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Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:53 pm**

*pop corn*

This is fun, I'm enjoying this.

*pssst* reprint everything.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:02 pm**

james001a wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:40 pm Im not seeing any controversy here. Just a bunch of fellow collectors and a creator having a productive discussion in a forum designed for such a thing. Its perfect. That's why I love UC.

Perception is a choice. People see what they want to see and what they project.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:13 pm**

I personally love the idea for the reprint to be more accessible for everyone else. No matter what people say or tell me, I hate the idea of having to pay stupid prices in the after price for any deck (of course that's not to say I haven't done that because for sure I paid stupid prices for some decks I wanted). As Bradius mentioned/implied, I support people's projects mainly because of who they are/have become and the credibility they have built over the years (of course the deck has to be somewhat decent at least to support the project, but this for me is secondary). HoTRS is a very classic deck, one deck that I feel EVERYONE (old/new collectors) should have without having to pay ridiculous prices. It's too bad the stock used in this deck is discontinued because they felt great! While it looks like even if Lorenzo does end up doing a reprint, it'll be slightly different due to the thinner cards and such, but if the original stock was still around, I would for sure be up for Lorenzo doing reprints in the exact same way the first versions were printed!

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:40 pm**

As has already been said: you can't please everyone. It's like buying something in the shop only to find out that they have a sale next day; you're cheesed off because you didn't know there was a sale coming, but others are happy because there is a sale on. (It's not a perfect analogy!)

I have one or two decks stashed away "for a rainy day" but the other 450+ (brag) I have bought for the art and for the art alone, so I personally would have no problem with a reprint. We all know that Lorenzo is a smart man

and he will do what he thinks best after what I would presume will be a thorough investigation.

On a lighter note, I would like to point out that this discussion started on the 17th day of the month on the 17th page of this topic so, as far as I'm concerned, the gods have spoken.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:18 pm**

Timmargh wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:40 pm As has already been said: you can't please everyone. It's like buying something in the shop only to find out that they have a sale next day; you're cheesed off because you didn't know there was a sale coming, but others are happy because there is a sale on. (It's not a perfect analogy!)

I miss your old avatar.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:17 pm**

Decknowledgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:45 pm
james001a wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:40 pm
Decknowledgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:20 pm Feels weird how one single post can escalate to this level of controversy. Someone's definitely taking it too seriously (or too trolly) to create a controversy.
Im not seeing any controversy here. Just a bunch of fellow collectors and a creator having a productive discussion in a forum designed for such a thing. Its perfect. That's why I love UC.
You will if you go to the Instagram post and look at the comments

Ugh I don't know WHY I go there. I dont even want to look.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:51 pm**

This is my feelings on re-prints:

If a designer advertised the original version as an exclusive limited deck never to be reprinted, and then (s)he goes ahead and reprints a v.2 months or years later, then I would call B.S. This move is called "Pulling a Buck" (see the S&M fiasco).

If a designer made no such warranties of an exclusive, limited, never to be reprinted deck, then (s)he is free to do whatever they want. But I think designers have to be mindful of the balance that must be struck between their original loyal supporters and the new wave of fans who may not be able to access the original deck, either due to lack of availability or excessive after-market prices. As many have already stated, I think the proper balance would be a v.2 deck that is slightly modified to differentiate the reprint from the original. This way, the original deck's value is preserved to a good degree while allowing access to a fantastic deck for those who were previously unable to obtain one.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:58 pm**

Agreed.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:02 pm**

Oh crap I just called Lorenzo Giovanni on IG. I think I just had my first "senior moment" at age 46. So embarrassed.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:35 pm**

james001a wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:02 pm Oh crap I just called Lorenzo Giovanni on IG. I think I just had my first "senior moment" at age 46. So embarrassed.

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Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am**

Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:39 am**

Still... I would love to have a Crown or Red Label V2.. a brick too.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 am**

kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!

That's the spirit.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:01 am**

Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 am
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!
That's the spirit.

Even if it's a Room 17 brick?

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:53 am**

kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!

Not gonna try

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:37 am**

Kurama wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:01 am
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 am
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!
That's the spirit.
Even if it's a Room 17 brick?

ESPECIALLY room17 brick!!! Hell you might not yet know how many Ravn i got.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:44 am**

kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:37 am
Kurama wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:01 am
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 am
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!
That's the spirit.
Even if it's a Room 17 brick?
ESPECIALLY room17 brick!!! Hell you might not yet know how many Ravn X LTD i got.

I don't... I only know how many Room 17 I have

I'll be more reasonable this time

... I have to!!!!

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:17 pm**

Kurama wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:44 am
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:37 am
Kurama wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:01 am
Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 am
kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:32 am Well, reprint or not, V1 or V2 or V3, i will get brick of all. You guys can't stop me!
That's the spirit.
Even if it's a Room 17 brick?
ESPECIALLY room17 brick!!! Hell you might not yet know how many Ravn X LTD i got.
I don't... I only know how many Room 17 I have
I'll be more reasonable this time ... I have to!!!!

Don't be so strict with yourself! Just go with your feeling!

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:07 pm**

I couldn't quite swing a brick. I will settle for 2/3rds of a brick or Room17 decks.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 pm**

Sigh. It’s so tough to find a Room17 when it’s a fairly recent deck!

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:14 pm**

Bradius wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:07 pm I couldn't quite swing a brick. I will settle for 2/3rds of a brick or Room17 decks.

