New Chicken Nuggets - KS Live

[badpete69]

Looks like more nuggets coming our way from Hanson Chien

[Harvonsgard]

I like the Arcco’s Jerry’s Nuggets. I like stock experiments. Therefore, I might pick these up.

[Decknowledgy]

I'm fully in for these instead of the reprint JN 2019 by Expert. At least Hanson-Chien did a better job in digging further into the archives to parody a certain JN design that wasn't hyped up like the ones the whole community got to know. And, the faces are also still using HC's Chicken Nugget courts.

Photos of the original Jerry's of this design:


From their promo survey link: https://crowd-funding.typeform.com/to/YaxCN9

Hi, I am Hanson Chien.
Years ago, I acquired this rare deck, and I contacted Lee Asher, the Jerry's Nugget expert, for verification.
After detailed research, we confirmed it's an authentic deck, and Lee published it on Card Culture magazine in 2018!
NOW, Hason Chien Production Co. is remastering the deck as the "New Vintage Chicken Nugget"!

[jerichoholic]

I would love to know why Expert didn’t capitalize on these ones instead.

[Harvonsgard]

I would love to know why Expert didn’t capitalize on these ones instead.

Because the USPC JN are hyped and people go nuts for them. Therefore, it is way easier to cash in on the USPC JN hype.
A lot of people, even in the collector’s scene don’t even know about the Arcco Jerry’s. So if Expert would have come up with these as reprints people, especially younger hype kids, would just be like: “???“.

[Decknowledgy]

"New Vintage Chicken Nugget Playing Cards" will be launching tomorrow (October 8th) at 9:00 EST.

[shermjack]

Can’t Hanson do anything original? He announces these right after the new EPCC Jerry Nuggets were teased and launched and now he even copies their preview box.

[STLBluesNut]

At least copy something worth copying.

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[Harvonsgard]

To his defense; the preview boxes are made in the exact same factory, and they are pretty standard. Like the stuff you order for your company with your companie's logo on them as tiny presents for customers. So it is not like EPCC has put any effort into the preview boxes before.

[shermjack]

To his defense; the preview boxes are made in the exact same factory, and they are pretty standard. Like the stuff you order for your company with your companie's logo on them as tiny presents for customers. So it is not like EPCC has put any effort into the preview boxes before.

How can you be sure that they are made in the exact same factory? I work with a number of factories that can make the same box and regardless if EPCC didn't put much effort into, Hanson obviously put even less by choosing the same exact thing up to the gold foil logo and the way its laid out when there are dozens, if not hundreds, of options to choose from...nah, I definitely believe that his choices were intentional.

[Harvonsgard]

How can you be sure that they are made in the exact same factory? I work with a number of factories that can make the same box and regardless if EPCC didn't put much effort into, Hanson obviously put even less by choosing the same exact thing up to the gold foil logo and the way its laid out when there are dozens, if not hundreds, of options to choose from...nah, I definitely believe that his choices were intentional.

100% certain only by asking Bill and Hanson, but since they look identical and it is know that a lot of stuff regarding EPCC/LPCC/TWPCC and Hansonchienproductions is made in the same factory in Taiwan it isn't an uneducated guess I might add.
My comment wasn't a disagreement to your post per se, I agree with it in the most part. I just believe we think differently about originality.
I don't own any Hansonchien deck for several reasons but I almost always smile when I see with what an idea he comes up next. I credit him a lot of personality and that is for me a part of originlity. He is a unique caracter in the playing card community and that is original for me personally.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, just added my 2 cents .

[Decknowledgy]

It's live @@

[Bikefanatic]

I'm fine with just my red one.

[STLBluesNut]

Hope that all the chicken nugget fans enjoy nearly half of the rear tuck "design" is covered by a big ol' sticker.

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[Decknowledgy]

My verdict is the Chicken Nuggets doesn't deserve that much criticism when they have their own custom courts and using a back design that's long discontinued and unwanted by Jerry's themselves. When looking at Gemini Casino and all the random casino decks that come out on the market, 90% of the time it's standard courts and imitations of JN. Heck, even the aces and jokers of Cherry's are imitating that style.

