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STLBluesNut wrote:I will put in the unpopular vote for the white tuck.

I like the green, but I much prefer the white.

robcan0630 wrote:

TheGentlemanWake wrote:

vasta41 wrote:

TheGentlemanWake wrote:As of now the idea is they will be made available in the following manner (STILL To be finalized--subject to change)

Brick + LTD (400 available) $170 . (LTD comes out to $30)
Parlour Collector's Set (377 available) $90. Includes EB Pair, Black Deck Add-on, Free COIN, and LTD comes out to $45.

EDIT: We don't know how fast they will go. We think we will hit 100k however, which of course will include a free gaff pack (14 cards) for everyone in Brick tiers. Subject to change caveat.

I'm confused by this. Does that mean you're creating new tiers?

That's correct. People will be able to move into the new tiers by simply managing their pledges.

So we lose the early bird brick price to move to the new tier with the LTD deck?

We dont want that. lets see how we can adjust. perhaps EB can simply add the LTD. its gets crazy logistically. lol. we will figure it out

Once again openness is simple (like the EB period that started this campaign)... Limitedness... Is not.
Oh well...

I like the white better as well, but if I could pick I think a dark red would be the best and fit the theme of the beetle as an earth tone color. Whatever color you decide on, I think it would be better if the shade was darker on the card backs so that the gold can pop.

I think that's the idea. NO additional LTD decks. We want to give everyone the chance to snatch one. of course we know that some folks will use the multiple accounts loophole but there's little we can do about that.

Huh? What? Who would do that?

Please ignore the tapping in the background as I set up some more Kickstarter accounts...

Can't decide about the tuck case yet but the green/gold back is awesome!

Bradius wrote:

I think that's the idea. NO additional LTD decks. We want to give everyone the chance to snatch one. of course we know that some folks will use the multiple accounts loophole but there's little we can do about that.

Huh? What? Who would do that?

Please ignore the tapping in the background as I set up some more Kickstarter accounts...

Gotta make those 400 accounts fast :/.

Gonna have to vote for green, white+gold is just too boring for me.

I know that green is sort of KS colour but I like the white deck more than I do the green. Apart from everything else, it would also create a nice pairing colour-wise. Blue and red, black and white. Just my two cents.

KS/UC Green FTW.

So just came back from 5 days in Vegas.... can someone summarize the last 5 pages in 1 sentence or 2? Extra deck color TBD when can we add and is there a limit?

I'm also trying to recalibrate here after coming back from a week-long travel
What I'm anxious about is which tiers get the chance and what date-time will it be released, but I'm 100% trusting TGW and Lorenzo to work that out Please don't leave us outside of the gate!

PrincessTrouble wrote:KS/UC Green FTW.

+1000

but seriously, that green is a really beautiful shade - def reminiscent of the green poker table felt lol - and, although I'd agree with MTapp that white is the obvious choice in pairing with the black, it's also super predictable, safe and boring imho - besides, this is the pinnacle deck of the entire campaign so why not go big and go bold with something that's really gunna stand out as it deserves to

I also think accenting the designs in white rather than grey as shown in the rendering would give it a much more striking contrast but might also seem too heavy-handed if it's not the right shade... def take some time getting that juuusst right because you also don't want the gold foil in combo with the shade(s) of green to make everything come off as too yellow-toned overall, so striking a balance will be important - maybe just stay clear of warm shades of whites - just worth considering

can't wait to see more - this campaign has been one exciting ride and we greatly appreciate you sharing so much with us here at UC - you're the best! <3 <3 <3

PipChick wrote:

PrincessTrouble wrote:KS/UC Green FTW.

+1000

but seriously, that green is a really beautiful shade - def reminiscent of the green poker table felt lol - and, although I'd agree with MTapp that white is the obvious choice in pairing with the black, it's also super predictable, safe and boring imho - besides, this is the pinnacle deck of the entire campaign so why not go big and go bold with something that's really gunna stand out as it deserves to

I also think accenting the designs in white rather than grey as shown in the rendering would give it a much more striking contrast but might also seem too heavy-handed if it's not the right shade... def take some time getting that juuusst right because you also don't want the gold foil in combo with the shade(s) of green to make everything come off as too yellow-toned overall, so striking a balance will be important - maybe just stay clear of warm shades of whites - just worth considering

can't wait to see more - this campaign has been one exciting ride and we greatly appreciate you sharing so much with us here at UC - you're the best! <3 <3 <3

Yep, I agree with Amy on all of this.

Romeril wrote:

PipChick wrote:

PrincessTrouble wrote:KS/UC Green FTW.

