Sherlock Holmes - Moriarty Edition Reprint - Playing Cards

[vjose32]

I apologize for starting anything or for making any accusations. But there are others who believe that crap.

[bhong]

So I figured I'd chime in here as a crew member on Jackson's project and artist for The Hive deck (sorry for dropping names already).

But it's quite easy to overlook the K/J error. More often than note, you're not looking for that as you assume it's correct and it's a bad assumption to make as it's quite easy to make that mistakes in Photoshop when you're editing all these files. I wouldn't even want to begin to tell you the stuff we caught with The Hive. When you spend all day look at your own files, it's hard to see errors and sometimes, especially for double side stuff, you assume if the top is correct, the bottom has to be.

As for all the money that Jackson has made, well, a lot of that money went into the Kickstarter project. I'm not privy to Jackson's expenses, but from a rough guess, it's easy to see where the money has gone: to producing and fulfilling the Kickstarter project. If Jackson was producing a cheap deck, than sure he'd be rolling in the money right now, but he's not. He's creating a really expensive deck and throw in the cost of shipping plus the packaging material, which is pretty amazing this time around for the Sherlock KS and beyond, that 12$/deck is pretty much spent as it is.

The reason the Moriarty V2 tuckcase was changed was so it would be easily recognizable for collectors to tell them apart. Sometimes the simplest reasoning, might be the best one.

And if you're really that upset about the reprint, please don't buy it. We all don't need to own every single deck in the world. Sometimes having less is way better.

Obviously, my opinion is biased, but like a lot of others, I think it's a good solution to an unfortunate mistake that happened. Like Jackson pointed out, he's got a lot of ideas and he'd want to spend it working on other projects as lot of us would too. I love the Moriarty deck and gladly got the reprint, but I'd love to see what Jackson has next up his sleeve instead.

[CBJ]

I apologize for starting anything or for making any accusations. But there are others who believe that crap.

so.. this really never was a rumor. .. this is your opinion



EDIT: My comment doesn't really make sense anymore because Victor edited his post while I was making my post.

[vjose32]

Well I guess I was wrong to call it a rumor, but it's not my opinion. I heard it from someone on Facebook who heard it from a few other people. I just shared it on here to see what people thought.

[shadowkat]

I think the obvious answer is that no one missed any errors. The deck was perfect. After it was approved, Moriarty went in and changed it up!

[chach]

I think the obvious answer is that no one missed any errors. The deck was perfect. After it was approved, Moriarty went in and changed it up!

I think the only thing funnier than that is VJose's conspiracy theory. That guy needs to loosen up his tinfoil hat thinking this is a marketing ploy, or maybe he just caught some of sprouts' second hand smoke and could help himself? I'd be willing to bet that Jackson has lost more customers than he's gained with this snafu which just sucks. I can easily see how the errors were missed, there were what, four decks plus the ltd edition deck, all with 56 cards that needed to be gone through and scrutinized. Keeping all that straight would be a logistical nightmare, surprised nobody went cross-eyed during the campaign actually.

[Sher]

I'd be willing to bet that Jackson has lost more customers than he's gained with this snafu which just sucks. I can easily see how the errors were missed, there were what, four decks plus the ltd edition deck, all with 56 cards that needed to be gone through and scrutinized. Keeping all that straight would be a logistical nightmare, surprised nobody went cross-eyed during the campaign actually.

I really hope Jackson doesn't lose customers. If anything, I hope people see past the mistake and realize Jackson's honestly and willingness to try and remedy the mistake.

And I agree, four is a lot to keep track of in one campaign. The Holmes and Moriarty were supposed to have the same courts initially, and Jackson was awesome enough to make the Moriarty edition have its own separate courts... Maybe in revising them that's when the mistakes happened. But still, it was from good intent. He didn't have to change the courts (since we initially expected the Holmes and Moriarty to have the same) , but he did, just so we could have more variety in the decks.

[Gareth]

I'm just stating what other people are saying, not saying that I necessarily agree with them

I've heard people say it appears this is coming from a total nut job.

Not saying I agree with it, it's just what people are saying...

[Mike Ratledge]

I'd be willing to bet that Jackson has lost more customers than he's gained with this snafu which just sucks. I can easily see how the errors were missed, there were what, four decks plus the ltd edition deck, all with 56 cards that needed to be gone through and scrutinized. Keeping all that straight would be a logistical nightmare, surprised nobody went cross-eyed during the campaign actually.

