Military Pin Up Playing cards by Sviatoslav Pashchuk

[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

On Friday, 23 November, we’re launching this project and here is the preview link! Waiting for your comments!



We have some more surprises (not announced yet) and a special pledge for the Black Friday, don’t miss it! It will be available only 1 day, starting 23 November, when the project goes live:

Los Angeles 10am PST
NY 1pm EDT
London 6pm GMT+1

[Räpylätassu]

Not really my thing, but I do hope that you get this funded, although I don't think I will be a backer this time.

I do really like the tuck box.

[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

Not really my thing, but I do hope that you get this funded, although I don't think I will be a backer this time.

I do really like the tuck box.

Hope you'll change your mind as there is one more feature not announced yet!

[vasta41]

As I accidentally pointed out in another thread, a KS project with the exact same theme was already launched by someone else which failed to fund: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/68 ... k-of-cards" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I like this version better but I do have some issues...
I don't like how the girls looked photographed rather than drawn if you know what I mean. I like the cartoon-y feel of the other project. The girls in this project, though scorching hot, look a little weird and too "real life" to me. Also the back seems out of place. A camo back on an military themed deck doesn't sound like a bad thing but it just doesn't seem to go with the flow here. But worst of all is $11 plus shipping for 1 EB deck ($14 for non-EB) printed by NPCC. Just no.
Again, a lot to like here but I can't get over the printer/price.

[STLBluesNut]

For me there is a lot to love about this deck. Pretty much everything, with 2 exceptions.

The card back. I think there could have been something much more creative here than a camo pattern. When one thinks pin ups, or the pin up style, it is a style from decades ago. So even if you went camo on the back, an easy way out in my opinion, I think modern digital camo was not a great choice. I would much rather have seen the tuck box back design on the cards backs.

The tuck box back design. This is just a personal complaint. I love the design, but it is a bit hard for me to swallow "glory to ukraine" on there. Not a deal breaker though.

Everything else, I love. The tuck box will lose a lot of appeal without the foil and embossing. A lot. So let's hope the stretch goal is reasonable and it is met.

I will be in for a pledge, I hope it does well.

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[theCapraAegagrus]

Also not my thing, but that ace looks pretty good. Good luck!

[sinjin7]

The printer is NPCC, so that is an automatic no for me.

[Adonael]

The girls in this project, though scorching hot

Each to his own, I guess Though I do agree about the artwork, a lot of it looks inconsistent, too realistic/photography in some places while looking very cartoony in others.

The printer is NPCC, so that is an automatic no for me.

Well that's just silly.

Although I love the tuck, and the idea is appealing. I would never ever support this project or any project as a result of the creators comments here viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11719" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. This guy is basically the Ukranian equivalent of a White Nationalist. Not only does he not understand what the word 'politics' means, he's sociopathic, racist, ignorant, probably homophobic and who knows what else. I can often separate the creator from his creations, but not in this case. Have a read of that thread and decide for yourself if you want to support such extremist views.

[STLBluesNut]

Can we stop labeling every damn thing as racist?

racist

NOUN

A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Since when did Russian become a race? I looked up several definitions and lists of race, and "Russian" didn't fit any of those definitions and wasn't on any list. Also, you are not helping your cause by assuming this guy is probably homophobic or whatever else. It's even a stretch to label this guy as promoting nazism in the linked thread.

I understand this guy didn't say the smartest things, especially in this day and age of inclusiveness, open mindedness and tolerance. Although, many people that preach tolerance the loudest are often the most intolerant of anyone that disagrees with their own opinions.

The point being, this is a thread about a deck of cards and coming in here to throw around highly flammable, and incorrect, labels about someone else for any purpose is pretty shitty. Racist, Nazi and homophobe are pretty commonly misused in circumstances to inflame emotions.

I'm not defending this guy nor would I defend any of those using these terms where they don't belong, especially when pulled out of thin air as assumptions.

It's not a great way to make a point about someone as by being just as inflammatory as they are, maybe even more so in this case. By all means, do not support a project for any reason you like. It is your money. Even come in here and point out facts, but start throwing around racist, nazi and homophobic wrongly is pretty much BS.

I can only speak for myself here, but I come here to read about, learn about and enjoy playing cards with like minded people. I don't come here to read this BS name calling by people trying to inflame opinions against someone else.

I'm sure there were good intentions to bring to light and give a heads up about a person who you believe their actions or personal views are distasteful. Can we just do it in a wise manner that is accurate and isn't resorting to the lowest common denominator of name calling and purposely inflammatory labels?



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[Magic Tapp]

Can we stop labeling every damn thing as racist?

