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Sirius B











Neon Line









Between Lines

Thanks for posting this. I saw the email on this earlier today and checked out their site. I actually like the colors on the Neon Line deck and the back is ok. The middle finger on the King turned me off though. Call me old-fashioned but I don't care for that type of thing, especially with kids in my house. I am leaning towards getting the Sirius B deck when it comes out. I do like those colors and the back design. In a way it takes me back to my 1970's mood rings and also that one toy when you rub the back and it changes colors. Have no idea what it was called.

Are these USPCC? If so why did they let these guys flip the bird but not Lee? viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11009&start=20#p127891" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

vasta41 wrote:Are these USPCC? If so why did they let these guys flip the bird but not Lee? viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11009&start=20#p127891" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interestingly, yes. They are USPC printed.

https://www.riffleshuffle.com/products/ ... oming-soon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How could this escape their rigorous standard process?

It's too bad that the Sirius B courts are awful, because otherwise they look pretty nice.

No interest in the Neon Line from me.

Really hate this "Between Lines" deck.

guru wrote:

vasta41 wrote:Are these USPCC? If so why did they let these guys flip the bird but not Lee? viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11009&start=20#p127891" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interestingly, yes. They are USPC printed.

https://www.riffleshuffle.com/products/ ... oming-soon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

How could this escape their rigorous standard process?

Are these printed yet? If so then I'm baffled and pissed off. Why would USPCC have a sliding scale like that?

Vasta.. They are printed and will be delivered soon as it was with all their private launches

badpete69 wrote:Vasta.. They are printed and will be delivered soon as it was with all their private launches

I wish Jay still frequented this site as often as he used to. He might been able to get the inside scoop on this with his connections inside the factory.

Was just chatting with Jay right now Vasta. He says they probably missed it because usually as we know they don't go for that type of stuff. Now the other side is that maybe the deck is not printed and it will get caught. But I was part of many of their private launches in the past and usually we get our decks about 2 weeks after the launch

Let's see how this plays out. maybe we should buy 1 deck as this would be the only USPCC deck with a King flipping us all hehehe

vasta41 wrote:

badpete69 wrote:Vasta.. They are printed and will be delivered soon as it was with all their private launches

I wish Jay still frequented this site as often as he used to. He might been able to get the inside scoop on this with his connections inside the factory.

I still hop on the site multiple times a day. But, i normally don't check every new deck thread.
If there's something you want me to read/look at... shoot me a PM.

As for the finger... I'm surprised USPC would miss that. It's pretty obvious.
Let me look into it.

Jay

CBJ wrote:

vasta41 wrote:

badpete69 wrote:Vasta.. They are printed and will be delivered soon as it was with all their private launches

I wish Jay still frequented this site as often as he used to. He might been able to get the inside scoop on this with his connections inside the factory.

I still hop on the site multiple times a day. But, i normally don't check every new deck thread.
If there's something you want me to read/look at... shoot me a PM.

As for the finger... I'm surprised USPC would miss that. It's pretty obvious.
Let me look into it.

Jay

The fact that they didn't catch THAT but caught THIS is beyond me:

vasta41 wrote:

CBJ wrote:

vasta41 wrote:

badpete69 wrote:Vasta.. They are printed and will be delivered soon as it was with all their private launches

I wish Jay still frequented this site as often as he used to. He might been able to get the inside scoop on this with his connections inside the factory.

I still hop on the site multiple times a day. But, i normally don't check every new deck thread.
If there's something you want me to read/look at... shoot me a PM.

As for the finger... I'm surprised USPC would miss that. It's pretty obvious.
Let me look into it.

Jay

The fact that they didn't catch THAT but caught THIS is beyond me:

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If Lee sees this I bet he'll be pissed. I know I am.

RichK wrote:

vasta41 wrote:

CBJ wrote:As for the finger... I'm surprised USPC would miss that. It's pretty obvious.
Let me look into it.

Jay

The fact that they didn't catch THAT but caught THIS is beyond me:

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If Lee sees this I bet he'll be pissed. I know I am.

That makes two of us - like What. The. Actual. F*ck!

If this truly is the case, what a bunch of prude-pricks!

Three ugly decks. These suck.

I actually like the photo copy feel of between the lines.


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badpete69 wrote:Sirius B

The color palette of that Sirius B deck is giving me major flashbacks to the Marbles deck from that Ellusionist Grand Prix Contest - I don't know if any of those cards were/will ever be actually made, but still...

