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So $20 plus shipping for a deck?? isn't this a little too high? yeah I kown "but only 850 exist", kinda wrong.. If you consider the players edition I would say this is a blant tuck swap to force people pay a premium price for a very unlimeted deck (in the sense that there will be way more that 2500 of these produced - otherwise all KS projects are limited, even those that sell 5K+). So JR got here a nice move to cash in a lot of money with a simple tuck swap! Well done!

I for one was able to get a gilded deck and for $36 + shipping can't complain that much. At least this is truly limited at 100... oh sorry 200, not that good on math!

I'm not the one name calling. Just pointing out the facts. And once again another unfortunate but avoidable mistake.

sms69x wrote:So $20 plus shipping for a deck?? isn't this a little too high? yeah I kown "but only 850 exist", kinda wrong.. If you consider the players edition I would say this is a blant tuck swap to force people pay a premium price for a very unlimeted deck (in the sense that there will be way more that 2500 of these produced - otherwise all KS projects are limited, even those that sell 5K+). So JR got here a nice move to cash in a lot of money with a simple tuck swap! Well done!

I for one was able to get a gilded deck and for $36 + shipping can't complain that much. At least this is truly limited at 100... oh sorry 200, not that good on math!

That's exactly what it is. A tuck swap to make extra money. $20 is the same as the first 2 decks.

And I apologize if I was out of line earlier, I just dislike bs.

Some peeps need KWP's product.
You don't want to merchandise your own efforts one day ?
No, never.
You simply fester away, day after day.

vasta41 wrote: CRAZY 8s
What was offered: embossing on LTD tuck case
What was sold: NO embossing on LTD tuck case (in fairness an extra autographed deck was included for free)

TEXAS
What was offered: a black on blue color scheme on the back of the cards
What was sold: a black on very dark grey, almost black color scheme

TALLY-HO BLACK DIAMOND
What was offered: metal tuck case
What (will be) sold: wooden tuck case

LEGAL TENDER
What was offered: holographic strip on court cards
What (will be) sold: no holographic strips

PEARL TALLY-HO
What was offered: 100 Gilded decks
What (will be) sold: at least 200 Gilded decks

Updated.

jerichoholic wrote:

sms69x wrote:So $20 plus shipping for a deck?? isn't this a little too high? yeah I kown "but only 850 exist", kinda wrong.. If you consider the players edition I would say this is a blant tuck swap to force people pay a premium price for a very unlimeted deck (in the sense that there will be way more that 2500 of these produced - otherwise all KS projects are limited, even those that sell 5K+). So JR got here a nice move to cash in a lot of money with a simple tuck swap! Well done!

I for one was able to get a gilded deck and for $36 + shipping can't complain that much. At least this is truly limited at 100... oh sorry 200, not that good on math!

That's exactly what it is. A tuck swap to make extra money. $20 is the same as the first 2 decks.

And I apologize if I was out of line earlier, I just dislike bs.

I'm not sure where all the anger and surprise is coming from. Jackson has produced "players editions" on previous projects, so this isn't a new concept. Also, on the Emerald and Scarlett Tally Ho's Jackson had 200 gilded decks produced. So it looks like he's simply following what he's done previously.

The great thing about Kickstarter is if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to back it.

dcmcalirep wrote:

jerichoholic wrote:

sms69x wrote:So $20 plus shipping for a deck?? isn't this a little too high? yeah I kown "but only 850 exist", kinda wrong.. If you consider the players edition I would say this is a blant tuck swap to force people pay a premium price for a very unlimeted deck (in the sense that there will be way more that 2500 of these produced - otherwise all KS projects are limited, even those that sell 5K+). So JR got here a nice move to cash in a lot of money with a simple tuck swap! Well done!

I for one was able to get a gilded deck and for $36 + shipping can't complain that much. At least this is truly limited at 100... oh sorry 200, not that good on math!

