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RichK wrote:From Kardify...

...$38 for the Limited Edition.

Yikes!

vasta41 wrote:No need to set your alarms, folks- JR hasn't had EBs for years now.

Sorry, but that's not so. The Maduro campaign had an EB tier for the "one of each" pledge. I should know, I got one.

Now, I guess I'll have to wait until someone drops theirs by the end of the campaign. There's much to like in these decks, but no way I'm gonna be up at 4:00 A.M. I need my beauty sleep.

While I don't need to for this campaign, my alarm goes off at 4AM. Got to get up and get going!

RichK wrote:From Kardify...

Both decks will be printed by the USPCC on air cushion embossed card finish. Pledge starts from $12 for the Standard Edition and $38 for the Limited Edition.

So that means at least $17 including shipping for the standard edition. PASS.

Gonzalo wrote:

vasta41 wrote:No need to set your alarms, folks- JR hasn't had EBs for years now.

Sorry, but that's not so. The Maduro campaign had an EB tier for the "one of each" pledge. I should know, I got one.

Now, I guess I'll have to wait until someone drops theirs by the end of the campaign. There's much to like in these decks, but no way I'm gonna be up at 4:00 A.M. I need my beauty sleep.

I stand corrected! I actually got one too I think. If you'd like I can try and jump on a one-of-each tier to reserve it for you and coordinate a time to "drop and swap" at a later date. Shoot me a PM if you're interested.

I missed the one of each EB, but the regular tier was only $5 more. Sometimes sleep does have a value. I am more worried about missing limited tiers with exclusive stuff. But, hey, $5 is almost the cost of a hamburger.

Brotha I hope you are enjoying Vegas... I was backer number 1 for you ...... You are all set

I got on a bit late. All of the one of each tier is long gone. The 2x of each are rapidly going. My guess is the 1x limited should start selling quickly as folks realize they can add on one regular deck for about the same as the tier that vanished. We will see how long the 6x of each type tier remains open. Nearly funded. As expected, this Jackson Robinson Kickstarter is vanishing quickly.

Excellent video by Thegentlemanwake.

Edit: Yep, the B1 1x Ltd. deck tier are starting to go fast...

Funded. 1 hour and 50 minutes.

Thanks Brad!

I’m glad the deck is all but funded. 98% there. It’s a very nice design. The USPCC printing will take it up a notch. The Ltd. box and courts are extremely original and the match gaff card is a brilliant touch. Consider this my endorsement. I have some minor nit picky things (but then I always do) and I’ll go into that when I release my more comprehensive preview vid on the channel in the coming days.


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I gotta admit, been disappointed by a lot of his work lately, but I knew he still had some life left and the limited edition of this deck is fantastic. Holy shit that price though, $75 for me, I just can't justify that.

No EB this time, but limited decks are going fast. If JR does release a Display deck option, it'll only be for the LE backers as per his comment:
@Allan Rousselle I haven't decided about the display decks for the LTD just yet. If I do it will be for the backers of the LTDs only, to keep the exclusiveness of the LTDs intact.

GW, I was amazed to see your video being used as the promo for JR's project! He usually uses his brother's company to do it for him. You've come a long way in a very short time. Keep up the great work.

I have to say that based on what he's shown us on KS, I find the creativity of the theme and incorporation of design to be one of the best I've seen on KS recently. It beats his Maduro deck easily. Love the tribute to old pre-20th century designs, including the 101 Morgans as MIke so correctly pointed out on pg 1.

Great touches like the large pips, but with the index to make it practical for us 21st century folks. The older standard court designs to fit the aged vintage look. The full 1 way courts for the LE edition.

JR has really put a lot of thought into his work recently (not counting the Olive Tally-Ho which was just continuing his tribute to his new born daughter) in pushing playing card design to different areas. It's refreshing and hopefully it will challenge KS playing card designers to come up with something new. So tired of seeing the same old recycled themes and colour changes. (My bank account is happy about that though)

Adonael wrote:I gotta admit, been disappointed by a lot of his work lately, but I knew he still had some life left and the limited edition of this deck is fantastic. Holy shit that price though, $75 for me, I just can't justify that.