I really hope Jackson doesn't lose customers. If anything, I hope people see past the mistake and realize Jackson's honestly and willingness to try and remedy the mistake.

And I agree, four is a lot to keep track of in one campaign. The Holmes and Moriarty were supposed to have the same courts initially, and Jackson was awesome enough to make the Moriarty edition have its own separate courts... Maybe in revising them that's when the mistakes happened. But still, it was from good intent. He didn't have to change the courts (since we initially expected the Holmes and Moriarty to have the same) , but he did, just so we could have more variety in the decks.

I dunno, Shermaine (and chach). I think if anything I've seen quite a few people that missed out on Sherlock Holmes' original campaign chime in that they are glad they had an opportunity to buy some of them. I really don't think Jackson is losing customers - at all. Look at how quickly this reprint funded - under 24 hours.

I added you to our "Deck Artist" group.

[vjose32]

Like I said before this wasn't my theory, I just shared it.

[bhong]

As Jackson has freely stated on another playing card forum, the cost of the Moriarty deck, with the special hand applied custom foil seals, will cost 16000$ and that doesn't cover the cost of fulfilment. There's no need to worry as I know that Jackson is more than willing to put up his own money upfront for backers on this project.

It's always hard to judge things whether it's a positive or a negative. I think and I hope that backers see the honesty of Jackson's gestures and how hard he's working to fix something when he could easily just wave it off. I think a lot of people have taken things in stride and if nothing else, we're all humans and prone to human errors.

I think the obvious answer is that no one missed any errors. The deck was perfect. After it was approved, Moriarty went in and changed it up!

Best theory yet and I think this is all part of a greater scheme by Moriarty to take over the world ....

And thanks for the status upgrade, Mike.

[nECr0MaNCeD]

so you have to wonder how he and so many other people could have missed those mistakes, not just 1 mistake, but 5 cards with mistakes, i'd think it would be pretty easy to spot some of them.

There are never hows or whys associated with accidents or mistakes. That's why there are accidents and mistakes.

If anyone wants an example of Jackson's integrity you can send them to me. A little over a month ago I ordered two Branded Reserve notes from his site. They went out First Class instead of Priority. Because of a web site glitch that amounted to about $2. He sent me a Silver Certificate deck. Free. Anyone who would send a $25 product to make up for a $2 mistake is as honest as it gets but $25 is a far cry from $16000.


@Jackson... Sorry about my post about shipping and customs. I was just making a joke about shipping and customs in general. I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

[vjose32]

You know it would have been nice if Jackson just covered the shipping cost for the reprints, would solve a lot of complaints I've seen and would be a nice gesture. It could be just for those who backed the previous campaign.

[JacksonRobinson]

You know it would have been nice if Jackson just covered the shipping cost for the reprints, would solve a lot of complaints I've seen and would be a nice gesture. It could be just for those who backed the previous campaign.

come back my project vjose32 I do cover your shipping cost.

[vjose32]

I have backed it.

[Norbie]

.... I can easily see how the errors were missed, there were what, four decks plus the ltd edition deck, all with 56 cards that needed to be gone through and scrutinized. Keeping all that straight would be a logistical nightmare, surprised nobody went cross-eyed during the campaign actually.

There is one wish that JR could grant me, less individual decks in his Kickstarter campaigns. I realise his campaigns go for longer than 30 days so there is enough time to save for them, but still 2 decks would be perfect.

[cosmicsecret]

If Jackson does offer the reprint moriaty editions during the backer kit of the independence ks and a low vslue declaration for the ks pledgers, maaan That would be really great

[Ryric]

I am curious why the full new deck instead of just printing replacements for the misprinted cards? The Altruism Snow Owls had an issue with one of their queens and sent an envelope with a re-printed queen to anyone who purchased the deck.

Just an issue of minimum print runs, shipping costs or other economic factors (staying solvent)?

In any case, I didn't back the Holmes set initally - way too many decks involved in that project. I did grab one of the V2's though.

[Maddest Hammer]

Might be something to do with USPCC's 2500 print run minimum. 2500 sheets of 4 different cards is a mountain. As the mistake rests on Jackson, and not a printing error, he would have to pay for it, or say oops sorry about the deck you can't use, or do a quick campaign, and offer refunds to those who don't want it.