That's exactly what it is. A tuck swap to make extra money. $20 is the same as the first 2 decks.

And I apologize if I was out of line earlier, I just dislike bs.

I'm not sure where all the anger and surprise is coming from. Jackson has produced "players editions" on previous projects, so this isn't a new concept. Also, on the Emerald and Scarlett Tally Ho's Jackson had 200 gilded decks produced. So it looks like he's simply following what he's done previously.

The great thing about Kickstarter is if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to back it.

No anger here...

On his previous projects I was lucky enough to get the gilded version without any problem I didn't even read all the description and numbers, because I knew I would get a truly limited deck. This time when I get to the page all the gilded versions were sold out, so I was about to pledge for the non gilded version, but after read a bit the description of the project and realise that I would be paying $20 + shipping for a tuck swap a realise that was a nice move from JR to chas in extra money without any trouble at all, so I had to decide if that was acceptable or not. I don't know if you are new here, but I remember a time when a tuck swap for $20 wasn't acceptable, but since this is JR it seems that it is not the case anymore. As you said no one is forcing you to buy anything, so if before you buy anything you could get any extra information I think that's a good thing...

KS running interference asking 100.
JR being an Artist, not physicist, loses track of the numbers, goes back to plan A.
Which being the normal 200.
Can't blame the feller for supplying to the obvious demand.
Now, can you ?

sms69x wrote:

dcmcalirep wrote:

jerichoholic wrote:

sms69x wrote:So $20 plus shipping for a deck?? isn't this a little too high? yeah I kown "but only 850 exist", kinda wrong.. If you consider the players edition I would say this is a blant tuck swap to force people pay a premium price for a very unlimeted deck (in the sense that there will be way more that 2500 of these produced - otherwise all KS projects are limited, even those that sell 5K+). So JR got here a nice move to cash in a lot of money with a simple tuck swap! Well done!

I for one was able to get a gilded deck and for $36 + shipping can't complain that much. At least this is truly limited at 100... oh sorry 200, not that good on math!

That's exactly what it is. A tuck swap to make extra money. $20 is the same as the first 2 decks.

And I apologize if I was out of line earlier, I just dislike bs.

I'm not sure where all the anger and surprise is coming from. Jackson has produced "players editions" on previous projects, so this isn't a new concept. Also, on the Emerald and Scarlett Tally Ho's Jackson had 200 gilded decks produced. So it looks like he's simply following what he's done previously.

The great thing about Kickstarter is if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to back it.

No anger here...

On his previous projects I was lucky enough to get the gilded version without any problem I didn't even read all the description and numbers, because I knew I would get a truly limited deck. This time when I get to the page all the gilded versions were sold out, so I was about to pledge for the non gilded version, but after read a bit the description of the project and realise that I would be paying $20 + shipping for a tuck swap a realise that was a nice move from JR to chas in extra money without any trouble at all, so I had to decide if that was acceptable or not. I don't know if you are new here, but I remember a time when a tuck swap for $20 wasn't acceptable, but since this is JR it seems that it is not the case anymore. As you said no one is forcing you to buy anything, so if before you buy anything you could get any extra information I think that's a good thing...

When I mentioned anger, I wasn't referring to you. I'm not new at all to card collecting, and I have all of Jackson's previous Tally Ho's. If you look at the pricing structure for this campaign along with the number of decks he is releasing and compare it to the campaigns for Emerald and Scarlett, it looks pretty much the same. That was my only point. I wasn't trying to stir the pot.

Bruno wrote:KS running interference asking 100.
JR being an Artist, not physicist, loses track of the numbers, goes back to plan A.
Which being the normal 200.
Can't blame the feller for supplying to the obvious demand.
Now, can you ?

KS isn't asking for anything or interfering. And one doesn't have to be a physicist to do math not that it has anything to do with math.

Tzzzzzz.

Is there a way to block the indecipherable Bruno-Victor flame wars?

Getting pretty tired of both of them.

