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Speaking of shooting foot.TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:31 pm SO according to kicktraq the Beetle Backs will close at $126k. If the trend of the last few days continues it could be 127k.
Obviously 600% is 135k. Not easy. But I'd be willing to make the prismatic faces happen at 130k. But the last day will be a whirlwind.
Like they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
Every success I’ve had in this business has been predicated by anticipating and predicting rather than reacting. If I’m reacting it’s usually a bad thing. There’s nothing left for me to do on the campaign but anticipate the end of it.Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:02 amSpeaking of shooting foot.TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:31 pm SO according to kicktraq the Beetle Backs will close at $126k. If the trend of the last few days continues it could be 127k.
Obviously 600% is 135k. Not easy. But I'd be willing to make the prismatic faces happen at 130k. But the last day will be a whirlwind.
Please cross that bridge when you get there Omar.
That is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
Thats another "no good answer" situation. My first thought was "offer them as an add-on for beetle backs" not really as a thing to increase funding (though it would add...some) but because it's still KS that way. But even that is going to be viewed negatively by some portion of the backers..you cant please everyone. But the other option is to as you say...just have them sit at GW and how does that end other than in a dumpster. Im indifferent to the whole "KS exclusive" (far as Im concerned those promises should mostly say "will not be REPRINTED", not necessarily infer that they will never be sold outside of KS after the KS+minimums/contingency gets printed) idea but that particular deck interests me so Im biased on making it available again.TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
If you are going to release kickstarter exclusive editions in the future, how about declaring that extra prints will be printed in case of exchanges, etc., and any extras will be sold at a later date only to those who purchase the exclusive edition?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
Trust me. I don’t trust the projections either. But what I can see is our daily pledge rate. And for the last three days we’ve been sitting at 1.3k a day. Which lines up for a 127k end. Now of course this can change day to day. Weekends are always slower. But the last days of the campaigns for tempest and Parlour did see a bump to 3k a day for the last three days. This campaigns trajectory looks more similar to those two than the outlier successor. Although the economy and market are different now of course. Finally the projections I took were the bottom ones. If you look at the optimistic projection from backerkit we are gonna hit 170k. Not likely.Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:49 amThats another "no good answer" situation. My first thought was "offer them as an add-on for beetle backs" not really as a thing to increase funding (though it would add...some) but because it's still KS that way. But even that is going to be viewed negatively by some portion of the backers..you cant please everyone. But the other option is to as you say...just have them sit at GW and how does that end other than in a dumpster. Im indifferent to the whole "KS exclusive" (far as Im concerned those promises should mostly say "will not be REPRINTED", not necessarily infer that they will never be sold outside of KS after the KS+minimums/contingency gets printed) idea but that particular deck interests me so Im biased on making it available again.TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
As for campaign trajectory, I would take the trackers with a sams club amount of salt, Ive never seen them be even remotely correct and card campaigns dont usually have the KS last 48hour rally as people get knocked off the fence. Often quite the opposite as people make final decisions on all their addon decks.
1am GMT? Sign me up!TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:31 pm [...]
I'm going to be streaming on the final day of the campaign from 6pm to the last minute at 8pm eastern on Dec 8th. It's a friday. Hope everyone will join me on my youtube channel as we count down.
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
Thanks Randy, I appreciate the insight! I've never ventured to any conventions. Don't know if there are any Gotham City Gentleman Cons out there. lolRandyButterfield wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:54 pmTheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 amThat is correct. Sitting at gamblers. It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers. I will likely offer a few as special giveaways.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:05 amLike they're just sitting in a warehouse now? Have you considered offering them for sale again to Successor backers?TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:25 am I did that with the Successor Legacy edition and ended up being saddled with an extra 200 units I couldn't/can't sell.
I had a similar situation many years ago (a lot of leftovers I couldn’t sell online). It was around 2015 / 2016. I had been attempting aggressively to get some money from Alex Pandrea for my half of the White / Obsidian ORNATES Decks (10 different Decks in total). I knew how much everything cost with USPCC, and how much TBC received from the Kickstarter and Wholesale orders, so I knew there were plenty of profits. After many months, I gave up on it and demanded that Alex sent me the rest of the Decks in stock. Luckily, he did. But there was over 1,200 different Decks (100-250 of each variation). I didn’t even have a storefront yet, so I had no easy way to sell them online. Plus the ORNATE sales were pretty much at their limit with online collectors and KS Backers.