I, and a lot of folks, think he's making the best of a bad situation. That people are continuing to question his ethics, integrity, and business strategy is beyond me. I'm keeping the original Moriarty decks, and getting the new ones, and don't doubt for a minute that this was anything but an honest mistake.

Like it or don't, but to me this question has been asked and answered

[Strag]

Well, less than 2 hours to go, nothing has been posted about possible solutions to International shipping so I'm not going to be able to back. Supposedly I have a refund for my v.1s coming (I considered these true error decks and because they were virtually unplayable they had no value to me) and I was hoping to order v.2s but just doesn't make sense for me to do so International so I guess I'll have to pass on them.

I really want to trust the following statement but it's just too vague and might not even apply to me since I asked for the refund.

I also wanted to let everyone who is an International backer of the V2 Moriarty project I am putting together a great some exciting stuff for you guys to make up for the extra shipping you are incurring for backing both the V1 and V2 projects.

I do love the Feds and the (correct) designs for the Sherlock decks but really not super happy with the way this one has gone.

[Yashi]

I think Jackson has something figured out. He does always come out with surprises at the end.

[Strag]

I think Jackson has something figured out. He does always come out with surprises at the end.

I get that, but I can't just do $36 for 2 decks that were supposed to be right the first time and would have cost me less as part of a larger shipment.

[Mike Ratledge]

You've got 20 minutes. I would get some. You never know what Jackson has up his sleeves.

[cosmicsecret]

I think Jackson has something figured out. He does always come out with surprises at the end.

I get that, but I can't just do $36 for 2 decks that were supposed to be right the first time and would have cost me less as part of a larger shipment.

Exactly my point!

[sinjin7]

I don't think its possible for there to be a perfect solution to this error, but Jackson isn't trying to scam us as has been suggested, he's just trying to make up for it the best he can. When the first errors were announced, I didn't think it was too big of a deal, especially since I'm not a hard-core Holmes junkie. But when the second errors were announced, I almost decided to ask for a refund because I actually open and use my decks, and these are useless as a functional deck of cards. I don't think making a corrected second edition was a particularly elegant solution, but adding corrected cards in the second edition to make the first edition Moriarty's useable helped a little. I think the better solution would've been to reprint the corrected cards and send them out to backers like Blue Crown did when they had their error deck. Perhaps that wouldn't have been cost effective for Jackson or maybe it would've been too much of a logistical nightmare, but whatever the reason, he didn't opt for this solution.

I feel the pain of the international backers (even though I'm not one), but given Jackson's track record, I would hold on to the first editions, order the second editions and have faith that whatever exciting stuff he's offering (as vague as that statement is) will more than make up for the additional shipping costs incurred.

[Strag]

I don't think its possible for there to be a perfect solution to this error, but Jackson isn't trying to scam us as has been suggested, he's just trying to make up for it the best he can. When the first errors were announced, I didn't think it was too big of a deal, especially since I'm not a hard-core Holmes junkie. But when the second errors were announced, I almost decided to ask for a refund because I actually open and use my decks, and these are useless as a functional deck of cards. I don't think making a corrected second edition was a particularly elegant solution, but adding corrected cards in the second edition to make the first edition Moriarty's useable helped a little. I think the better solution would've been to reprint the corrected cards and send them out to backers like Blue Crown did when they had their error deck. Perhaps that wouldn't have been cost effective for Jackson or maybe it would've been too much of a logistical nightmare, but whatever the reason, he didn't opt for this solution.

I feel the pain of the international backers (even though I'm not one), but given Jackson's track record, I would hold on to the first editions, order the second editions and have faith that whatever exciting stuff he's offering (as vague as that statement is) will more than make up for the additional shipping costs incurred.

Yup I was fine with the first errors but not the second. Never said or suggested it was a scam though, just a rather non-optimal solution. With 3 minutes to go I did as another member suggested to me privately and just pledged at the non-International rate for two v.2s and hopefully we can figure out a way to get them without ridiculous shipping.

[JacksonRobinson]

Now that the project has funded I wanted to let you guys know what I will be doing to try and rectify the INT shipping burden. For every backer who didn't ask for a refund and backed both V1 and V2 Sherlock projects I will be doing the following to say thank you for trusting me that I would try to make things right.

I have created a special silver foil seal with the Kings Wild Treasury Seal on it. I will be giving ALL International backers a FREE Special Edition hand signed V1 Errored Moriarty Deck with this special seal on it. If you do not want the Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty deck then you will have the choice of getting a FREE V2 deck.