As for this project, I'm glad the display decks are back!

Uh I wasn't flaming anyone?

It's not cool watching victor nail his own feet together, is it ?
He does not perceive at all well, yet criticism is his choice, and failure.

I was only calling out the blatant dishonesty. Fact of the matter is his previous projects all had 200 decks and suddenly he makes 200 available here. Why bother with a blatant lie of only 100 if that likely was never the plan?

Just settle down, if you don't like it then block me and stop reading my comments

jerichoholic wrote:Uh I wasn't flaming anyone?

Now you need to edit like crazy here.
You have been singeing JR's beard all night.

edit. sigh. you have been blocked since forever, don't you worry about that tiny detail.
finito.

jerichoholic wrote:I was only calling out the blatant dishonesty. Fact of the matter is his previous projects all had 200 decks and suddenly he makes 200 available here. Why bother with a blatant lie of only 100 if that likely was never the plan?

Just settle down, if you don't like it then block me and stop reading my comments

I was watching his Youtube hangout and before Pearl started he talked about wanting to do the KS "make 100" limited. At 15 Legacy's he goofed the Gilded to 120. When the 15, not 50 Legacy error was mentioned in the hangout, he said hates figuring out tier numbers because he stinks at that math, even using a spreadsheet.

100 was the plan. If you want to say anything is fishy it's that any backer can add as many Player decks as they want for $10 US/ $12 Int.

Maybe he should allow people to pledge for just the players if they want.

I don't have the gilded Scarlett Tally Ho so I'm not missing out since I have a bunch of other gold gilded decks. Also it doesn't matter to me the quantity production of a deck as long as I got one.

I wasn't impressed with the renderings for the Limited Pearl tuck so I decided to just pledge for 1 and added $20 for 2 Players versions. The Players tuck looks spectacular to me anyway. I figure more bang for the buck - 3 decks for $45 instead of 2 decks for the same amount of $$$.

I apologize for making such a big issue about it before.

jerichoholic wrote:I apologize for making such a big issue about it before.

Meh.

For the record, there is nothing above that I take any pride in.
Not one thing.

Victor, Bruno, you are both grown men and this has got to STOP. You are disrupting the flow of several threads. Please find a way to end this incessant bickering. Thank you.

With you there mate, could not agree more.
Not doing this for my health, is it.
Given the choice, I'd rather be up th'Yukon with th'mules.

I didn't do anything to Bruno

The legacy edition of the pearls looks just like the emerald legacy's, very generic and disappointed, im starting to regret backing it. He should of did like the African dark wood with white lettering that said "tally-ho " or just another dark wood so the series would have 2 light wood legacy's and 2 dark wood legacy's. The emeralds are the only ones i dont have because they look like poop, the colors he used are ugly. His fame will pry be short lived if he wants people to pay $200+ for recycled ideas/looks. He pry just had extra emerald wood legacy cases and put the pearls in them to benefit himself financially. It's a sad sad day for kickstarter. The individual pearl decks look sick though.

Sms69x
He does say only 200 gilded, but if you take a closer look at the picture it says 100? Very confused

Originally it was just 100 but he had a miscalculation and has to increase it

Cheffboii wrote:The legacy edition of the pearls looks just like the emerald legacy's, very generic and disappointed, im starting to regret backing it. He should of did like the African dark wood with white lettering that said "tally-ho " or just another dark wood so the series would have 2 light wood legacy's and 2 dark wood legacy's. The emeralds are the only ones i dont have because they look like poop, the colors he used are ugly. His fame will pry be short lived if he wants people to pay $200+ for recycled ideas/looks. He pry just had extra emerald wood legacy cases and put the pearls in them to benefit himself financially. It's a sad sad day for kickstarter. The individual pearl decks look sick though.

The African dark wood doesn't have white or any writing on it, just a fancier seal.

If you don't want the pearl Legacy get extra player's deck and sell them both.