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Nothing about this is black...


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vincent1018 wrote:Nothing about this is black...

He should team up with the Red Forest deck creator. Maybe their color blindness evens out.

"Black Roses" is their brand name, not color nor deck name. This deck should rather be called "Hotel Edition"

Decknowledgy wrote:"Black Roses" is their brand name, not color nor deck name. This deck should rather be called "Hotel Edition"

Well, to be honest, a bit inconsistent brand. The last KS installment was called "Red Roses Playing Cards" and it was red indeed.

I agree, everything is pretty random with this brand, except for the always modernized court faces. DS was also selling the rights to put your face on the court cards for 500€… which sold out.

Decknowledgy wrote:DS was also selling the rights to put your face on the court cards for 500€… which sold out.

What. I'm pretty sure you could commission an entire deck of the same level for that much! (37 hours work at a reasonable rate when converted to AUD) He already made a profit before selling a single deck.

I'm not one of the guys, that takes effort and time put into a design for a valid critirea to judge if a design is good or bad. If a design is great, it is great nonetheless if it takes years or split seconds to come up with it. That said, I don't see any greatness here...

Decknowledgy wrote:DS was also selling the rights to put your face on the court cards for 500€… which sold out.

Kudos for cashing in on the narcisistic nature of man though.

Decknowledgy wrote:...except for the always modernized court faces.

I must say I'm a bit tired of DS always emphasizing how long it took him to create these and what "beauties" they are. For example in comparison with Stockholm17, who's designing his new tarot deck and it's always like: "look what I did today" and there's some mindblowing new card design.

masagin303 wrote:

Decknowledgy wrote:...except for the always modernized court faces.

I must say I'm a very tired of anybody always emphasizing how long it took him to create these and what "beauties" they are. For example in comparison with Stockholm17, who's designing his new tarot deck and it's always like: "look what I did today" and there's some mindblowing new card design.

*ftfy

Kind of unfair to compare anybody with Lorenzo though. Most deck creators would suck in comparison to him .

Who doesn't love court cards designed to look like specific people you don't know!?

theCapraAegagrus wrote:Who doesn't love court cards designed to look like specific people you don't know!?

"Fully Custom"


That said the black backed, V1 reprints look pretty sharp, and the Black backed Casino deck, would probably pledge if I could only get one Casino deck. However he says there is a 1000 deck limit, but has no system in place to police going over that limit, from the comments I see
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Justin Barrett
Just curious, with only 1000 being made of this black deck, how can you guarantee anyone of getting it with it just being an addon and being limited?

Daniel Schneider - Creator
Hey Justin, good question. I sold a bit over 600 limited decks in my last campaign and I rely on this experience. I'll make a note so that everybody will get their extra decks.
Yes, I didn't expect that we hit the goal that fast.
That is really crazy and that means that probably more people want to order the stretch goal deck. But if I should come close to 1000 I'll limited it to one deck per person and maybe I also increase the price.
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This is a red flag

Justin O. wrote: Daniel Schneider - Creator
Hey Justin, good question. I sold a bit over 600 limited decks in my last campaign and I rely on this experience. I'll make a note so that everybody will get their extra decks.
Yes, I didn't expect that we hit the goal that fast.
That is really crazy and that means that probably more people want to order the stretch goal deck. But if I should come close to 1000 I'll limited it to one deck per person and maybe I also increase the price.
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This is a red flag

Never missing a chance to cashgrab.
Also, never seen a KS campaign that marks up an add-on option halfway through the pledging stage. So does that mean there will be a threshold where latecomers will be charged more? Or do everyone who's pledged that add-on get an equal amount of price raise with no warning? Either way, it WILL BE CONTROVERSIAL.

HAH! Increasing the price of an add-on deck once close to 1000 of them have been pledged for... I'd love to see that play out.

So we are not talking about the other red flag!?

Do you know what that big "FIRST EDITION" text down the side looks EXACTLY like?

Looks like someone is studying the success of the Orbits and trying to replicate the business plan of a far better deck...

I simply cannot understand why people like these sort of decks. Each to their own, but it seems like 90% marketing...

Fud wrote:Do you know what that big "FIRST EDITION" text down the side looks EXACTLY like?

Looks like someone is studying the success of the Orbits and trying to replicate the business plan of a far better deck...

Ehm... plot twist. Daniel Schneider is the designer behind the Orbit decks (and of course his own brand Black Roses). Therefore clearly Black Roses and Orbit have the same design language.

Fud wrote:I simply cannot understand why people like these sort of decks. Each to their own, but it seems like 90% marketing...

There is nothing to understand. Simple as that. Different strokes for different folks.

Harvonsgard wrote:Kind of unfair to compare anybody with Lorenzo though. Most deck creators would suck in comparison to him .

I know right! But still, this is just ridiculous: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1pZ20riJIQ/

Black Roses V1 x V1 Preprint.

I can‘t tell you anymore how many hours, days and weeks I have spent with the improvements of my own cards.
The simple goal is perfection. And in this case perfection means for me to create faces in the same design like an original court card. That’s why my eyes bleed so often when I see other court card faces in some other decks. I also started at zero and my first courts were terrible but I can proudly say that I always try to improve. Generell in life. I‘m not long satisfied with my achievements when I know that more is possible.

Subconsciously or not - I think you can see this doggedness. That‘s why I can count on your support when I release a new deck. You know it won‘t be crap.

Hated these courts the first time I saw them. Hate them even more now.

Doesn't help one of the queens looks like an ex.

masagin303 wrote:

Black Roses V1 x V1 Preprint.

I can‘t tell you anymore how many hours, days and weeks I have spent with the improvements of my own cards.
The simple goal is perfection. And in this case perfection means for me to create faces in the same design like an original court card. That’s why my eyes bleed so often when I see other court card faces in some other decks. I also started at zero and my first courts were terrible but I can proudly say that I always try to improve. Generell in life. I‘m not long satisfied with my achievements when I know that more is possible.

Subconsciously or not - I think you can see this doggedness. That‘s why I can count on your support when I release a new deck. You know it won‘t be crap.

LOL, I had to read it on the original post to believe it. Short disclaimer, I genuinly believe that this is how Daniel feels, but it is still pretty ridiculous. He is lost in tiny details and totaly forgets to create art and improving (or to be blunt even develop) his style. His Innocence Cards were a promising project and the Orbit decks are okay (as are his own decks, if that is what he wants to put out there) for what they are, but if he really wants to be a card designer and if perfection is his goal, then he should stop wasting his time on this and start to put hours, weeks and even years in real perfection.

Side note, if a statement starts with "I can‘t tell you anymore..." the follow up will be malecow'sexcrements.

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