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Sher wrote:Sorry guys, but I'll have to ask you both to stop this current conversation and please settle this between yourselves via PM.

It's okay to discuss the Tally-Hos, but I think the rest is something between you two.

For the record, I don't think Tony is doing anything shady or wrong.

Oh there is a place for this kind of stuff. It's called THUNDERDOME!! http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic ... hunderdome

I wonder why Jackson doesn't come around here anymore? Jackson talking about his Scarlett Tally-Ho here: http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=7451.0 <----It's a pretty good read.

I definitely don't do anything for this community

sprouts1115 wrote:I wonder why Jackson doesn't come around here anymore?

You really wonder that? Maybe it's because he doesn't need to... his current KS demonstrates that quite well. The die hard collectors of the UC community buy his decks anyway, and lurking the forums as opposed to posting in them avoids the Thunderdome.

StanKindLee wrote:

sprouts1115 wrote:I wonder why Jackson doesn't come around here anymore?

You really wonder that? Maybe it's because he doesn't need to... his current KS demonstrates that quite well. The die hard collectors of the UC community buy his decks anyway, and lurking the forums as opposed to posting in them avoids the Thunderdome.

Not to mention we're ≤ 10% of his customer base. And an unimportant 10% at that. Not to mention the raking over the coals that members here (myself included) have given him for past decisions.


Don't mind me, just fanning the flames and to be transparent I did end up backing this project.


P.S. I also contribute nothing to this community. Well nothing other than sarcastic quips and economic stimulation to other community members.

As for the price, yes it's high, and if you're into cardistry and magic there are plenty of alternatives that won't break the bank. From a collector's standpoint I felt they were worth it. I passed on Jackson's first Tallys, found them uninspiring, despite spending enough on his earlier works to put his firstborn through a semester of college. Found the Civil War decks redundant and didn't buy any of them ether.

These Tally designs turn me on, the run is low, so I sprung for a pair. Were all different but we all love cards so send your money on what rings your bell!

Let just throw my 2 cents in here about the price!

I don't see how the price is that high! We're all more than used to pay $17 - $20 for those KS "limited" editions, even some times those are just tuck swaps.
So for a beautiful deck with all the whistle and bells as this one I don't see $25 a deck being that much, far from it, I would gladly pay $30 for this one instead of $15 for most of the decks on KS right now. This is what you can call a trully limited edition deck, from box to cards.

Got a pair, and really regret not being able to snag the 2 of all tier! Well, maybe at the end of the campaing someone will drop and I will be able to get one spot!!

Price is absolutely fine by me.

I have spend 100x to 500x more on a single basketball card lol.

These are a work of art and worth every $$$.

Bring on a $1000 deck I say lol.

Cobretti wrote:Price is absolutely fine by me.

I have spend 100x to 500x more on a single basketball card lol.

These are a work of art and worth every $$$.

Bring on a $1000 deck I say lol.

I accept donations to be put to good use in buying more decks

Cobretti wrote:Price is absolutely fine by me.

I have spend 100x to 500x more on a single basketball card lol.

These are a work of art and worth every $$$.

Bring on a $1000 deck I say lol.

You've spent $40,000 on a baseball card? If that's true, then you have no reason to complain about the price of anything

OK. Time for my opinion.

Are these expensive? Yes. Are they over priced? For me no. Others have their own barometer for price. That's the beauty of a free market system. You can opt out. Do I wish they were cheaper? Sure, but I also wish Ferrari's were cheaper too. As my Grandma was found of saying, "Wish in one hand and poop in the other... See which hand fills up first".

I agree that these aren't too expensive. The only thing I don't agree with is that there isn't a standard edition deck but this is Jackson's project and he feels this is the route to go. I've paid a lot more for one deck. Hell, I paid more for the 52+joker decks but there will be a standard gold edition in a side tuck for that one. While I would like to have a half-brick or brick of these at the blue back price, I'm only in for one this time.

nECr0MaNCeD wrote:OK. Time for my opinion.