Every base pledge tier, for 1 Deck has a base int shipping charge of $10 when the add on INT shipping price is $2 per deck. For all Domestic Backers I will be offering to them the chance to purchase either a Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty Deck or a V2 Moriarty deck for only $8 so that they have the same opportunity as the International backers.

I have also made the decision the NONE of the V1 Moriarty decks will go on sale on the KW website ever, and the only way that anyone will be able to get a V1 or Special Edition hand signed V1 will be as a gift or discount for backing the second project.

If you were privately told by someone who I had already disclosed this info to and pledge as a domestic backer you will have the same opportunity as domestic backers to buy the Special Edition hand signed V1 or the V2 deck for $8. But I wish you would have had faith and trusted that I would have tried to do the right thing to the best of my abilities.

The Special Edition V1 hand signed will be limited to 1 deck per person.

To all of you guys you supported me even through mistakes thank you for your trust and continued encouragement.

[sms69x]

Now that the project has funded I wanted to let you guys know what I will be doing to try and rectify the INT shipping burden. For every backer who didn't ask for a refund and backed both V1 and V2 Sherlock projects I will be doing the following to say thank you for trusting me that I would try to make things right.

I have created a special silver foil seal with the Kings Wild Treasury Seal on it. I will be giving ALL International backers a FREE Special Edition hand signed V1 Errored Moriarty Deck with this special seal on it. If you do not want the Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty deck then you will have the choice of getting a FREE V2 deck.

Every base pledge tier, for 1 Deck has a base int shipping charge of $10 when the add on INT shipping price is $2 per deck. For all Domestic Backers I will be offering to them the chance to purchase either a Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty Deck or a V2 Moriarty deck for only $8 so that they have the same opportunity as the International backers.

I have also made the decision the NONE of the V1 Moriarty decks will go on sale on the KW website ever, and the only way that anyone will be able to get a V1 or Special Edition hand signed V1 will be as a gift or discount for backing the second project.

If you were privately told by someone who I had already disclosed this info to and pledge as a domestic backer you will have the same opportunity as domestic backers to buy the Special Edition hand signed V1 or the V2 deck for $8. But I wish you would have had faith and trusted that I would have tried to do the right thing to the best of my abilities.

The Special Edition V1 hand signed will be limited to 1 deck per person.

To all of you guys you supported me even through mistakes thank you for your trust and continued encouragement.

Thank you so much! You really deserve all the trust that we (at least I) put in you.

[sinjin7]

I'm pretty sure this special edition hand-signed v.1 Moriarty will be worth a whole lot more on the secondary market that whatever additional costs international shipping will be, so this is one time the international backers are lucky! I'm just glad that domestic backers will have an opportunity to obtain one of these decks as well.

This is a good solution and pretty fair in my book.

[wahl0108]

Now that the project has funded I wanted to let you guys know what I will be doing to try and rectify the INT shipping burden. For every backer who didn't ask for a refund and backed both V1 and V2 Sherlock projects I will be doing the following to say thank you for trusting me that I would try to make things right.

I have created a special silver foil seal with the Kings Wild Treasury Seal on it. I will be giving ALL International backers a FREE Special Edition hand signed V1 Errored Moriarty Deck with this special seal on it. If you do not want the Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty deck then you will have the choice of getting a FREE V2 deck.

Every base pledge tier, for 1 Deck has a base int shipping charge of $10 when the add on INT shipping price is $2 per deck. For all Domestic Backers I will be offering to them the chance to purchase either a Special Edition hand signed V1 Moriarty Deck or a V2 Moriarty deck for only $8 so that they have the same opportunity as the International backers.

I have also made the decision the NONE of the V1 Moriarty decks will go on sale on the KW website ever, and the only way that anyone will be able to get a V1 or Special Edition hand signed V1 will be as a gift or discount for backing the second project.

If you were privately told by someone who I had already disclosed this info to and pledge as a domestic backer you will have the same opportunity as domestic backers to buy the Special Edition hand signed V1 or the V2 deck for $8. But I wish you would have had faith and trusted that I would have tried to do the right thing to the best of my abilities.

The Special Edition V1 hand signed will be limited to 1 deck per person.

To all of you guys you supported me even through mistakes thank you for your trust and continued encouragement.

So do we fill out this info in Backerkit or where?