Vanda Standard? (based on Aladdin dome-back design)

Unread post by **davegk** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:55 pm

Hey guys,

I came across the Aladdin dome-back design recently and I think it's super interesting. I wanted to rework it a little and have been playing with it...I'm considering using it as a back design for what I might call the Vanda Standard deck. Curious what you think...

BaconWise · Unread post by **BaconWise** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:07 pm

Really solid variation on the Aladdins, David. I think the lines are elegant and I especially like the star icon in the middle. The only thing that is a bit off is the stretching vs. contracting of the arrow-snake symbol. I don't think it looks as nice when it's stretched, compared to normal or compressed. It's not a huge issue and I think this is a classy and fantastic look for a flagship standard deck. Thanks for sharing this!

P52 · Unread post by **hsbc** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:52 pm

BaconWise wrote:The only thing that is a bit off is the stretching vs. contracting of the arrow-snake symbol.

Agreed

Unread post by **davegk** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:20 pm

Another version I've been working on...using the symbol from the ace of clubs on the original Vanda deck...

Unread post by **Bradius** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:31 pm

I like the main design, but the images in the objects just doesn't scream Arabic design to me. The third is a bit better. I do like how you scale the design to give the cards perspective.

Harvonsgard · Unread post by **Harvonsgard** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:54 am

Looks like the Aladdin vintage back has a renaissance lately

. I like that.

The second aliteration is really good. I like the depth and the plasticity; although I prefer the shape/dimension of the inner ornament details on the first aliteration and the original. The details on the tiles in the second draft are nice, but not mind-blowing yet, imo. Overall the second design is my favorite. Could be my first Vanda deck; depending on printer/price.

Unread post by **MagikFingerz** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:19 am

The last design is faded towards the middle, but I wonder if this design might lend itself to being faded at the edges and utilising stinger back borders? Just a thought.

Unread post by **davegk** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:29 pm

MagikFingerz wrote:The last design is faded towards the middle, but I wonder if this design might lend itself to being faded at the edges and utilising stinger back borders? Just a thought.

Personally I'm not a fan of the fading to edge look...it reminds me of early web design when people learned how to use basic photoshop features and created a lot of objects with bad looking fades to background colors :p

I'm actually liking the most recent version a lot, especially given the history of that symbol within the Vanda brand. I've added some details on the center area for comparison. And here's an idea for the front of the tuckbox...

BaconWise · Unread post by **BaconWise** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:06 pm

Nice clean look on those, Dave. I think I prefer the second one with the slightly smaller star icon, but they both look great.

Perhaps you could consider streamlining the name "Vanda Standard" to just...Vandard

Unread post by **davegk** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:11 pm

BaconWise wrote:Nice clean look on those, Dave. I think I prefer the second one with the slightly smaller star icon, but they both look great.

Perhaps you could consider streamlining the name "Vanda Standard" to just...Vandard

hehe...perhaps, except that I've also got plans for this:

BaconWise · Unread post by **BaconWise** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:17 pm

Very cool look with the black and white. Now you have Vandard and Vandemium. Make it happen.

Unread post by **MagikFingerz** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:02 pm

I also really like the standard. The premium gets pretty boring in black and white though, based on the name some foil would do it good

Unread post by **davegk** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:06 pm

MagikFingerz wrote:I also really like the standard. The premium gets pretty boring in black and white though, based on the name some foil would do it good

The standard would have standard USPC tucks and be priced very reasonably. The premium would have metallic inks on the cards and an upgraded tuckbox with foil/embossing/etc. It's a little hard to see from this image but the back design for Premium has silver metallic ink decoration that will be much easier to see when printed.

Unread post by **davegk** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:52 am

I've been fleshing this out a bit more...I think I will modify the court cards from the Earth deck since they're essentially a stylized version of the standard courts...and the Supreme edition would be gold paper box with embossed white foil and perhaps the cards could be gold foiled by Cartamundi (I'll have to look into this more)...

Harvonsgard · Unread post by **Harvonsgard** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:44 pm

I would love to see a real standard looking box on these; like the back design at the back of the tuck and the front with a nice branding.

chicken_ql · Unread post by **chicken_ql** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:11 pm

These look good. Especially like that queen court

BaconWise · Unread post by **BaconWise** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:20 pm

I love the work on your court card, Dave. These all look pretty classy and I like the different tiers you have planned.