Räpylätassu wrote:Three ugly decks. These suck.

Yes!

So just to confirm, those neon decks were not only printed, they are already shipping. looks like USPCC missed 1

badpete69 wrote:So just to confirm, those neon decks were not only printed, they are already shipping. looks like USPCC missed 1

This is some serious crap. My guess is that they only looked at one of the hands, the one with an open palm, and passed it along? Seriously crappy quality oversight here, if not pure hypocrisy.

I think it is funny that USPCC missed it. I guess they didn't look edgy enough for them to look closely. It is tough being the morality police. Anyway, I am sure they will carefully review any future submissions

Even so, the color combination is nice and for a cardistry deck, it looks nice. It just isn't for me. Too many others have grabbed my money as of late.

I think that Bocopo probably submits the artwork for a bunch of decks at once and the USPCC lawyers don’t have enough time to go through the designs thoroughly in the amount of time they need to respond while Lee was only submitting one deck design. Plus, the theme of Lee’s design was rebellious Outlaws, so they probably were on high alert when looking through the artwork.

Not saying that it is right, but I can definitely see how it slipped through.

shermjack wrote:I think that Bocopo probably submits the artwork for a bunch of decks at once and the USPCC lawyers don’t have enough time to go through the designs thoroughly in the amount of time they need to respond while Lee was only submitting one deck design. Plus, the theme of Lee’s design was rebellious Outlaws, so they probably were on high alert when looking through the artwork.

Not saying that it is right, but I can definitely see how it slipped through.

It's a double-standard is what it is. If I were Lee I'd be up their asses about this. I have to say I lost a little respect for USPCC here.

Here it is... The "F off" USPCC deck.... So much for quality control..... But go figure they changed the back of the deck from the posted pics on the website.... geeeeeezz [MURRAY] [BACON]

Just thought I would share this here so that people are aware... I have ordered a couple of Sirius B decks and, having realised that they were nowhere to be seen, decided to check with their joke of a customer service on the whereabouts of my order. Ended up having an utterly unpleasant email exchange - turns out they sent my decks by untraceable mail, the package got lost and now they refuse to take any responsibility for shipping, suggesting that I have to pay for the decks again. Yeah, right - like that is going to happen after their “f off” attitude towards their customers.

I am not trying to defend them. However, look at things from their perspective. They shipped the decks, packaged them properly and shipped them. They may have (and should) have notified you that they were shipping via untrackable means and that they are not responsible for lost shipments. They may have even offered insurance for the shipment. However, they may not have built into their pricing the cost of lost shipments. It can get expensve for a seller. Best is when you can track stuff. For a lot of sellers, this is just not priced into the decks they sell. In the end, you pay extra for such service. Best though is when the seller clearly states your risks and gives you additional options to mitigate your risks.

Thanks Brad. Fair enough - I hear what you are saying. The problem that I have, however, is not with the cost of the two decks that were lost in transit (which is negligible compared to what I spend on some other decks), it is more about the attitude towards their customers.

Look at what Jackson has offered to one of his Olive Tally Ho purchasers - full refund with respect to somewhat dinged decks. Again, he was under no obligation to do so but he understands that this is what would bring the person back and, more often than not, that person is going to tell other people who would now more likely buy from JR as opposed to others who just don’t give a damn.

The answer that I got when I enquired about my decks was “go and speak to USPS, once you paid, it is no longer our problem”. Now, does this sound like taking care of your customers?

Again, I am not talking about a refund or sending a replacement deck but I do expect people to at least make an effort and be helpful. And, while we are on this, do offer people a piece of mind by allowing them to choose a trackable package option (pricier though it may be).

If your business is high volume, low margin and customers be damned, that is fine but I just think it is a very misguided strategy.

1. Bocopo doesnt have any responsibility on lost orders after being shipped. This is common in most (if not every) shop. Just give it a thought. Its courier's or post's responsibility when the package is lost why would Bocopo be reponsible? It doesnt make sense at all.

Also what do you expect from Bocopo or seller to help you with? The only thing they can do is just to contact your post or courier and get the same answer from them like you.

2. Jackson's example is totally different. First of all for that situation (dinged decks) is Jackson fully responsible for not doing a proper inspection or not packing the order well...unless the package (box) was heavily damaged by courier/post.

