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Kete Moon has posted that there will be new decks in the Bicycle Cage Garden series. Here are the photos he posted..
These will be released be the same people who did the first set.












CBJ

Limited? Nice and rare deck !

Pardon me but what was version 2?

vasta41 wrote:Pardon me but what was version 2?

I think he was just counting the first set as two different versions, ie this will be the third deck, not set.

MagikFingerz wrote:

vasta41 wrote:Pardon me but what was version 2?

I think he was just counting the first set as two different versions, ie this will be the third deck, not set.

Aahh- gotchya. To me, the Cage Garden decks is that illusive set that I don't think I'll ever obtain... If I ever get them I think I'll retire from playing card collecting. I might even consider trading my Jerry's Nugget for them.

But I digress. It would be nice to own this No. 3 deck so at least I'll have some form of Cage Garden!

Guys why the fuss over cage gardens? Solely because its rare and not made available in the US?

It wasnt a particularly stunning deck in terms of design, nor handling in fact ive heard that it doesnt fan at all (i kind of understand the fuss over jerrys and gnuggs due to their vintage and handling). So why the fuss?

It has the Paris Hilton effect.... Famous for being famous. There is no talent, beauty, or substance.

Well said Rusty. This is one of those decks one wants to obtain because it is hard to obtain. Still, intersting for us collectors but one of them I would not go out of my way to get or drop that kind of money. As I have progressed in my collection I have learned to obtain that which I like, not that which is a fad. I have to say, if I came across the deck at a reasonable price I would not kick it out of bed.

While all the "hard-to-get" lure definitely makes me want the deck more, I personally have ALWAYS liked the style/ looks of this deck (faces, back and box) since I first laid my eyes on it. I don't know why but for some reason I have a soft-spot for black and white versions of playing cards (in fact, I think this is one of the only black and white sets out there I don't have).

The reason why I don't have this set is because it costs too much. Even at $70 when I first saw it I thought it was too much. I feel the same way about the Dreamcatcher deck... I don't know why I like it so much and I don't know why it's $50 but at that price tag, I don't think I'll ever own it. It's just not worth it. I'd rather spend the money on other decks I like.

I kinda hope this one won't be so rare. I did manage to get one of the black original ones but that was it. And yes it handles like crap, not even sure how that is possible with the USPC. Would it even be possible that this deck is so rare since the USPC won't likely give them a 500 or even 1000 deck run.

For a mere $400 you can own the first 2 decks

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in the words of antonio esfaniari, "why so much??" lol

its a nice looking deck, but it looks like its just a deck to make resellers rich. and if it is true that the deck handles like crap, i dont see the big deal...but i guess i know that if i just want to make a killing i should just go on zazzle, make a couple custom decks, print them off and call them ultra rare?

that said, if its a production run and around 6-8 bucks, im in.

That Ebay auction must be joking with those cases.... seriously, that's what they used for fasteners??? Talk about friggin ugly... Seems someone had some plexi and a few bolts laying around and decided to get "creative"...

darkinertia wrote:in the words of antonio esfaniari, "why so much??" lol

its a nice looking deck, but it looks like its just a deck to make resellers rich. and if it is true that the deck handles like crap, i dont see the big deal...but i guess i know that if i just want to make a killing i should just go on zazzle, make a couple custom decks, print them off and call them ultra rare?

that said, if its a production run and around 6-8 bucks, im in.

Yeah, I'm curious to see what they have planned for this one. Make it limited and rare repeating what they did with the first set, or go for higher quantities and try to feed off of the potential lust for it that the first one may have sparked.

CBJ wrote:Kete Moon has posted that there will be new decks in the Bicycle Cage Garden series. Here are the photos he posted..
These will be released be the same people who did the first set.












CBJ

This is Garden 2nd -BICYCLE GARDEN - TRUTH 03/04 .

lumpyliew wrote:Limited? Nice and rare deck !

USPCC minimum printing quantity -- 2500 decks were printing.

vasta41 wrote:While all the "hard-to-get" lure definitely makes me want the deck more, I personally have ALWAYS liked the style/ looks of this deck (faces, back and box) since I first laid my eyes on it. I don't know why but for some reason I have a soft-spot for black and white versions of playing cards (in fact, I think this is one of the only black and white sets out there I don't have).

