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Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:37 pm
by rousselle
rockets455 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:01 am
sorry but mods have said you're no longer allowed to discuss prism decks so please delete your comment. it's on the list of banned topics now thank you for your cooperation
This is not only pure comedy gold, but also an excellent point.
From now on, mods are no longer allowed to talk about how people should no longer talk about Prism display decks.
Unless they really want to.
However, the ban on talking about Bruno is still in effect. Thank you for your constipation.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:54 pm
by GandalfPC
Rousselle, this is your final warning - banning bans has been banned by the committee for free discourse. We are in the process of adding a banner to the site to inform people of the ban on bans unless such bans fall within the purview of the oversight committee which oversees the committee for free discourse.
Rubber bands are of course still permitted.
Ray-Bans are still being debated.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:06 pm
by theCapraAegagrus
GandalfPC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:08 pm
Indeed - you were entirely in the right - display deck for prism backers is not (yet) a point of stress
Heard back - he is still deciding
Good, because that's the only resolution that matters to me right now, for if I win the lottery in the next 3 weeks.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:12 pm
by rousselle
theCapraAegagrus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:06 pm
GandalfPC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:08 pm
Indeed - you were entirely in the right - display deck for prism backers is not (yet) a point of stress
Heard back - he is still deciding
Good, because that's the only resolution that matters to me right now, for if I win the lottery in the next 3 weeks.
Mega Millions and Powerball both currently have jackpots in the hundreds of millions. I think I might have to buy a ticket for the same reason. Heh.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:54 pm
by Harvonsgard
Wait, I'm confused now. Which ban is banned and which banned ban is not banned anymore?
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:28 pm
by Bradius
"From now on, mods are no longer allowed to talk about how people should no longer talk about Prism display decks.
Unless they really want to.
However, the ban on talking about Bruno is still in effect. Thank you for your constipation."
Except for getting Bruno to explain it, I don't know how more clear it can get...oh wait.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:29 pm
by rousselle
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:54 pm
Wait, I'm confused now. Which ban is banned and ehich banned ban is not banned anymore?
Paul McCartney and Wings are...
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Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:45 am
by TheGentlemanWake
I'm planning a KS exclusive deck available to all backers during the campaign. It will not be available after. I'm calling it the Legacy edition.
It is a version of the Imperial Black with Black Edge Printing (like the black and white butterfly from ondrej), a gold tuck case and a new unique tuck sleeve. Note images below are just vectors and like the actual tucks when I originally showed them will be much better when printed. Price is looking like $31. I'm inquiring about a special carat case just for this edition (since the sarcophagus is a 6 deck set) that will feature Successor branding. +
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:43 am
by Harvonsgard
Now I'll have a sarcophagus that doesn't hold my complete Successor collection...
A rich black piano laquer box set and a clear plastic case next to it.
One the other hand I could simply throw away one of the subsidising standard decks to have all back in the 6 deck box.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:55 am
by TheGentlemanWake
Adjusting the box isn't out of the question. It's about rearranging the interior slots. But It assumes that all the sarcophagus owners will want the new deck. Which I can't do. So it's a catch 22. What's worse to get 7 slots for only 6 decks?
This KS exclusive idea is born out of a need to mitigate some of the cancellations and stagnation that has happened with the campaign. We can anticipate that there will be a good percentage of backers whose pledges will be dropped. KS/Stripe/Backerkit are slated to take about $31k as it stands right now.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:56 am
by Harvonsgard
But hasn't the highest tier every deck in it anyways?
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:58 am
by TheGentlemanWake
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:56 am
But hasn't the highest tier every deck in it anyways?
The highest tier has 6 decks and any stretch goals. That means the mini deck, the coin, the metal card. All included IF the stretch goals are met. This is a new offering.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:02 am
by TheGentlemanWake
On an additional note I AM LEANING TOWARDS including a FREE display ungilded Prism deck (in a plain tuck) for Highest tier backers.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:29 am
by rousselle
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:02 am
On an additional note I AM LEANING TOWARDS including a FREE display ungilded Prism deck (in a plain tuck) for Highest tier backers.
While I am not backing at the highest tier myself, I nonetheless think that's a very classy move to give your biggest supporters that little bit extra.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:15 am
by sms69x
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:45 am
I'm planning a KS exclusive deck available to all backers during the campaign. It will not be available after. I'm calling it the Legacy edition.
(oh don't forget the neon edition and the UV edition..
)
I would rather have you addressing the outrageous overpriced shipping than adding new editions on an already overcrowded campaign. But guess that is asking a bit too much, not only rest of the world is paying overpriced shipping we are also paying for the "free" US shipping, double win!!
I have a challenge for you TGW: Are you interested in keeping the box I'm pledging for, for yourself? I'm sure you'll find someone that wants it, but I can't find anyone... Let me know if that interests you.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:30 am
by kasuma99
I am not a fan of many things Omar does but i can't relate to the need to attack the creator, for me it's very simple: i want something, i say it, if the creator do it for me then cool i am happy, if not then cool i will consider if i keep my pledge or not. No need for hate here.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:46 am
by Strag
Yeah I don't think the aggressive tone some people are taking on here is needed at all. Not sure when that became acceptable for people.
I'm not happy with the shipping either. I stated my position once, it was acknowledged but not addressed (the $6 per deck for addon decks). Shipping is a nightmare right now and I certainly wouldn't want to be starting a campagin right now with all the uncertainties around the world situation in this area.