Have you considered using a shipping consolidator service for KS projects or US online purchases? As I'm from Malaysia, I know how painful it gets for shipping, especially when it gets lost. Losing KS packages have been sadly too frequent for me.

So I started browsing the available options for Malaysia and decided to use one. It really lowers down the cost of shipping and allows us to take advantage of free US shipping, any special sales like the recent 4th July/Summer sales and Black Friday/Cyber Monday.

It really helps reduce to heart attack moments when you see the shipping cost total and the anxiety of missing packages.

Here are the things I like about this project: Printed by the USPCC and the cards are really colorful. That's about it. I'm not really seeing what others are liking so much about this deck.

Here are the things I don't like about this project: 1000 decks is not "limited". It's about the typical print run of most custom playing card projects on KS. This might be the most "limited" decks Jackson ever did in a single project. $38.00 for a not really that "limited" deck. I don't find the "limited" tuck box so compelling that I would pay $26.00 more for it than the standard edition. I don't like that he's charging $3.00 to ship a single standard deck, yet he's charging $4.00 to ship a single "limited' deck. We all know both decks will cost exactly the same amount to ship, so what Jackson's really doing is charging $39.00, not $38.00, for his "limited" deck. I'm not a fan on the one-way courts, and the Kings and Jacks don't look attractive to me because their legs are so spindly and small - it's like he ran out of room at the bottom of the one-way court.

What make me really curious is why isn't he using EPCC? I guess selling 1000 "limited" decks to make $39,000.00 helps offset the profit margin from the Asian printers.

I'm not really going to argue with someone over qualia, their subjective reaction to an art piece, so I'll give you that.

To be fair, however, the limited decks are full-bleed with an entirely different back design and the courts are quite different between the two decks, so it's more than 3 out of 54, it's 12 out of 54 with different backs. I think Arthurian Camelot had a similar print run, actually, it did at 1,000 decks.

Do I think it's a bit outlandish to charge $38 a piece for the limited decks? Yeah, then again, I'm not really helping things with a 2 x 2 pledge. What I am hoping is that the extra profit from the limited run goes towards a larger print run of the standard deck. But, that's just my naive optimism speaking.

Then again, this is capitalism, Jackson's an artist and they have to make money, too, in this land of milk and honey.

Love the LTD artwork. But it's $50 for me. LTD deck 10/10. LTD tuck box 0/10. STD tuck box 10/10. STD deck 0/10. Will probably order one LTD uncut or buy a player's edition aftermarket (if available).

@sinjin7: Asian printers are more expensive than uspcc (printing+shipping). thanks.

Adonael wrote:I gotta admit, been disappointed by a lot of his work lately, but I knew he still had some life left and the limited edition of this deck is fantastic. Holy shit that price though, $75 for me, I just can't justify that.

Yeah $90 for the pair is about $25-$30 more than I'd be willing to pay for ANY pair of decks. I know ScoMo's f---ed over the Australian consumer in recent weeks with the VAT changes, but that's a ludicrous price point for 2 decks. Has anyone explained to him that [some] Australians can pay the VAT ex parte at a later date?

Jackson remodulated the quantities so now there should be more opportunities to get the tier you want

sinjin7 wrote:Here are the things I like about this project: Printed by the USPCC and the cards are really colorful. That's about it. I'm not really seeing what others are liking so much about this deck.

Here are the things I don't like about this project: 1000 decks is not "limited". It's about the typical print run of most custom playing card projects on KS. This might be the most "limited" decks Jackson ever did in a single project. $38.00 for a not really that "limited" deck. I don't find the "limited" tuck box so compelling that I would pay $26.00 more for it than the standard edition. I don't like that he's charging $3.00 to ship a single standard deck, yet he's charging $4.00 to ship a single "limited' deck. We all know both decks will cost exactly the same amount to ship, so what Jackson's really doing is charging $39.00, not $38.00, for his "limited" deck. I'm not a fan on the one-way courts, and the Kings and Jacks don't look attractive to me because their legs are so spindly and small - it's like he ran out of room at the bottom of the one-way court.