On the other hand, speaking of authenticity, the real cash grabber is the reprinting of the original Jerry's. Of course EPCC has obtained the license to reproduce the deck while using a modern stock and finish, but that's definitively same as what other casino mock decks are doing: feeding off the fame of the JN. While the JN 2019 is a complete copy of the original, I see no originality in the art and craft, just a combination of the same design slapped onto a modern printing scheme. And that's not even mentioning the potential color changes in the future that EPCC has teased to release. I don't see how this is more authentic in comparison to the Chicken Nuggets and all the casino decks that draw inspiration from JN.

Chicken Nugget justifies itself as a parody deck, and that's somewhat different than copying and ripping off IMO. And to be honest, if it wasn't for this campaign, no one would've known that Jerry's had this design back in the 60s predating the current popular one.

A reprint of Mona Lisa sold in the gift shop of Louvre Museum of Paris, versus a parodied Mona Lisa that plays with elements of the original? I'd choose the latter.

[Harvonsgard]

Hope that all the chicken nugget fans enjoy nearly half of the rear tuck "design" is covered by a big ol' sticker.

Blues on his crusade against sealed tuck boxes again . I'm actually quite a sucker for nice designed seals (the real ones that actually seal something). I mean a vintage deck without a sealed flap would be kind of incomplete, imo. But each their own of course.

My verdict is the Chicken Nuggets doesn't deserve that much criticism when they have their own custom courts and using a back design that's long discontinued and unwanted by Jerry's themselves. When looking at Gemini Casino and all the random casino decks that come out on the market, 90% of the time it's standard courts and imitations of JN. Heck, even the aces and jokers of Cherry's are imitating that style.

On the other hand, speaking of authenticity, the real cash grabber is the reprinting of the original Jerry's. Of course EPCC has obtained the license to reproduce the deck while using a modern stock and finish, but that's definitively same as what other casino mock decks are doing: feeding off the fame of the JN. While the JN 2019 is a complete copy of the original, I see no originality in the art and craft, just a combination of the same design slapped onto a modern printing scheme. And that's not even mentioning the potential color changes in the future that EPCC has teased to release. I don't see how this is more authentic in comparison to the Chicken Nuggets and all the casino decks that draw inspiration from JN.

Chicken Nugget justifies itself as a parody deck, and that's somewhat different than copying and ripping off IMO.

Frank Shepard Fairey and I agree

[STLBluesNut]

Lol. I guess it is kind of a crusade. A losing one at that. Oddly, I understand that it is in place for a tradition that many more love than hate and can be another great piece of the design. I know they won't go away but they still irk me in a way that I don't fully understand.

If I can save just one innocent tuck box from being covered up by the oppression of tuck seals... [emoji39]

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[MagikFingerz]

I don't mind seals, but I don't understand the need for these huge ones either. They really do cover up a lot of the tuck in a bad way, regardless of their own design aesthetic.

[shermjack]

My verdict is the Chicken Nuggets doesn't deserve that much criticism when they have their own custom courts and using a back design that's long discontinued and unwanted by Jerry's themselves. When looking at Gemini Casino and all the random casino decks that come out on the market, 90% of the time it's standard courts and imitations of JN. Heck, even the aces and jokers of Cherry's are imitating that style.

On the other hand, speaking of authenticity, the real cash grabber is the reprinting of the original Jerry's. Of course EPCC has obtained the license to reproduce the deck while using a modern stock and finish, but that's definitively same as what other casino mock decks are doing: feeding off the fame of the JN. While the JN 2019 is a complete copy of the original, I see no originality in the art and craft, just a combination of the same design slapped onto a modern printing scheme. And that's not even mentioning the potential color changes in the future that EPCC has teased to release. I don't see how this is more authentic in comparison to the Chicken Nuggets and all the casino decks that draw inspiration from JN.

Chicken Nugget justifies itself as a parody deck, and that's somewhat different than copying and ripping off IMO. And to be honest, if it wasn't for this campaign, no one would've known that Jerry's had this design back in the 60s predating the current popular one.

A reprint of Mona Lisa sold in the gift shop of Louvre Museum of Paris, versus a parodied Mona Lisa that plays with elements of the original? I'd choose the latter.