...and the Supreme edition would be gold paper box with embossed white foil and perhaps the cards could be gold foiled by Cartamundi (I'll have to look into this more)...

I think this would be the best way to differentiate the Supreme deck from the others. Nice work!

Now we have...Vandard...Vandemium...and Vandupreme

Unread post by **davegk** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 pm

The number cards would be standard and I'm using a cleaned up version of standard Bicycle pips (notice the club in particular).

Also, the courts would be colored for premium and supreme decks... plus a red back version to have 2 standard colors

Unread post by **MagikFingerz** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:00 pm

Yeah, that supreme back definitely needs foil. This is really coming together quite nicely!

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Question: what would you expect to pay for this standard deck if it came in a standard USPC tuckbox?

Also: would you prefer to have a standard deck in standard USPC packaging, or pay a few dollars more for a higher quality tuckbox (knowing that either way the Premium version would be available in a higher quality tuck as well)?

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:41 pm

Also, tuckbox mockup...

This would be with red/blue paper and white foil (+ maybe embossing)

wingedpotato · Unread post by **wingedpotato** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:46 pm

Loving everything I'm seeing! Given that your courts are fully custom, I'd probably expect to pay $12 - $13 for the standard, but would be thrilled if it were cheaper. I'd prefer the cheaper tuckbox on the standard, as that isn't an emphasis for me and I'd still have a premium version to own.

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:10 pm

My plan at the moment is to launch with just the blue deck initially and then the red, premium, and supreme would be stretch goals

I'd like to keep the pledge tiers very very simple this time so I'm thinking:

1 [standard] deck - $8 [+ $4 US / $8 INTL]
[EARLY] 6 decks - $42 [ +$12 US / $24 INTL]
[EARLY] 12 decks - $75 [ + $24 US / $32 INTL]
[EARLY] 24 decks - $135 [ + $48 US / $58 INTL]

Add-ons:
Standard - $8 US / $10 INTL
Premium (when unlocked) - $12 US / $15 INTL

If Supreme is unlocked then I'll create special tiers for that (I need to iron out pricing a bit on this still)

BaconWise · Unread post by **BaconWise** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:23 pm

I think the pricing is fantastic and because a lot of folks will likely get multiple decks for everyday use, the pricing gets even better. Not to mention foil on the tuck and potential embossing for a standard deck? Slam dunk, in my opinion.

Unread post by **MagikFingerz** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:47 pm

Agreed on the pricing. For these types of decks, I think effort should be made to keep costs low and make them as affordable as possible.

BaconWise wrote:get multiple decks for everyday use

Because, surely, isn't this the whole point of "standard" decks? No, nothing's going to beat mass-produced Bikes, but if "standards" are priced as high as all other custom decks, then why bother at all?

PS. Not calling you out, Bacon, quoting you was just a good transition into my rhetorical questions.

PPS. Sorry for calling you Shirley.

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:47 pm

BaconWise wrote:I think the pricing is fantastic and because a lot of folks will likely get multiple decks for everyday use, the pricing gets even better. Not to mention foil on the tuck and potential embossing for a standard deck? Slam dunk, in my opinion.

I'm leaning towards going with standard USPC tucks for the standard editions to keep costs lower. So, no embossing on standard decks...but if we can get the premium and supreme editions unlocked then you'll be in business

P52 · Unread post by **hsbc** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:18 pm

davegk wrote:
box-mockup-standard.jpg

I'm not sure about the innermost empty diamonds, I feel like they stick out when they shouldn't EDIT: And to the left and right of them, there's a white gap that shouldn't be there either

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:53 pm

I see what you mean...adjusted it a bit

P52 · Unread post by **hsbc** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:04 pm

Ahhh yes that's the good stuff

I'd also consider changing the R in "premium" to match the R in "standard," at least the top part (I'd reverse the bottom curly part since it's towards the front of the word) - right now it looks sort of like PKEMIUM to me

Unread post by **davegk** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:41 pm

hsbc wrote:Ahhh yes that's the good stuff

I'd also consider changing the R in "premium" to match the R in "standard," at least the top part (I'd reverse the bottom curly part since it's towards the front of the word) - right now it looks sort of like PKEMIUM to me

I was wondering if the 'R' looked a little too strange... :p

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