What make me really curious is why isn't he using EPCC? I guess selling 1000 "limited" decks to make $39,000.00 helps offset the profit margin from the Asian printers.

Yup. Agree 100%. I'm out this time and it's not because I don't like the design or theme. If these were $12 shipped, I'd think about it. Sure, they're fully customized but not worth $15 IMO with no bling.
I do commend Jackson for being able to sell his products at a premium. I mean, why shouldn't he make money? But I'm not prepared to give him my money this go-round. Especially with his blatantly obvious shipping up-charge as sinjin pointed out. It's one thing to increase his profit margins by charging so much for his decks. But to do that with shipping too? Wow, the balls... Again, good for him for getting away with it but I'm all set. And you can have your waaay overpriced "limited" tuck.

Eric Lee wrote:I find the creativity of the theme and incorporation of design to be one of the best I've seen on KS recently.

Guy... it's a tiger.

Eric Lee wrote:It beats his Maduro deck easily.

I could not disagree more.

hmmmm shipping a deck actually costs more than $3 or $4, AFAIK, and that without counting the lost packages, errors, etc etc.

Man, I love the pips, but $100 for 2 of each deck? I'm gonna have to think about this one.

There is almost nothing I like about these decks at all. Great execution, but zero appeal.

sinjin7 wrote: What make me really curious is why isn't he using EPCC? I guess selling 1000 "limited" decks to make $39,000.00 helps offset the profit margin from the Asian printers.

Well... Considering how controversial some of his EPCC decks have been lately... How is this even a question..?

Since I recently cancelled my pledge to that crappy Mint 2 project, I'm gonna invest half of that money into this campaign. I'm not sure what makes the LEs worth $38, but I like them a lot. I would gladly pay $20 for them without hesitation. I guess he's/I'm lucky that I have funds to reallocate.

TwoPiece. I think you make a good comparison. Which deck would you rather put your put up your money to get, the Mint Foiled Frost deck that is foiled and limited to 3,500 decks (USPCC printing), or the Jackson Robinson Tigers Ltd deck and custom tuck for $38 (USPCC printing) limited to 1,000? I could make a case for either one.

On the plus for the Mint Foiled Frost, I really like foil and I like the clean look of the Mint Foiled Frost deck. The series so far has been hugely successful and the deck's value has held up well despite the large print runs. Neutral, $26 isn't a bargain for a foiled deck, but all things considered isn't a bad price either. Negative, I am not a fan of marked decks and the design doesn't knock me off my feet.

Tigers Limited Deck - On the plus, I really like the design. I think this is a really creative deck and taking playing card design forward. I also like the creative tuck case. I think the design fits much better and will be more playable, which was a concern with his Madero design. Jackson's decks have also tended to hold up okay in value and I am really glad to see him go back to USPCC. I am thinking though this deck may hold up better than some others, but that is my opinion and really impossible to tell at this time, but Jackson also has a strong but smaller following. $38 doesn't seem steep for me given that this is a differently designed deck from the regular version and a really custom tuck. It reminds me in general to his Arthurian Campaign the most, but has a lot of differences. I am not seeing any major negatives other than possibly the price.

If I had to chose between the two, I would go for the Tiger Limited deck hands-down. If for no other reason than I like it more. Luckily, I can swing both decks.

As I start shipping decks around places, I am beginning to appreciate how incredibly expensive it is to ship decks internationally. It is sure as heck not free and does make a big dent in the total cost.

sinjin7 wrote: I'm not a fan on the one-way courts, and the Kings and Jacks don't look attractive to me because their legs are so spindly and small - it's like he ran out of room at the bottom of the one-way court.