Though I agree that the Chicken Nuggets deserve credit for their originality (about the only original thing I think Hanson has come up with) when they first came out, I just see this campaign as a cash grab, latching onto the coattails of another campaign. Though other modern casino decks copy the style and aesthetics of the 70s casino decks, no other deck blantantly copies a casino deck like Chicken Nuggets.

Also, just because the design of the old JNuggs has been discontinued, how can you say that Jerry’s doesn’t want it? I think that would be absurd for them to not want something so iconic and representative of their casino and brand and I’d venture to guess that they would have sued Hanson if he were in the US when he made the original Chicken Nuggets, but alas he is in Taiwan and can get away with it. As for the new deck bringing out an old design most were not aware of, so what, it’s no more riveting that the 70’s design and for all I care, it could have stayed hidden.

On the other hand, I can’t see how you can say that EPCC is not authentic when they obtained the license from Jerry Nuggets after years of trying and getting turned down...how is that not authentic? They wanted to reproduce a design that was greatly desired by a lot of collectors and cardists and tried to make it available for the masses as well as try to duplicate the same feel as the originals...whether they succeeded or not needs to be seen. Still authentic as long as Jerry Nuggets is behind them.

Anyways, we just seem to disagree on this and that’s fine, just thought I would express my thoughts.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I don't mind seals, but I don't understand the need for these huge ones either. They really do cover up a lot of the tuck in a bad way, regardless of their own design aesthetic.

Federal 52 and Michael Scott's restoration decks are the only ones I can think of where the large seals work.

[Decknowledgy]

Though I agree that the Chicken Nuggets deserve credit for their originality (about the only original thing I think Hanson has come up with) when they first came out, I just see this campaign as a cash grab, latching onto the coattails of another campaign. Though other modern casino decks copy the style and aesthetics of the 70s casino decks, no other deck blantantly copies a casino deck like Chicken Nuggets.

If it's the style, timing, and the marketing scheme (prototype cases that are exact duplicates of the JN cases) this campaign has with JN 2019's Kickstarter, I totally agree with you. But to say that Chicken Nuggets is the only one? What about the whole Gemini Casino series? Unless you mean that the oil rig design with just the swapped "Chicken" for "Jerry's". As I've said, parody needs similarity. Without the similarity, parody cannot exist. Also, parody puts a twist on the original meaning which in this case, twists "Jerry's Nuggets" (literal gold nuggets) into "Chicken Nuggets" (fast food edible nuggets). The wordplay is the core of that parody, and that's original.

Also, just because the design of the old JNuggs has been discontinued, how can you say that Jerry’s doesn’t want it? I think that would be absurd for them to not want something so iconic and representative of their casino and brand and I’d venture to guess that they would have sued Hanson if he were in the US when he made the original Chicken Nuggets, but alas he is in Taiwan and can get away with it. As for the new deck bringing out an old design most were not aware of, so what, it’s no more riveting that the 70’s design and for all I care, it could have stayed hidden.

On the other hand, I can’t see how you can say that EPCC is not authentic when they obtained the license from Jerry Nuggets after years of trying and getting turned down...how is that not authentic? They wanted to reproduce a design that was greatly desired by a lot of collectors and cardists and tried to make it available for the masses as well as try to duplicate the same feel as the originals...whether they succeeded or not needs to be seen. Still authentic as long as Jerry Nuggets is behind them.

Anyways, we just seem to disagree on this and that’s fine, just thought I would express my thoughts.

But the fact is that Jerry's had been reluctant to sue them and had been reluctant to want to produce the JN decks on their own, right? I'm not saying that EPCC obtaining the right is not authentic, but on the side of Jerry's, the fact that historically the JN that we know of was cheaply bought out by a magician in the past speaks of sth: that Jerry's never cared or knew that the deck would blow up. Eventually, it was Lee Asher that made the deck famous. I quote this from the JN 2019 KS page:

"In 1970, Jerry's Nugget Casino printed what would become one of the most collectible playing card decks ever manufactured by United States Playing Card Company (USPCC). They made them for the tables but opted not to use them and put them in storage for 20 years! Almost thirty years ago they started selling them in their gift store with the final price of $2 a deck!