No one will believe you getting less than 2 bricks

. Please leave some for us too.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:43 pm**

supernova wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 pm Sigh. It’s so tough to find a Room17 when it’s a fairly recent deck!

Haven't you already got 6? I remember seeing your collection on reddit some times before?

Posted: **Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:50 am**

kasuma99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:43 pm
supernova wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 pm Sigh. It’s so tough to find a Room17 when it’s a fairly recent deck!
Haven't you already got 6? I remember seeing your collection on reddit some times before?

Nope u must have been mistaken. I’m still waiting to get one (not six) shipped to me!

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:26 pm**

I wanted to add that I did go back and look at the HotRS Kickstarter and Lorenzo's other Kickstarter campaigns. In his first Kickstarter, Requiem, Lorenzo was very clear about the exclusivity language.

Requiem Card Deck will exist only here on KickStarter. There will not be a reprint.

That is fairly explicit language. I didn't find anything close to similar language in other Stockholm17 campaigns and certainly not in The House of the Rising Spades Campaign.

I say this to be clear that Lorenzo did not provide any language in the House of the RIsing Spade campaign to expect that this deck can't be reprinted. Lorenzo did not make such a promise. As I keep thinking this through, Sinjin's comment "If a designer made no such warranties of an exclusive, limited, never to be reprinted deck, then (s)he is free to do whatever they want." is correct. His further comments are also comments I can agree with. My earlier comment that a creator needs to clearly state that they reserve the rights to reuse or reprint the deck in the future were wrong, and frankly didn't age well with me over the span of even a few days reflection.

Anyway, I am sorry I am bringing this topic back up, but I felt an amendment to my earlier comments were warranted.

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:23 pm**

Bradius wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:26 pm I wanted to add that I did go back and look at the HotRS Kickstarter and Lorenzo's other Kickstarter campaigns. In his first Kickstarter, Requiem, Lorenzo was very clear about the exclusivity language.

Requiem Card Deck will exist only here on KickStarter. There will not be a reprint.
That is fairly explicit language. I didn't find anything close to similar language in other Stockholm17 campaigns and certainly not in The House of the Rising Spades Campaign.

I say this to be clear that Lorenzo did not provide any language in the House of the RIsing Spade campaign to expect that this deck can't be reprinted. Lorenzo did not make such a promise. As I keep thinking this through, Sinjin's comment "If a designer made no such warranties of an exclusive, limited, never to be reprinted deck, then (s)he is free to do whatever they want." is correct. His further comments are also comments I can agree with. My earlier comment that a creator needs to clearly state that they reserve the rights to reuse or reprint the deck in the future were wrong, and frankly didn't age well with me over the span of even a few days reflection.

Anyway, I am sorry I am bringing this topic back up, but I felt an amendment to my earlier comments were warranted.

this just shows you have the personal depth for introspection. This is a great quality in a person. Not to get to zen but to be able to set aside your ego (the thing in everyone that wants to be right or not back down) and grow your opinion off of another persons opinion. Ya love to see it (fortnite meme)

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:22 pm**

I have no idea what is going on here, but uhm... hello XD

First of all, the House of the Rising Spades made me realized that a deck of playing cards can be used to tell stories! It's amazing how Lorenzo can come up with these whole idea! When I am looking at the court cards - which are uniquely one way and full drawn, I fell in love with them. Each has their own lore and such. And the symbols implemented to it, I quickly suspect it is a code!

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:29 am**

Rising Spades made me realized that a deck of playing cards can be used to tell stories! It's amazing how Lorenzo can come up with these whole idea! When I am looking at the court cards - which are uniquely one way and full drawn, I fell in love with them. Each has their own lore and such.

The Gentleman Wake made one of his best deck reviews on the House of the Rising Spade with his own guesses on the stories for the court cards.

https://youtu.be/jPaD-AncRg0

And the symbols implemented to it, I quickly suspect it is a code!

Yes, it is a code. There was a contest and the decoded message was provided. I forget the actual text.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:17 pm**

Bradius wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:29 am [...] I forget the actual text.

Room 17 transcript.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:36 pm**

Bradius wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:29 am Yes, it is a code. There was a contest and the decoded message was provided. I forget the actual text.

Before the actual contest, I already figure it out on some of the runes. So before the contest, I quite get some of it.... well... if only I am not so dumb enough to get stumped on the iG story part -3- If only I know the first part is a date to iG post, could have solved it already.

I love the lore that wraps around Room 17 deck - I would LOOOOOVE if Lorenzo creates a novella of the House of the Rising Spades (or since he is the expert in playing cards designing, would probably allow someone to write the stories for him). Also, I would love to create fanarts based on the characters in the House of the Rising Spade. Oh the deck totally touches my soul now.

Posted: **Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:22 pm**

RED ALERT - RED ALERT
Lorenzo released this news on his Instagram to announce this:
Teaming up with Rare Playing Cards, he will be releasing House of the Rising Spades Cartomancer SECOND EDITION. The changes from the original one will be: the tuckbox (yet to be revealed) and the 55th card which is a card with runes, will be replaced with another Joker that is the Fool illustration from the Keymaster Tarot. Printed in Cartamundi in B9 slim-line, since the true linen finish is gone (the Parlour cards is said to be the last one with the said finish)

Any thoughs?
My thoughts... well.... since pretty much most of the cards are remain the same, don’t think I am going to snatch this very quickly

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