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Lotrek has mentioned that the Moresque players ed will be available at resellers eventually. So just wait for a retailer who will carry this deck and get it from them at a lower (hopefully) shipping price.alric wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:03 amSo basically $35 shipped for one deck. No foil on the cards. Probably questionable handling. Hard pass.Decknowledgy wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:28 am Wow.... it's a hefty €12 to ship to UK while the deck is €17....
Probably gonna pass
*sad highland noise*
I get shipping is going to suck, we Americans are spoiled in that regard, but it's still over $20 per deck not factoring in shipping. I like the art (it's Lotrek, after all) but the value just isn't there for me, not at $35 for one deck. I can get 2 Kings Wild decks for less, and Jackson's decks will be foiled with great tucks. I can get an Eye of the Ocean deck for less than $35, and Lorenzo's decks will be foiled and gilded with an awesome tuck. At the quantities the Moresque's will be printed in, there isn't even an artificial rareness factor at play. I guess I'll just be happy with my Arabesque players edition decks, which were in fact actually affordable.
KWP shipping outside the US is nuts and look at all the tuck variants he does now. He's also redoing over and over again Federal decks and I have to say I am over that design. I do like some of his newer decks but the amount of variants (and fake Artist Proofs which are really just overruns that he sells at a higher markup) and I don't think that's the comparison you want to make. I haven't bought directly from KWP in well over a year and don't miss it at all. I have picked up some decks in the aftermarket from local sellers and I can get them for less than buying direct when factoring in shipping and VAT/Customs fees. Personally I am quite happy with Lotrek's decks and he pushes the boundries of design in ways that make his decks truely spectacular. Of course, choice is what makes the world go around so you are free to choose to buy or not.alric wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:03 amSo basically $35 shipped for one deck. No foil on the cards. Probably questionable handling. Hard pass.Decknowledgy wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:28 am Wow.... it's a hefty €12 to ship to UK while the deck is €17....
Probably gonna pass
*sad highland noise*
I get shipping is going to suck, we Americans are spoiled in that regard, but it's still over $20 per deck not factoring in shipping. I like the art (it's Lotrek, after all) but the value just isn't there for me, not at $35 for one deck. I can get 2 Kings Wild decks for less, and Jackson's decks will be foiled with great tucks. I can get an Eye of the Ocean deck for less than $35, and Lorenzo's decks will be foiled and gilded with an awesome tuck. At the quantities the Moresque's will be printed in, there isn't even an artificial rareness factor at play. I guess I'll just be happy with my Arabesque players edition decks, which were in fact actually affordable.
And this my side of the story and you can add me praying I won't pay 19% VAT on top of it. Can we have at last one EU release without tears from overseas?
Exactly this! I can buy those same 2 decks with free shipping for £36 (Approx $51) from JP Games VAT included. No brainer for me for sure!masagin303 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:02 amAnd this my side of the story and you can add me praying I won't pay 19% VAT on top of it. Can we have at last one EU release without tears from overseas?
Are you telling me there are people who DONT live in America??masagin303 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:02 amAnd this my side of the story and you can add me praying I won't pay 19% VAT on top of it. Can we have at last one EU release without tears from overseas?
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Mod Magic request!!bdawg923 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:06 amAre you telling me there are people who DONT live in America??masagin303 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:02 amAnd this my side of the story and you can add me praying I won't pay 19% VAT on top of it. Can we have at last one EU release without tears from overseas?
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You nailed it there.. Congrats
Can you elaborate on the fake artist proof bit? This is the first I've heard that but would like to know the details if this has been confirmed. Is this common practice and just and ethical grey area? I've also been a little exhausted with KWP recently, between the block of wood, the founders edition (which was at the end of the day 5 different tuck boxes around a reprinted deck design) and the hand painted Scarlett decks.Strag wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 am I do like some of his newer decks but the amount of variants (and fake Artist Proofs which are really just overruns that he sells at a higher markup) and I don't think that's the comparison you want to make. I haven't bought directly from KWP in well over a year and don't miss it at all.
I would consider a true Artists Proof to be decks that the artists as had done as a test run, typically from a short run printer like MPC. In reality I’m pretty sure that what Jackson does is simply use the overruns from his LE subs and just puts an “Artists Proof” sticker on them instead of the LE serial number. I mean there’s no strict definition of what an AP should be, but this doesn’t work for me. I actually have a couple of them and I cannot see any different between LE and AP aside from the sticker vs serial number.istheis wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:29 amCan you elaborate on the fake artist proof bit? This is the first I've heard that but would like to know the details if this has been confirmed. Is this common practice and just and ethical grey area? I've also been a little exhausted with KWP recently, between the block of wood, the founders edition (which was at the end of the day 5 different tuck boxes around a reprinted deck design) and the hand painted Scarlett decks.Strag wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 am I do like some of his newer decks but the amount of variants (and fake Artist Proofs which are really just overruns that he sells at a higher markup) and I don't think that's the comparison you want to make. I haven't bought directly from KWP in well over a year and don't miss it at all.