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I understand this guy didn't say the smartest things, especially in this day and age of inclusiveness, open mindedness and tolerance. Although, many people that preach tolerance the loudest are often the most intolerant of anyone that disagrees with their own opinions.

The point being, this is a thread about a deck of cards and coming in here to throw around highly flammable, and incorrect, labels about someone else for any purpose is pretty shitty. Racist, Nazi and homophobe are pretty commonly misused in circumstances to inflame emotions.

I'm not defending this guy nor would I defend any of those using these terms where they don't belong, especially when pulled out of thin air as assumptions.

It's not a great way to make a point about someone as by being just as inflammatory as they are, maybe even more so in this case. By all means, do not support a project for any reason you like. It is your money. Even come in here and point out facts, but start throwing around racist, nazi and homophobic wrongly is pretty much BS.

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I'm sure there were good intentions to bring to light and give a heads up about a person who you believe their actions or personal views are distasteful. Can we just do it in a wise manner that is accurate and isn't resorting to the lowest common denominator of name calling and purposely inflammatory labels?

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I respectfully disagree - perhaps racist was not the right word but it has nothing to do with PC or inclusiveness or anything else. Adonael and Montenzi are absolutely on point when they say that these hateful slogans do not belong on a deck of cards (or anywhere else for that matter) and I, for one, will never back anything created by a person who spews intolerance and hate. There are many nations in the world who dislike each other (Pakistan and India, to name just one) but that is not a reason for anyone’s political or nationalistic views to feature on playing cards.

[STLBluesNut]

Anyone can certainly put anything they like on a card or anything else. They can also say anything they like. At least where I live. However, those things may also have consequences and in the case of a deck of playing cards the consequence would likely be not getting funded or possible legal action if it were illegal.

You put your thoughts and your opinion out without name calling or trying to use charged terms that weren't fitting in the situation. I think that's how it should be done.

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[PipChick]

okay, I'mma have to step in here real quick and put my foot down; while I understand and don't disagree with much of where some members are coming from in their concerns and how those may or may not sway their personal decision to support a creator (very reasonable), I gotta say that it's in pretty poor taste to incite a forum riot with such inflammatory/defamatory accusations, name-calling and personal attacks on the creator who, let's remember, considered feedback provided and did, after all, decide NOT to include those previous sentiments in this current deck presented before us.

Remember, UC is a place we want to be positive and engaging for all users, members and creators alike, so it's up to ALL of us to keep it that way - with that said, everyone's free to express themselves, but before pushing the post button to do so publicly, please take a moment to consider carefully what you've written, how and the tone in which you did so, and how it may be perceived by others and affect those reading it because you will be held accountable. Just be responsible with the words you choose and how you decide to use 'em.

C'mon people; it's early morning for me - I haven't even had my cup of coffee yet - and it's the Thanksgiving holiday for most (or very, very late the night before) - we've all said our piece so let's move on and focus on what we're all even here for to begin with - the deck and it's design - and keep all other emotionally-charged personal matters for Turkey dinner with the family at home.

[Magic Tapp]

Anyone can certainly put anything they like on a card or anything else. They can also say anything they like. At least where I live. However, those things may also have consequences and in the case of a deck of playing cards the consequence would likely be not getting funded or possible legal action if it were illegal.

You put your thoughts and your opinion out without name calling or trying to use charged terms that weren't fitting in the situation. I think that's how it should be done.

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There is a difference between freedom of speech and a statement along the lines of “killing [insert name of a nation] is a good thing”. Freedom of speech is one thing but the latter is definitely an issue.

[STLBluesNut]

+10 PipChick.

I certainly cannot write or express my thoughts as well as she can. I think she pretty much nailed it.

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[theCapraAegagrus]

Prejudice is stupid, because we're all equally worthless.

Let's keep political and religious affairs off of this site. Let's also not allow our own opinions, of someone else's opinion, to interfere with the success (or lack thereof) of this project.

[Bradius]

I agree with PipChick’s statement. I have not said anything up to this point for that reason. I will just say that my wife is Russian and l am glad the language was removed. Time to move on. I actually do like the card design. The artwork is good.

[Eric Lee]

As its Thanksgiving right now in the US as I type this, let's also adopt the spirit of Thanksgiving. Let's be grateful that we have such a wonderful space and forum to share our thoughts and love for such a niche hobby. Yes, we'll have disagreements, some very serious due to political and real life situations. But let's not chase fellow hobbyists and creators away, especially when one has made the effort to remove said offense or made attempts to put it to rest.

Happy Thanksgiving to you all in the US!