The reason why I don't have this set is because it costs too much. Even at $70 when I first saw it I thought it was too much. I feel the same way about the Dreamcatcher deck... I don't know why I like it so much and I don't know why it's $50 but at that price tag, I don't think I'll ever own it. It's just not worth it. I'd rather spend the money on other decks I like.

About Bicycle Cage Garden （1th）
Xiao wo, major member of Fingerdance, came up an idea of creating a unique deck for Chinese players in 2009.
Then, Fingerdance produced Garden Deck in 2010 only aiming to have a member card for Fingerdance. Cage Garden were only printed for 1000 decks.(500 white and 500 black) They were sold out in three days after being available on Fingerdance's official Taobao shop, a Chinese online shop.
At that time, it was cheap of 75RMB/pair, about 10USD/pair.
The first version is only available in mainland of China. Some Chinese people living in America or Europe bought the Cage Garden Deck in low price and sold out expensively to earn profits.

Finger Dance, Is the Cage Garden still availible retail in China. I am going to Hefei, do not know if I can find it anywhere.

when and where can i get the new cage gardens? any info would be appreciated. thanks.

walrus wrote:Finger Dance, Is the Cage Garden still availible retail in China. I am going to Hefei, do not know if I can find it anywhere.

Walrus
You said Cage Garden （1st）or TRUTH Garden （2st）？
Xiao Wo live in BeiJing.

reckone1999 wrote:when and where can i get the new cage gardens? any info would be appreciated. thanks.

I'm sorry, now I don't know.
If I got the news, will tell you.

May be a dumb question, but I thought USPCC only did minimum runs of 2,500. Even if 2 different backs count in same run, what happened to other 1,500 decks? Or do you just pay for 2,500 but only have 1,000 printed?

stelwibe wrote:May be a dumb question, but I thought USPCC only did minimum runs of 2,500. Even if 2 different backs count in same run, what happened to other 1,500 decks? Or do you just pay for 2,500 but only have 1,000 printed?

2500 is the min run now. not back then.

CBJ

stelwibe wrote:May be a dumb question, but I thought USPCC only did minimum runs of 2,500. Even if 2 different backs count in same run, what happened to other 1,500 decks? Or do you just pay for 2,500 but only have 1,000 printed?

In 2009, the lowest USPCC printing quantity is 1000 decks.

One last dumb question (at least on this thread). On Kickstarter, some people do "limited" decks less than 2,500. I guess there are some changes you can make to be able to have portion of 2,500 be a little different. Like maybe tuck box? Change paper stock (like gilded)? Can you split 2,500 between 2 different colored backs (same design, just print color change) and still have "one production run"? I will quit hijacking thread after this. Just new to hobby and trying to learn.

stelwibe wrote:One last dumb question (at least on this thread). On Kickstarter, some people do "limited" decks less than 2,500. I guess there are some changes you can make to be able to have portion of 2,500 be a little different. Like maybe tuck box? Change paper stock (like gilded)? Can you split 2,500 between 2 different colored backs (same design, just print color change) and still have "one production run"? I will quit hijacking thread after this. Just new to hobby and trying to learn.

You can do different tuck boxes. Different colour backs is a different print run, as is different paper stocks. Not sure about gilded but I think that is done after the fact so probably yes (and I know CCCC did a short run of gilded Hornets so that's probably correct).

Also, some people (in particular some big magicians) have a deck produced for their own use and make a much smaller quantity of that run available for sale to the public, thus creating scarcity.

USPCC does allow smaller runs than 2500 today, but they farm it out and the quality on those small runs is reputed to be very poor.

Thanks Strag and CBJ. Very helpful for a newbie. So where before for the cage decks, besides just being on the front end of custom/collectible decks, the small supply and limited distribution supports their current desire for collectors. It would be difficult to carry that same aura, unless they somehow "used" a portion of the 2,500 and only made a subset "available to the public/collector".

Fingerdance wrote:

walrus wrote:Finger Dance, Is the Cage Garden still availible retail in China. I am going to Hefei, do not know if I can find it anywhere.

Walrus
You said Cage Garden （1st）or TRUTH Garden （2st）？
Xiao Wo live in BeiJing.

Cage garden 1st. As said, I may be going to China in the not to far future or I can have someone pick one up if I know they are still availible.

Another pic (thanks to Kete Moon)




Bicycle Truth Garden