All of them are sort of neat/interesting/valuable in their own way and ultimately, since there is a demand, I'm glad Jackson/KWP is able to profit off of their own work rather than resellers but I'm always shocked that people are willing to pay the upcharge for some of these things that to me feel sort of gimmicky.
You're confusing prototype, soft proof and proof. And yes, there are definitions of those things in the print industry.Strag wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 amI would consider a true Artists Proof to be decks that the artists as had done as a test run, typically from a short run printer like MPC. In reality I’m pretty sure that what Jackson does is simply use the overruns from his LE subs and just puts an “Artists Proof” sticker on them instead of the LE serial number. I mean there’s no strict definition of what an AP should be, but this doesn’t work for me. I actually have a couple of them and I cannot see any different between LE and AP aside from the sticker vs serial number.
Jackson has a big audience and a big business so cannot really blame him for getting what he can from the marketplace but I wouldn’t buy an AP again personally,
...Wait, I can put it in as an image link?? Why did nobody tell me!?! That's a [censored]-load easier for everyone.
IKR, after a deck that came with a €3488 discount and a €17 deck, I'm starting to wonder what's happened to the real Lotrek and who is this impostor offering reasonably priced decks in his place.Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:48 amDo you hear that Lotrék? Do us all a favor and add a cheap plastic layer next time instead of using an expensive metallic ink. You know we collectors are all about the artificial and not about the substancial.
How dare you Lotrék to make decks affordable! Next time please less decks and trice the price again - or four times? I'm not educated on what rareness is worth nowadays. Please and thank you
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Have no fear. I have a feeling Codex will come out in all it's foil glory with a price tag to match is magnificent splendor. Trumpets and horns will proclaim it's arrival and we shall all gather in the Hall of Athens with suitable tribute. Sadly, no Greek stamps will be included....IKR, after a deck that came with a €3488 discount and a €17 deck, I'm starting to wonder what's happened to the real Lotrek and who is this impostor offering reasonably priced decks in his place.
It is something else and I will fix it later today. 2 decks should still be 12 euros.redux wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:17 am What I find interesting is that when I add one Moresque deck (and nothing else) to the cart shipping is 12 €. When I add one Fable craft edition deck (and nothing else) the shipping rises to 27 €. Does this deck require so much more packing material or insured shipment or is it something else? Just out of curiosity...
This clears things up quite a bit, high prices are one thing, deceit is another. Thanks for the brief explanation, now back to the Lotrek praise lol.Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:24 pm A proof is a sample of the actual print run therefore, you should see no difference between a proof and standard deck
That I did not know.Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:24 pm […] A proof is a sample of the actual print run therefore, you should see no difference between a proof and standard deck...
You are 100% right I did confuse proof with prototype, my bad. Even so...Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:24 pmYou're confusing prototype, soft proof and proof. And yes, there are definitions of those things in the print industry.Strag wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 amI would consider a true Artists Proof to be decks that the artists as had done as a test run, typically from a short run printer like MPC. In reality I’m pretty sure that what Jackson does is simply use the overruns from his LE subs and just puts an “Artists Proof” sticker on them instead of the LE serial number. I mean there’s no strict definition of what an AP should be, but this doesn’t work for me. I actually have a couple of them and I cannot see any different between LE and AP aside from the sticker vs serial number.
Jackson has a big audience and a big business so cannot really blame him for getting what he can from the marketplace but I wouldn’t buy an AP again personally,
I personally would refrain from making accusitions when I don't have a clue about stuff and wouldn't throw mud at someone for no reason.
A proof is a sample of the actual print run therefore, you should see no difference between a proof and standard deck
1. Smurf Off may be my new favorite way to tell people offLotrek wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:15 pm Regarding shipping, I remember the first time I tried to buy Artisans from the T11 website. Shipping was more than the deck itself and my reaction back then was "WHAAAT? smurf off, I'm dropping it". Later of course I found out that the cost to send even a fart from the States to the world via postal service is indeed very high. Unfortunately, while Greece had one of the lowest rates before 2021, they now charge 11 euros to send a deck by registered mail. I add 1 euro for packaging material, handling etc. The good news is that this price is the same for 1 up to 3 decks and from 4 to 7 (I think) is another 4 euros so for more than 1 decks it gets more reasonable.
I think you're just full of hot air
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