Playing card expert, Lee Asher, recognized the unique quality and feel of these cards and began evangelizing about them. In due course, Jerry's Nugget playing cards became legendary.
//
This prompted Asher to suggest Expert Playing Card Company try and get the exclusive license to print these iconic decks again. And after more than three years of pursuit and negotiation, we finally made a deal with Jerry's Nugget Casino!"

The way I read it is Jerry's had never tried to even be active in this card printing business, so to say that the design is so valued and protected by Jerry's is a bit far-fetched for me, but I could be wrong. The thing is that if Jerry's had objections against the Chicken Nuggets, this would've been news for long in the playing card community. And since this statement doesn't exist, I don't think Jerry's would have cared anyways. But I understand where this fear for copying comes from, I just think that Chicken is more parody than copy of the original. It's the marketing scheme that strikes the uncanny similarity.

No worries, Sherm!

[RWPPFFShuffle]

I think the Chicken Nuggets falls under Parody Law, so Jerry's Nuggets would really have no standing for a copyright infringement lawsuit even if they cared enough to bother. I'm in on this one for the 4 pack, curious to see how these compare to the vintage feel JNs. The original Chicken Nugget stock felt way too stiff for me, so going thinner and lighter should be interesting.

[Harvonsgard]

Jerry's Nuggets opted for not using the cards at the table because they were to easy to counterfeit. So it's not like the casino didn't want them, they didn't use them because of security reasons.

... curious to see how these compare to the vintage feel JNs.

This is the main reason I'll pick these up. I'm curious about the new stock they use.

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

so ..... this just came in from KICKSTARTER, but this is about the FIRST Chicken Nuggets campaign not the new one

This is a message from Kickstarter’s Trust and Safety team. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, Legend Reborn: Chicken Nugget Playing Cards, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute.

The law requires that we remove the project from public view until the dispute is resolved (please see our Copyright Policy and Trademark Policy for more info). Because the project already ended successfully, your pledge hasn’t been affected. The creator should still be able to move forward with the project (and send any unfulfilled rewards). If you have any questions, though, you can still message the creator from the project page.

[Harvonsgard]

so ..... this just came in from KICKSTARTER, but this is about the FIRST Chicken Nuggets campaign not the new one

This is a message from Kickstarter’s Trust and Safety team. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, Legend Reborn: Chicken Nugget Playing Cards, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute.

The law requires that we remove the project from public view until the dispute is resolved (please see our Copyright Policy and Trademark Policy for more info). Because the project already ended successfully, your pledge hasn’t been affected. The creator should still be able to move forward with the project (and send any unfulfilled rewards). If you have any questions, though, you can still message the creator from the project page.

So basically the kickstarter team uses Internet Explorer...

[Decknowledgy]

This project is a goner!!!

[Justin O.]

I'm torn between my feelings on this. On one hand, it was stupid of Chien to print the decks without getting a legal 'OK' from Jerry's Nuggets for using their design as the basis for his. On the other hand I don't think that the Chicken Nugget design is really going to harm the Jerry's brand at all, so I don't understand the move to file a dispute, and seemingly so late in the game.

[rousselle]

I expect HC to win the dispute and get this project reinstated. This is very obviously fair play.

I don't think Jerry's is the impetus behind the dispute. I'd like to hear confirmation, but I suspect it's the folks behind the new "officially licensed" project who are pushing for this. I'd really like to know if that's true, and I sincerely hope it isn't.

[shermjack]

I don't know much about IP rights, but both the original Chicken Nugget and the new vintage Chicken Nugget decks are blatantly emulating the Jerry Nugget decks and are using their popularity to get their decks noticed and sold. Whether it falls under parody or not, I am not one to say, but in the first campaign, Hanson even said that they got the exact same color pantone for the original red and blue JN decks. Other than the change in name and the different courts, how can anyone say that this isn't a blatant copy of the original JN in every other way, down to the color and font?

[Justin O.]

I don't think it counts as parody because the Chicken Nuggets deck are not parodying Jerry's Nuggets, they are parodying society. They are just using the Jerry's Nugget image to do that. I think (as someone with only a lay understanding of copyright/parody law/any kind of law) that for it to qualify as parody as a defense against a claim of intellectual property infringement it has to be parodying the thing that is it infringing on the intellectual property of.