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SiShou - Four Beasts

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:21 pm
by alvinhy
Hello everyone, you may already know about this deck from the design development thread I have in this forum.[kickup][/kickup]

This deck was placed on hiatus since the kickstarted campaign failed to reach its goal.
I would like to take this opportunity to say I have picked this project back up and will be dedicated to finish this deck.

ITS LIVE ON KICKSTARTER NOW!


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Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:36 pm
by walrus
These are looking very nice Alvin. I am a sucker for Red decks and as I mentioned prior I love Chinese artwork. I did not realize these prices would be in English Quid, I guess I am spoiled being an American KS is usually cheap. 12.50 is more than I like to pay for a KS deck but I dig these and do not mind giving you the support. I wish you great success with these. Unfortunatley it seems a # of fugly decks have received funding while a few very nice decks missed the financial mark recently. Let us hope things get back on track for you.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:43 pm
by badpete69
Is there a way to use Amazon payments like all the other KS US projects or do I have to type in my visa number to pledge?

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:53 pm
by Oswin
Be careful the price is in sterling pound £ ;)

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:57 pm
by Oswin
badpete69 wrote:Is there a way to use Amazon payments like all the other KS US projects or do I have to type in my visa number to pledge?
I prefer Amazon Payments it's more simple to use. I don't want to put my credit card on this site.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:01 pm
by volantangel
Any particular reason why you limited yourself to 52 of each single deck pledges? Although i do think most will do a 2 deck set, but some just want one.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:13 pm
by alvinhy
walrus wrote:These are looking very nice Alvin. I am a sucker for Red decks and as I mentioned prior I love Chinese artwork. I did not realize these prices would be in English Quid, I guess I am spoiled being an American KS is usually cheap. 12.50 is more than I like to pay for a KS deck but I dig these and do not mind giving you the support. I wish you great success with these. Unfortunatley it seems a # of fugly decks have received funding while a few very nice decks missed the financial mark recently. Let us hope things get back on track for you.
Thanks walrus! Its a bit more than your regular decks because I ilve in UK and shipping costs is high.
badpete69 wrote:Is there a way to use Amazon payments like all the other KS US projects or do I have to type in my visa number to pledge?
Im not sure about the backing process of kickstarter. Maybe UK projects cant use amazon payments? im not sure.
volantangel wrote:Any particular reason why you limited yourself to 52 of each single deck pledges? Although i do think most will do a 2 deck set, but some just want one.
This is so that I have an equal amount of decks printed. If it reaches 52 I can always increase the limit. So that both colours print out the same amount not having to print 1000 more reds than teal.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:31 pm
by darkinertia
awesome ive been waiting for this deck to come out! i do agree with walrus, though its a tad bit more than id usually like to pay for a deck on KS, i dont care since i see the love and effort you put into designing this and im happy to support a deck that ive been wanting, a more authentic asian themed deck done right! gotta represent :D

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:50 am
by alvinhy
darkinertia wrote:awesome ive been waiting for this deck to come out! i do agree with walrus, though its a tad bit more than id usually like to pay for a deck on KS, i dont care since i see the love and effort you put into designing this and im happy to support a deck that ive been wanting, a more authentic asian themed deck done right! gotta represent :D
Sorry for the prices but it has to be like that since shipping from UK to USA a deck already costs me $7 to ship =S

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:06 am
by pakiah
The fact that shipping is included in the pledge actually makes it more appealing for me to fund it!

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:22 am
by alvinhy
pakiah wrote:The fact that shipping is included in the pledge actually makes it more appealing for me to fund it!
How much is shipping usually??

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:23 am
by Strag
alvinhy wrote:
pakiah wrote:The fact that shipping is included in the pledge actually makes it more appealing for me to fund it!
How much is shipping usually??
For US backers shipping is usually included, whilst us International guys pay the difference (in some cases more, in some cases less).

This one is a bit of a shame as those of us in the UK would finally get a break on shipping instead of paying the same as everyone.

BTW, a bit curious about this one. Would seem to me that the most sense would be to have the USPCC ship to a fulfillment house in the US for your USA orders rather than bulk shipping all decks from US to UK and back to US again. Have USPCC given you a shipping quote for 5000 decks to UK and have you included VAT in your pricing? Almost seems like it might not be enough now and I've seen a couple (non-card related) KS horror stories recently.