Are these expensive? Yes. Are they over priced? For me no. Others have their own barometer for price. That's the beauty of a free market system. You can opt out. Do I wish they were cheaper? Sure, but I also wish Ferrari's were cheaper too. As my Grandma was found of saying, "Wish in one hand and poop in the other... See which hand fills up first".

Totally with you on that. Everyone has their limit, and this one is over mine. That's all it is; it's an awesome deck but I don't (and can't) pay $20 + shipping for any one deck. Sucks, but that's life. Could I have made a case for these being overpriced I probably would, but I don't have all the necessary information to make such a case nor do I have the right to tell Jackson what his work/time is worth. I'd probably do it with just the former, but that's because I'm a bit of a jerk

I will say that I think he'd make more sales with a $15 deck and more reasonable shipping, but that's just like, my opinion, man.

MagikFingerz wrote:

nECr0MaNCeD wrote:OK. Time for my opinion.

Are these expensive? Yes. Are they over priced? For me no. Others have their own barometer for price. That's the beauty of a free market system. You can opt out. Do I wish they were cheaper? Sure, but I also wish Ferrari's were cheaper too. As my Grandma was found of saying, "Wish in one hand and poop in the other... See which hand fills up first".

Totally with you on that. Everyone has their limit, and this one is over mine. That's all it is; it's an awesome deck but I don't (and can't) pay $20 + shipping for any one deck. Sucks, but that's life. Could I have made a case for these being overpriced I probably would, but I don't have all the necessary information to make such a case nor do I have the right to tell Jackson what his work/time is worth. I'd probably do it with just the former, but that's because I'm a bit of a jerk

I will say that I think he'd make more sales with a $15 deck and more reasonable shipping, but that's just like, my opinion, man.

Well put and I wholeheartedly agree that a slightly cheaper deck would have sold more. You just need to look at my (ever growing) pledging history to see that. I just don't think that was the point or goal for this project. This also brings up something that has been on my mind for quite awhile. The plight of international backers. As a fellow collector I can't help but feel your pain. Perhaps USPCC should open a printing facility in the EU and another in Asia. It's got to cost them a bundle to ship their decks across the pond.

I agree. In a free market you can only say that a product is overpriced if you find exactly the same product, in the same area, sold by others for less money.

$20 is a high price, no doubt, but the cost to print 1000 USPCC decks with embossing and foil on the tuck is insanely high. The only question to me is why someone (who does a kickstarter) decides to limit the print run, thus creating an expensive product which @a 4000 print run would be much cheaper without losing in quality.

Lotrek wrote:I agree. In a free market you can only say that a product is overpriced if you find exactly the same product, in the same area, sold by others for less money.

$20 is a high price, no doubt, but the cost to print 1000 USPCC decks with embossing and foil on the tuck is insanely high. The only question to me is why someone (who does a kickstarter) decides to limit the print run, thus creating an expensive product which @a 4000 print run would be much cheaper without losing in quality.

Because Jackson's fans whine when he creates higher print runs. Apparently, Jackson's fans have dictated that he is only allowed to create rare decks. And also because the deck is in honor of his daughter, Scarlett.

MagikFingerz wrote:

Cobretti wrote:Price is absolutely fine by me.

I have spend 100x to 500x more on a single basketball card lol.

These are a work of art and worth every $$$.

Bring on a $1000 deck I say lol.

You've spent $40,000 on a baseball card? If that's true, then you have no reason to complain about the price of anything

Basketball card lol and no more like $20 x 500 lol so $10,000. As the $20 is what people seem to be targeting as a high price.

In total i have lost track how much I would have spend on basketball cards.

Lotrek wrote:I agree. In a free market you can only say that a product is overpriced if you find exactly the same product, in the same area, sold by others for less money.

$20 is a high price, no doubt, but the cost to print 1000 USPCC decks with embossing and foil on the tuck is insanely high. The only question to me is why someone (who does a kickstarter) decides to limit the print run, thus creating an expensive product which @a 4000 print run would be much cheaper without losing in quality.

I really think this has more to do with it being a special deck in honor of his daughter. Otherwise I am sure he would have done a standard run on top of maybe 3000 decks.