So, I decided to try something out of the box. I started selling at a few Comic Cons and Summer Festivals. At first it was just the leftover ORNATES, some early Draconians, Rome, Grinders and Bowl-A-Rama. It went beautifully! Fast forward to now - the ORNATES have all been sold out for many years, and I usually have a wide variety of 26-30 different Decks at any show. And I’ve created a lot of designs based off of the experience with casual buyers at shows. That includes all of the Euchre Decks I’ve done over the years.
Your problem would be selling expensive Decks to casual buyers. A majority of them would NEVER pay more than $12 for any Deck of Playing Cards! You wouldn’t make huge profits on the expensive Decks, but it’s better than them sitting at Gamblers. This year I sold at 20 different Comic Cons, Juried Art Shows, Summer Festivals and Holiday Shows. It’s definitely something to look into.
Thanks, Randy
I don't have any plans of selling them now. In person or otherwise.Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:18 pm I have a complex thought on that. First, Im not that far north of Omar so theres a 50% chance if he did that it would be something I could get to. But...I dont know of that many opportunities in this area. Also for some producers (and he would be one) I would be a little upset that decks I want are only being sold in the midwest or west coast (or Europe).
Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:18 pm I have a complex thought on that. First, Im not that far north of Omar so theres a 50% chance if he did that it would be something I could get to. But...I dont know of that many opportunities in this area. Also for some producers (and he would be one) I would be a little upset that decks I want are only being sold in the midwest or west coast (or Europe).
Why would you show up and not tell your fans to come to see you? I was already struggling at the potential return on investment for the original idea.RandyButterfield wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:46 pmEvilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:18 pm I have a complex thought on that. First, Im not that far north of Omar so theres a 50% chance if he did that it would be something I could get to. But...I dont know of that many opportunities in this area. Also for some producers (and he would be one) I would be a little upset that decks I want are only being sold in the midwest or west coast (or Europe).
How would you know of a show he would be selling at though? There’s no need for vendors to do any advertising for these shows. You pay a booth fee, and then the show uses a percentage of those fees towards advertising and marketing for the show. I never post about any show I’m doing. I have run into a few people who have bought my Decks on Kickstarter. They’re just happy to see you! I even ran into the new USPCC vice president a couple months ago at Cincinnati Comic Expo. He and his wife are very nice. We talked for at least 20 minutes about Playing Cards.
Also, there’s shows everywhere! Large cities like Indianapolis, Miami, Detroit…. have multiple variations of Comic Cons, Summer Festivals, Juried Art Shows and Holiday Shows throughout each year (minus the Covid year). Even smaller towns have multiple shows available. Once you look, you’ll see them everywhere. Zapplication.commis the best spot for the Art Shows. Once January hits, there will lots of listings for each state in the U.S.
Thanks, Randy
I'd be PISSED and probably at (in this example) Omar for enabling it.BTW the legacy is currently going for $138 on ebay. Oooof.
Well that's a shame -- I skipped them during the campaign because my pledge was already so high, and I'd absolutely buy one nowTheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 am It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers.
You'd sell stock and previous backers would be happy! Right now only the scaplers winThis seems awfully unfair to me -- he's sitting on $6,000 worth of product, what would you do in that situation?
I would too, but I get it, and I put a lot of stock on people keeping their word.hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:10 pmWell that's a shame -- I skipped them during the campaign because my pledge was already so high, and I'd absolutely buy one nowTheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:41 am It feels like Selling them would be going back on my word. Even if they are to previous customers.
Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:56 pm
Why would you show up and not tell your fans to come to see you? I was already struggling at the potential return on investment for the original idea.
besides if I didnt know and then I saw the result was this
I'd be PISSED and probably at (in this example) Omar for enabling it.BTW the legacy is currently going for $138 on ebay. Oooof.
(is that fair on Omar? probably not...but this is the internet....)
I mean it was a $31 deck originally...but your point probably still stands with the casual crowd, a pretty "blingy deck"RandyButterfield wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:14 pm
The $138 price would definitely be a tough sell though. No casual buyer would pay even close to that amount for any Deck.
Thanks, Randy