3. Just because Jackson offered a really generous compensation you shouldn't expect the same from others.

"turns out they sent my decks by untraceable mail, the package got lost and now they refuse to take any responsibility for shipping, suggesting that I have to pay for the decks again""

Thats not a bad attitude at all. Lol.

They didnt do anything wrong... I know how it feels losing a package, but calm down and give it a thought before posting... and btw I dont work for Bocopo.

kulidone wrote:1. Bocopo doesnt have any responsibility on lost orders after being shipped. This is common in most (if not every) shop. Just give it a thought. Its courier's or post's responsibility when the package is lost why would Bocopo be reponsible? It doesnt make sense at all.

Also what do you expect from Bocopo or seller to help you with? The only thing they can do is just to contact your post or courier and get the same answer from them like you.

Wait what?? So this is the easiest selling model ever... I just receive the money, inform the buyer that the package was sent and then wait for the buyer to report it as lost, and then that's all, money in, good are still in, all profit! Your vision is great.

kulidone wrote:This is common in most (if not every) shop

This statement couldn't be far from the truth.. I've dealt with a lot of different sellers, and only two have showed this attitude, one of them being BOCOPO.

An since I'm at it, my Luna Moon order was also lost, but in this case by my country postal service. I contacted them (my country postal service) and they told me (by signed letter) that the package was lost and I should contact the sender so he could fill a claim with the Original Postal Carrier so they could be refunded of their lost. So I did it, and after a month BOCOPO told me that there was nothing to do, the package was lost and they couldn't do anything. So BOCOPO had all the information to recoup their money, which I'm quite sure they did and left me with nothing. I spent a lot of my personal time trying to help solving this problem and all I got was a big NOTHING. No other seller in the world do this. So for everyone out there, STAY AWAY FROM BACOPO.

An important note: Every postal carrier has responsability to the Original Postal Carrier, so in case of a lost package, if you can prove it was really lost, the destination Postal Carrier will pay to the Original Postal Carrier the default ensurance value for the type of shipping used, this is sometimes up to 20 times the shipping value (depends on the carrier and shipping service).

kulidone wrote:and btw I dont work for Bocopo.

Please let me know to which company you work, as I would never do business with you. Thank you.

kulidone wrote:1. Bocopo doesnt have any responsibility on lost orders after being shipped. This is common in most (if not every) shop. Just give it a thought. Its courier's or post's responsibility when the package is lost why would Bocopo be reponsible? It doesnt make sense at all.

Also what do you expect from Bocopo or seller to help you with? The only thing they can do is just to contact your post or courier and get the same answer from them like you.

2. Jackson's example is totally different. First of all for that situation (dinged decks) is Jackson fully responsible for not doing a proper inspection or not packing the order well...unless the package (box) was heavily damaged by courier/post.

3. Just because Jackson offered a really generous compensation you shouldn't expect the same from others.

"turns out they sent my decks by untraceable mail, the package got lost and now they refuse to take any responsibility for shipping, suggesting that I have to pay for the decks again""

Thats not a bad attitude at all. Lol.

They didnt do anything wrong... I know how it feels losing a package, but calm down and give it a thought before posting... and btw I dont work for Bocopo.

I do not expect Bocopo to do anything and I know that they are not required to give a toss. However, I do think that going an extra mile for your customers goes a long way and the cost of offering to send a replacement deck would be minor compared to the loss of future business from collectors, many of whom are spending substantial amounts of money on their hobby. Bocopo decks are every so often nice but nothing to think about twice and I, for one, will now take my business elsewhere.

Pablo393 wrote:The middle finger on the King turned me off though. Call me old-fashioned but I don't care for that type of thing, especially with kids in my house.

Sorry a little off-topic (though I don't mind some aspects of these designs, and yeah that's some shithouse customer service), but I thought this was just so hilarious! You think kids care about a finger? You think they aren't *gasp* even swearing when adults aren't around? Do you even remember being a kid? This is up there with adults thinking kids care about nudity, news flash, they haven't been taught to be ashamed and embarrassed of their bodies yet, a person is just a person to them whether clothed or not. That kind of well, I don't even know what because I've never figured out why it's such a common belief, is how you end up with stuff like the US film industry where you're allowed to show fifty people being killed in a movie 12 year olds can watch but not so much as a butt cheek, how does that make sense? It's not as if they don't have mirrors, and it just ends up causing a lot of unhealthy problems later on particularly with porn and what they learn from it. Anyway my parents let us say 'shit' because you have to have something to say or you'll be repressed.