I have been trying to figure out why the courts look weird to me and this is it! You hit the nail on the head there.


As for the deck I do really like both of them despite the stick legged courts and I was interested in the ltd edition but I can't get down with the price. We can argue that the LTD deck is worth the price because of this change or that but to me it basically comes down to the fact that I'm not willing to pay $25 for a box.

Bradius wrote:TwoPiece. I think you make a good comparison. Which deck would you rather put your put up your money to get, the Mint Foiled Frost deck that is foiled and limited to 3,500 decks (USPCC printing), or the Jackson Robinson Tigers Ltd deck and custom tuck for $38 (USPCC printing) limited to 1,000? I could make a case for either one.

On the plus for the Mint Foiled Frost, I really like foil and I like the clean look of the Mint Foiled Frost deck. The series so far has been hugely successful and the deck's value has held up well despite the large print runs. Neutral, $26 isn't a bargain for a foiled deck, but all things considered isn't a bad price either. Negative, I am not a fan of marked decks and the design doesn't knock me off my feet.

Tigers Limited Deck - On the plus, I really like the design. I think this is a really creative deck and taking playing card design forward. I also like the creative tuck case. I think the design fits much better and will be more playable, which was a concern with his Madero design. Jackson's decks have also tended to hold up okay in value and I am really glad to see him go back to USPCC. I am thinking though this deck may hold up better than some others, but that is my opinion and really impossible to tell at this time, but Jackson also has a strong but smaller following. $38 doesn't seem steep for me given that this is a differently designed deck from the regular version and a really custom tuck. It reminds me in general to his Arthurian Campaign the most, but has a lot of differences. I am not seeing any major negatives other than possibly the price.

If I had to chose between the two, I would go for the Tiger Limited deck hands-down. If for no other reason than I like it more. Luckily, I can swing both decks.

As I start shipping decks around places, I am beginning to appreciate how incredibly expensive it is to ship decks internationally. It is sure as heck not free and does make a big dent in the total cost.

I just really want these decks, and I don't want to pay $60 on the aftermarket for them. Despite the price not being great, it's likely the lowest that I'll be able to pay to get 'em. If he does display decks for them, then I'll get a couple and sell an LE+Display set later on to make up for it.

One thing I cannot stand on the limited deck are those horrendous court cards where the tiger heads appear superimposed. They do not even seem to blend into the design

TwoPiece wrote:

sinjin7 wrote: What make me really curious is why isn't he using EPCC? I guess selling 1000 "limited" decks to make $39,000.00 helps offset the profit margin from the Asian printers.

Well... Considering how controversial some of his EPCC decks have been lately... How is this even a question..?

Since when has Jackson ever given a damn about negative feedback from his numerous controversies? Plus, back in the day when he used to come to UC, he would tout how great his relationship with Kalush is, how easy it is to work with the Asian factories, how they could do things the USPCC couldn't (although it turns out Kalush couldn't, either), how EPCC donates to veterans (they don't), how the quality of the Asian factories are just as good as USPCC (and if cardists couldn't tell, we just need to #practicemore), how he didn't see himself printing with anyone other than Kalush (unless it's a trademark issue where he could only use USPCC, as is the case with his Tally Ho variants), and on and on. Anyone who's been paying attention over the years should know about Jackson's strong preference for EPCC, and we also know he's a stubborn guy that's not likely to change and doesn't take criticism. So this is why it's still even a question.

After the Thunderdome, Jackson actually reached out to me with the help of Marcus, and we buried the hatchet for a while and we had a lot of conversations about the industry. He even gave me his phone number with the invitation to call anytime if I wanted to shoot the breeze with him about playing cards. He knows my preference for the USPCC and I tried to steer him that way, but trust me, he's very invested with the Asian factories. After Legal Tender, we're no longer on speaking terms because I got so fed up with his indifference towards the whole Taiwan/China debacle, so I don't know where his head's at anymore and it's a genuine surprise to me he went with the USPCC.

