community here and for taking my post as an opportunity to engage further.