Not complaining mind you (currently I'm a back for 2 of each color) but pointing out some logistical issues.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:07 pm
by alvinhy
Thanks for the support guys! Ill take these advices and make sure the next deck I produce (if i do) works out well.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 pm
by SeanWhelan
Beautiful deck! Good luck with the project! I'm sure it'll surpass the goal

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:09 am
by alvinhy
SeanWhelan wrote:Beautiful deck! Good luck with the project! I'm sure it'll surpass the goal
Thanks sean! I do hope so too! It would be great to see magicians and people using this deck :D

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:18 am
by Evan
This is an outstanding deck! You will definitely reach your goal, plus more.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:46 am
by alvinhy
Evan wrote:This is an outstanding deck! You will definitely reach your goal, plus more.
I do hope so too evan! currently at 18%....need help spreading the word!

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:37 pm
by walrus
I finally got around to pledging for these. Their quality is magnified by all the crap put out on KS as of late. Pledging does seem a little slow at this point. If they do not get funded I will be very perplexed.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:50 pm
by MagikFingerz
Strag wrote: BTW, a bit curious about this one. Would seem to me that the most sense would be to have the USPCC ship to a fulfillment house in the US for your USA orders rather than bulk shipping all decks from US to UK and back to US again. Have USPCC given you a shipping quote for 5000 decks to UK and have you included VAT in your pricing? Almost seems like it might not be enough now and I've seen a couple (non-card related) KS horror stories recently.
For me, this not being addressed is what's keeping me from pledging.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 pm
by alvinhy
MagikFingerz wrote:
Strag wrote: BTW, a bit curious about this one. Would seem to me that the most sense would be to have the USPCC ship to a fulfillment house in the US for your USA orders rather than bulk shipping all decks from US to UK and back to US again. Have USPCC given you a shipping quote for 5000 decks to UK and have you included VAT in your pricing? Almost seems like it might not be enough now and I've seen a couple (non-card related) KS horror stories recently.
For me, this not being addressed is what's keeping me from pledging.
I have gotten a shipping quote for the decks to UK, and the funds covers the costs :)
I have also got in touch with UKs royal mail services to work out the best shipping options for me.

The cost is not the problem. I wont be getting much profit from this deck, its the vibe that my design is getting acknowledged and used by people around the world that drives me into doing this :D

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:20 pm
by MagikFingerz
That puts me more at ease. Thanks for clarifying :)

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:17 am
by alvinhy
MagikFingerz wrote:That puts me more at ease. Thanks for clarifying :)
Sorry for not explaining earlier :)

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:12 pm
by CBJ
A new pic


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6 days left to reach their goal...


CBJ

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:13 pm
by walrus
Just wanted to give these a bump. Due to computer issues I can not check to see how they are doing at KS. I backed them a while ago. The cards are great and the gentleman who designed them seems like a nice guy. If they have not met the goal I hope they do so. Please pledge so I can get mine. (Is that a selfish statement)

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22 pm
by MagikFingerz
walrus wrote:Just wanted to give these a bump. Due to computer issues I can not check to see how they are doing at KS. I backed them a while ago. The cards are great and the gentleman who designed them seems like a nice guy. If they have not met the goal I hope they do so. Please pledge so I can get mine. (Is that a selfish statement)
With less than 3 days to go and only 55% of the way, it doesn't look like they'll make it. Unfortunately :(

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:03 am
by walrus
Damn, so many poor decks meet the goal. This one and Seans were great. I do not know why they fell short. I hope this young man is able to try this again although I do not know how he would improve on the design. Too bad.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:55 am
by MJF
How in the hell did this not get funded, yet decks like "Stealth" did??? Did I miss something over the last couple of months??? :shock:

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:12 am
by Encarded
MJF wrote:How in the hell did this not get funded, yet decks like "Stealth" did??? Did I miss something over the last couple of months??? :shock:
I think you missed that there are way too many decks on Kickstarter now and people are flinging poo up there without much thought or planning. The collector mindset of "have everything" takes over from there until people run out of money. I think the card market got very oversaturated in the last 3-4 months and it will take some time for the bad stuff to return to the bottom and the quality work to come back up to into the collectors view.

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:25 am
by badpete69
Personally I did not like the fact that I could not use the usual Amazon payment method and had to type in my credit card. I bet this is a factor for many US potential backers

Re: SiShou - Four Beasts [KICKSTARTER LIVE]

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:42 pm
by SeanWhelan
Would definitely try a second time. I'm with a lot of people and surprised at which decks succeed and which ones fail. Sometimes you look at the screen and go "That one raised money and THAT one didn't??"