My best guess is that he was forced to do so because of trademark issues with him borrowing elements from The Russell & Morgan Co.'s Tiger 101 deck. But it would've been so easy to modify the tigers and change the Joker to get around that, plus it's clear the Chinese factory has complete disregard for any of the US commercial and IP laws anyway.

CupcakeBaron wrote:

sinjin7 wrote: I'm not a fan on the one-way courts, and the Kings and Jacks don't look attractive to me because their legs are so spindly and small - it's like he ran out of room at the bottom of the one-way court.

I have been trying to figure out why the courts look weird to me and this is it! You hit the nail on the head there.

badpete69 wrote:One thing I cannot stand on the limited deck are those horrendous court cards where the tiger heads appear superimposed. They do not even seem to blend into the design

I get that Jackson's trying to emulate the courts from the original Tigers 101 deck and he's trying to blend those courts into tigers, but I think it could've been executed a little better. Either way, Jackson's Tiger deck seems very popular given the funding of his KS.

sinjin7 wrote:

TwoPiece wrote:

sinjin7 wrote: What make me really curious is why isn't he using EPCC? I guess selling 1000 "limited" decks to make $39,000.00 helps offset the profit margin from the Asian printers.

Well... Considering how controversial some of his EPCC decks have been lately... How is this even a question..?

Since when has Jackson ever given a damn about negative feedback from his numerous controversies? Plus, back in the day when he used to come to UC, he would tout how great his relationship with Kalush is, how easy it is to work with the Asian factories, how they could do things the USPCC couldn't (although it turns out Kalush couldn't, either), how EPCC donates to veterans (they don't), how the quality of the Asian factories are just as good as USPCC (and if cardists couldn't tell, we just need to #practicemore), how he didn't see himself printing with anyone other than Kalush (unless it's a trademark issue where he could only use USPCC, as is the case with his Tally Ho variants), and on and on. Anyone who's been paying attention over the years should know about Jackson's strong preference for EPCC, and we also know he's a stubborn guy that's not likely to change and doesn't take criticism. So this is why it's still even a question.

After the Thunderdome, Jackson actually reached out to me with the help of Marcus, and we buried the hatchet for a while and we had a lot of conversations about the industry. He even gave me his phone number with the invitation to call anytime if I wanted to shoot the breeze with him about playing cards. He knows my preference for the USPCC and I tried to steer him that way, but trust me, he's very invested with the Asian factories. After Legal Tender, we're no longer on speaking terms because I got so fed up with his indifference towards the whole Taiwan/China debacle, so I don't know where his head's at anymore and it's a genuine surprise to me he went with the USPCC.

My best guess is that he was forced to do so because of trademark issues with him borrowing elements from The Russell & Morgan Co.'s Tiger 101 deck. But it would've been so easy to modify the tigers and change the Joker to get around that, plus it's clear the Chinese factory has complete disregard for any of the US commercial and IP laws anyway.

"I prefer USPCC!" "Why's he printing with USPCC!?"

Everyone will complain about everything these days. Apparently there's no satisfying you. It's like begging for $20, and when someone gives it to you, "where'd the money come from?" Who cares? Why bother? That's why it shouldn't even be a question. Just bloating the topic with more crap.

I couldn't care less why he's printing with USPCC. I'm glad that he is because I think that the vintage design will look better with their stock/finish.

TwoPiece wrote:Just bloating the topic with more crap.

On the contrary he is pointing out some good information and filling this topic with facts. When new decks are posted that don't meet your standards you certainly don't hesitate to label them "crap" without so much as offering any constructive criticism whatsoever. Just because you adore certain artists, i.e. Jackson, doesn't mean they're immune to criticism. If you don't like sinjin's comments, IGNORE THEM.

For the record, here is TwoPiece's initial commentary on Jackson Robinson's Flywheel decks:

0% interest from me.