Now back to the main topic of this thread. The backs are done in such a fashion that if a stretch goal is reached, the 2nd deck back will hide a marking system

"The major stretch goal includes the second deck with special marking system that allows reading the identity of the card by looking at the back design.
The pattern, I used on the back, belongs to the modern Ukrainian military uniform and is code-named as MM-14. It is very close to the American, and is ideally suited for camouflaging purposes. I have created a special code system on the back design, so that you can use your deck not only for games, but also for tricks. I will tell you more about the recognition of these codes in our updates to the project."

[CupcakeBaron]

This thread was certainly a wild ride... But to get back on topic I'll share my thoughts on the deck.

For me the best thing about it is the tuck. I'm really just not feeling any of the court cards and the back is a bit boring. I tend to not like super realistic courts and even more than that I hate how overtly sexy and modern they are. I get that a pin-up is supposed to be sexy but I prefer the old style pin-ups that were a bit classier and understated versus these modern pin-ups that are just a bit too much. There is a hint of that classic pinup style that I'm wanting(on the tuck, jokers, king of diamonds, queen of spades) and I wish the creator went more in that direction.

[STLBluesNut]

If that stretch goal is met, I hope it has different courts, a different back and a different tuck design. I know a lot of time goes into designing a custom deck of cards but I don't care for when a designer offers a 2nd deck with only minor changes.

The initial offering is so good that I'd love to see the second deck being just as good, but different.

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[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

Thank you all for your feedback and suggestions!

[ICantShuffle]

I want to back this deck, I'm just not sure about NPCC being the printer. I got my copies of the El Recuerdo decks and the foil work is amazing, tucks are great, but the finish on the cards is 'meh.'

Since the text seemed to touch a nerve, why not use some other more generic military slogans? I'm not sure of Ukrainian military 'slang,' but I know some US Military / Latin that would capture the spirit of decisive aggressiveness that military organizations are known for.

Si vis pacem, para bellum. (If you want peace, prepare for war) UK Navy Slogan, or the USS Ronald Reagan version: Peace through strength.

"Put warheads on foreheads" (This one doesn't translate well in other languages since it's a rhyme)

De oppresso liber (To free the oppressed) US Army slogan.

Just a thought.

[STLBluesNut]

I wonder out of curiosity how many of those that say they won't back or buy this or any other deck because of the printer actually use them that much?

Even if you were a magician, avid card player or cardist why not pick up one if you like the deck's art/style?

How many that won't buy a deck because of printer also buy $100 plus Lotrek decks that they will never open or use extensively even if they open?

I am admittedly new to this hobby and I buy what I like because I like them aesthetically. I open all of them. I don't buy them with the idea of an investment or that I will sell them eventually some day. Even if I do, I understand I will probably only get half price or so for them.

Like I said, just out of curiosity. Buy or don't buy whatever you like. Put them in the spokes of your kids bike or put them in a safe to never be seen again. Not matter to me.





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[rousselle]

I'm curious about the "Varnish" stretch goal. What does that mean, exactly?

[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

Hello to everyone! Thank you for the comments and ideas.
I decided to change the back of the basic deck as many of you asked me to do that. I do appreciate your opinion and during the next week I’ll make changes. You are welcome to send me your ideas of what you’d like to see on the card’s back.
If we achieve the marked deck goal, the back of that deck will be with the camouflage, as advertised in the project now. Also on the second deck I’ll change the slogans to more neutral.
The varnish on the deck will be applied on the letters - to make red color more glossy and saturated.

[rousselle]

Updated original post to include the Kickstarter project and tracking information.

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Thanks for elaborating on the varnish. You're referring to the tuck box, then. Got it.

As always, thanks for listening to our comments and taking them into consideration.

[STLBluesNut]

Thanks for taking the feedback, thinking about it. It is definitely appreciated.

Perhaps a mix of some of the Chevron and military symbols that are on the front and back of the tuck. Mixed in with some guns and bullets?

Looking at the rest of the art in the project I am confident you can come up with something great. I would recommend a two way design. One way designs don't bother me as a collector, but it really makes a difference to some.

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[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

Today I'm opening a new pledge with Pin-Up metal signs.

Main features:

Printed on 1mm aluminum plates.
Gedacolor printing method - Swiss technology to print on metal surfaces.
Size: 130*90mm.
Any face card, Ace of Spades or the tuck box image.
Here is a small video:

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[Sviatoslav Pashchuk]

Hello to everyone! Here are some new variations of back design

[theCapraAegagrus]

Hello to everyone! Here are some new variations of back design

#2 and #3 don't look good.

[CupcakeBaron]

Right now 1>3>4>2.