Be civil or be silent.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:55 am
by crazy_lazy
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:30 am
I am not a fan of many things Omar does but i can't relate to the need to attack the creator, for me it's very simple: i want something, i say it, if the creator do it for me then cool i am happy, if not then cool i will consider if i keep my pledge or not. No need for hate here.
Yeah, some of the passive-aggressive comments in this thread are a bit much. Reviewing feedback is part of the creator gig, but I feel for TGW during instances of lesser constructive feedback.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:09 am
by Sir Toddalot
I’m really liking the looks of the Legacy edition! I will definitely be in for a pair. I hope this does help revitalize your campaign, I’m really hoping we hit 350%.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:15 am
by Bradius
Yep, I am definitely getting one or two of the Legacy decks. I was busy writing a long response on the shipping issue, but that subject has been discussed enough. I will focus on a nice additional offering that does interest me. At this rate, I may need to just pick up a top tier that drops and be done with it. I am already in for just under $300 without the Legacy deck.
Okay, I will just mention that if you think shipping is bad, try adding your teenage boy to your auto policy
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:50 am
by Strag
Teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:17 am
by masagin303
Maybe even more problematic then that the shipping is expensive is that it seems unfair. It's that it's FREE in Germany and then really HUGE just behind the border of Germany. If it just matched the real pricing, no one would complain I guess.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:21 am
by theCapraAegagrus
I'm probably never going to consider backing another project with 4+ decks being released at the same time. Not just because Stories is the first time that I was scammed on KS, but 7 luxury decks in 1 campaign? How overloaded must this thing be?
BACKER PERSPECTIVE: A single luxury deck works for most campaigns (use S17's Gemini as a prime example) because the 'special' deck doesn't completely overshadow the 2 'base' decks. What's the point of the red/blue decks if there are 5 others that are more titillating?
The effort put into this campaign/design could have been spread across 2 whole projects. The way I look at this campaign right now is, "cool, only the extremely affluent can afford to collect and appreciate all of the work put into this series".
You did such a perfect job with Parlour, IMO, that reinventing the wheel in this case doesn't make sense from my POV.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:44 am
by aznh
damned if u do
damned if u don’t
i never supported this over extravaganza project n still wont
at this rate stretch goals wont be unlocked
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:19 am
by Harvonsgard
theCapraAegagrus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:21 amWhat's the point of the red/blue decks if there are
5 others that are more titillating?
There're there to subsidize the production of the more expensive decks.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:43 am
by theCapraAegagrus
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:19 am
There're there to subsidize the production of the more expensive decks.
Possibly the worst reason ever to design a deck (or two).
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:44 am
by Strag
As I speculated I would earlier in this thread, I have decided to drop my pledge. Nothing against Omar, but it's just not a design for me and I'm making some stronger choices about what I want to support and spend my funds.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:08 am
by TheGentlemanWake
Strag wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:44 am
As I speculated I would earlier in this thread, I have decided to drop my pledge. Nothing against Omar, but it's just not a design for me and I'm making some stronger choices about what I want to support and spend my funds.
Thanks for your support regardless. I’m sad to see any backer drop. Please let me know in a pm if there’s anything else I can do.
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:15 am
by TheGentlemanWake
theCapraAegagrus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:21 am
I'm probably never going to consider backing another project with 4+ decks being released at the same time. Not just because Stories is the first time that I was scammed on KS, but 7 luxury decks in 1 campaign? How overloaded must this thing be?
BACKER PERSPECTIVE: A single luxury deck works for most campaigns (use S17's Gemini as a prime example) because the 'special' deck doesn't completely overshadow the 2 'base' decks. What's the point of the red/blue decks if there are
5 others that are more titillating?
The effort put into this campaign/design could have been spread across 2 whole projects. The way I look at this campaign right now is, "cool, only the extremely affluent can afford to collect and appreciate all of the work put into this series".
You did such a perfect job with Parlour, IMO, that reinventing the wheel in this case doesn't make sense from my POV.
Thabks for the in-depth perspective. But I think you may have arrived at the counter argument without any help from me… “this case doesn't make sense from my POV.” My decisions are not designed from your POV. Campaigns are a business.business decisions take a bunch of things into account and I think you”ll find that a quarter million dollars in funds or more raised dictates proper business decisions. My choices are not perfect. I am learning constantly. I’ve learned a ton even from this experience. I’m trying to please everyone knowing full well that is impossible. So some folks will be frustrated. I believe it’s a vocal minority. Because I’ve also received messages in private from big ticket backers commending me on this project. Whom should I give more credence too?
Re: The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:42 am
by theCapraAegagrus
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:15 am
Thabks for the in-depth perspective. But
I think you may have arrived at the counter argument without any help from me… “this case doesn't make sense from my POV.” My decisions are not designed from your POV. Campaigns are a business.
business decisions take a bunch of things into account and I think you”ll find that a quarter million dollars in funds or more raised dictates proper business decisions. My choices are not perfect. I am learning constantly. I’ve learned a ton even from this experience. I’m trying to please everyone knowing full well that is impossible. So some folks will be frustrated. I believe it’s a vocal minority. Because I’ve also received messages in private from big ticket backers commending me on this project. Whom should I give more credence too?
I strategically put that there because there is no ironclad argument. It's impossible to reconcile how much more successful this campaign could have been received if my POV was considered instead, though (underline #2). Just because something is successful to a degree of your satisfaction does not mean that it cannot be improved, and I know that you know this.
While my reputation may be one of aggression and being a brute, don't take any of this as dictatorial. It's just honest feedback from me as if we were sitting down at lunch. I sincerely doubt that most people interested in this design actually want 7 different variants. Or 6. Or 5.