Cobretti wrote:

Lotrek wrote:I agree. In a free market you can only say that a product is overpriced if you find exactly the same product, in the same area, sold by others for less money.

$20 is a high price, no doubt, but the cost to print 1000 USPCC decks with embossing and foil on the tuck is insanely high. The only question to me is why someone (who does a kickstarter) decides to limit the print run, thus creating an expensive product which @a 4000 print run would be much cheaper without losing in quality.

I really think this has more to do with it being a special deck in honor of his daughter. Otherwise I am sure he would have done a standard run on top of maybe 3000 decks.

Yes, that was my thought, too. Either way it's a beautiful deck.

So the voting is now open for what comes next. Display decks or prints or a nice poster. Vote away

badpete69 wrote:So the voting is now open for what comes next. Display decks or prints or a nice poster. Vote away

So, apart from the above, is there anything else planned for the remaining 25 days? Considering all pledge tiers are sold out...

I don't see KS projects as a form of entertainment... Once I pledge I just forget about it. Let's called this one complete and check back in next month. Personally I hope the display decks get done but am not expecting anything else

I'm kinda against display decks, they will dilute the collectability of the deck IMO. Reason I backed it was because there would be less than 1000 printed amongst the different types. And while it could change, there are no plans currently to limit the number a person can order meaning someone could order a few gross to sell in secondary market for all those that couldn't get a spot in campaign.

While it won't have a jazzed up tuck with foil and embossing, the promo picture still shows a nice looking tuck. So what was supposed to be an ultra-limited magnum opus dedicated to his daughter now becomes a no holds barred wide release deck with just some limited editions. This is what the original campaign should've been for in the first place IMO, with the limiteds as special tiers.

Mind you, this opinion changes completely if the number of decks one can buy is limited to number of decks one has already pledged for.

I see the display deck as an entirely different product. Yes the cards may be the same but to me the tuck is a very important part of the overall product. There will always be only 1000 of the original designed Scarlett decks and those are the collectible items..

chach wrote:I'm kinda against display decks, they will dilute the collectability of the deck IMO. Reason I backed it was because there would be less than 1000 printed amongst the different types. And while it could change, there are no plans currently to limit the number a person can order meaning someone could order a few gross to sell in secondary market for all those that couldn't get a spot in campaign.

While it won't have a jazzed up tuck with foil and embossing, the promo picture still shows a nice looking tuck. So what was supposed to be an ultra-limited magnum opus dedicated to his daughter now becomes a no holds barred wide release deck with just some limited editions. This is what the original campaign should've been for in the first place IMO, with the limiteds as special tiers.

Mind you, this opinion changes completely if the number of decks one can buy is limited to number of decks one has already pledged for.

Well said fellow Aussie. I brought that up in the comments when he asked about what he should do next.

The fact that the cards in the display deck will not change but only the tuck will I think will impact on the collectability of the limited deck.

To top it off it is indicated that there will be no limit. So i am sure some people will buy 1000+ decks of this and then try to flip them on eBay,

People should play with the cards the original cards. What is the point of putting them away lockedup lol. Most tiers had two deck pledges anyway so open on of those decks up geez.

I think if display decks become the norm, they should be more boring, white tuck only no print on them, maybe arial 14 lol plain text. Then the cards shoudl be hole punched in the middle, or perhaps water marked on the back that that is what they are. Kind of like when people write SAMPLE ONLY on stiff they are demoing to people before the final product.

If we don't dull them down to the extreme I describe, limit it to 1 deck per pledge. After all people have indicated that they "want to play with it" so they don't need a brick of the stuff. This will make it in a sense a true display deck for those who backed the project and don;t want to crack open their packs.

Cobretti wrote:

chach wrote:I'm kinda against display decks, they will dilute the collectability of the deck IMO. Reason I backed it was because there would be less than 1000 printed amongst the different types. And while it could change, there are no plans currently to limit the number a person can order meaning someone could order a few gross to sell in secondary market for all those that couldn't get a spot in campaign.

While it won't have a jazzed up tuck with foil and embossing, the promo picture still shows a nice looking tuck. So what was supposed to be an ultra-limited magnum opus dedicated to his daughter now becomes a no holds barred wide release deck with just some limited editions. This is what the original campaign should've been for in the first place IMO, with the limiteds as special tiers.

Mind you, this opinion changes completely if the number of decks one can buy is limited to number of decks one has already pledged for.

Well said fellow Aussie. I brought that up in the comments when he asked about what he should do next.

The fact that the cards in the display deck will not change but only the tuck will I think will impact on the collectability of the limited deck.

To top it off it is indicated that there will be no limit. So i am sure some people will buy 1000+ decks of this and then try to flip them on eBay,

People should play with the cards the original cards. What is the point of putting them away lockedup lol. Most tiers had two deck pledges anyway so open on eof those decks up geez.

I think if display decks become the norm, they should be more boring, white tuck only no print on them, maybe arial 14 lol plain text. Then the cards shoudl be hole punched in the middle, or perhaps water marked on the back that that is what they are. Kind of like when people write SAMPLE ONLY on stiff they are demoing to people before the final product.

Hello Aussie friends , I have the The Independence series and the display decks. I think the display deck will not affect the collectability and the rareness of the original deck. Since the display deck's tuck, paper, stock, finish of the cards is different. It is more like plasticky. But I agree there should be a limit order of display deck per person. Since display deck originally was aim to let people feel what the actual cards feels like. Not to sell them on ebay

Out of all the options, I'd go for display deck.

Yea, in this project Jackson might be thinking I wish this Kickstarter had a nuke button if all my stuff is gone. That would be some good control. End the Kickstarter whenever you wanted. Simple
You could use it if things went too well. This guy who sold 13 million in coolers. Do you think he is going to make his fulfillment month of Feb 2015. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ry ... s-actually

nECr0MaNCeD wrote:

MagikFingerz wrote:

nECr0MaNCeD wrote:OK. Time for my opinion.

Are these expensive? Yes. Are they over priced? For me no. Others have their own barometer for price. That's the beauty of a free market system. You can opt out. Do I wish they were cheaper? Sure, but I also wish Ferrari's were cheaper too. As my Grandma was found of saying, "Wish in one hand and poop in the other... See which hand fills up first".

Totally with you on that. Everyone has their limit, and this one is over mine. That's all it is; it's an awesome deck but I don't (and can't) pay $20 + shipping for any one deck. Sucks, but that's life. Could I have made a case for these being overpriced I probably would, but I don't have all the necessary information to make such a case nor do I have the right to tell Jackson what his work/time is worth. I'd probably do it with just the former, but that's because I'm a bit of a jerk

I will say that I think he'd make more sales with a $15 deck and more reasonable shipping, but that's just like, my opinion, man.

Well put and I wholeheartedly agree that a slightly cheaper deck would have sold more. You just need to look at my (ever growing) pledging history to see that. I just don't think that was the point or goal for this project. This also brings up something that has been on my mind for quite awhile. The plight of international backers. As a fellow collector I can't help but feel your pain. Perhaps USPCC should open a printing facility in the EU and another in Asia. It's got to cost them a bundle to ship their decks across the pond.

Well they do actually print "standard" riders in the Fournier factory in Spain, so I've been told by our USPC rep.

I like the idea of the display deck. And I don't think that it decrease the collectability of the deck. But I agree there should be a limit (maybe 2 decks).

sprouts1115 wrote:Yea, in this project Jackson might be thinking I wish this Kickstarter had a nuke button if all my stuff is gone. That would be some good control. End the Kickstarter whenever you wanted. Simple

As demonstrated by his last two campaigns, he does have a nuke button and he's not afraid to use it.

I agree with Cobretti, if there are display decks, then they should come in the plain Jane vanilla tucks as what was used for the independence and Holmes display decks. Pure white, and just text stating Scarlett Tally-Ho display deck. I'd also be all for canceling out the cards with a mark or hole. But the picture that was released? That's good enough to sell on its own and isn't, IMO, what a display deck should be.

I do like that JR is sticking to his guns (for now) that no new spots will be opened up.