+1000

but seriously, that green is a really beautiful shade - def reminiscent of the green poker table felt lol - and, although I'd agree with MTapp that white is the obvious choice in pairing with the black, it's also super predictable, safe and boring imho - besides, this is the pinnacle deck of the entire campaign so why not go big and go bold with something that's really gunna stand out as it deserves to

I also think accenting the designs in white rather than grey as shown in the rendering would give it a much more striking contrast but might also seem too heavy-handed if it's not the right shade... def take some time getting that juuusst right because you also don't want the gold foil in combo with the shade(s) of green to make everything come off as too yellow-toned overall, so striking a balance will be important - maybe just stay clear of warm shades of whites - just worth considering

can't wait to see more - this campaign has been one exciting ride and we greatly appreciate you sharing so much with us here at UC - you're the best! <3 <3 <3

Yep, I agree with Amy on all of this.

Me 3.

I thing if the idea is going to be just go big and bold I would rather see a really stunning purple. Like a royal deep bright purple.

I think TGW and Lorenzo qualify as playing card royalty.

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Hey, all.

I'm one of the silly backers who went in for a brick (early bird), and I remain as excited as ever for this project. I am seriously considering ordering a second brick, which is insane (albeit a slow day for Bradius).

That said, while I stand to benefit as a brick backer, I'm going to have to echo the sentiments expressed by others that *all* of your backers should have an opportunity to acquire one of these super special, extra neat-o extremely limited decks. Yes, there's a real possibility that you'll blow past your original goal of a "777" print run, but it's possible you won't go *too* far over given that you are aiming for a price point of roughly $30 per brick backer and $45 per non-brick-backer.

You can still give some love to brick backers by having that price differential (and if you do, thank you kindly!), but if you allow your backers to add on *just one* deck each, as long as they have backed for at least, I don't know, a pair? Three decks? Or, a minimum pledge of $XX (whatever dollar amount you think makes sense) before adding on the new deck, I think you'll preserve the special-ness of the deck while showing the love to all of your many, many backers.

This, in turn, will help you build brand.

It will *possibly* raise more money for you than you'd originally budgeted, which is presumably a good thing.

And, it will still keep the print run of these super special extra decks lower than the number of reds, blues, and blacks printed.

And, if that means a little extra work for you guys, or a slightly longer wait time for people who have added this deck to thier pledge, well... just remind yourself, "this extra effort is bringing me and Lorenzo this extra $$$." And, remind your backers, "you wanted something a little extra, and I promise it's going to be worth the extra wait!"

If you wanted a campaign with less effort, you'd also have a campaign with more limited reach and more limited financial rewards. Speaking of reach: isn't that the point? To expand the brand? The more people who finish this campaign excited by the results in their hands, the more positive associations with your growing brand.

As I mentioned above, not *all* backers will pony up the extra $45 to grab that extra deck. So, either way, you win: either less extra work, or more money for the additional extra work.

So, yeah. That's my pitch. On behalf of everybody, I think you can't lose by pursuing a one-extra-special-deck-per-backer approach, with $30 per for brick backers and $45 for everyone else.

Except, of course, for Bradius and I, who would like a dozen of the new decks, each.

rousselle wrote:[A lot of sense]

A brick at $30 each is just $360. That is the same cost for an Arabesque Silver and Gold on eBay. Pfft. Chump change. Will I get a special brick box?!!!

The green one is nice, but the white one is much classier!

Here's an idea... To make everyone happy, just produce both.

While Allan made a great pitch, mine is much simpler: Surely the benefits of making all of your backers happy (and avoiding making some of your backers miss out) outweighs the benefits of having a print run of some arbitrary number?

I really love that you guys are really confident that we will sell 777 decks at an average price of $37. But just to share some numbers that I hope should calm your fears of missing out. There are over 500 backers in tiers of $26 or less. Those folks are highly unlikely to upgrade to a LTD deck when they haven’t upgraded to a black one. I really think everyone who wants an LTD will ultimately get one. Unless someone comes in an makes 100 fake accounts that is. Still thank you all for the great feedback. We will consider it all!


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Just to add. I’m a bit of a rookie at this. I’m relying on Lorenzo quite a bit for guidance. The truth is he had trouble selling 250 gatekeepers and that was my number one deck of 2019’


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A price point well below the Gatekeeper will bring a lot more folks into the game. Not sure why folks didn't snap up the Gatekeepers though. I thought the Gatekeeper bundle was an especially decent deal considering it has five decks and a custom carat case included with the awesome Gatekeeper case.

Also remember the playing card community seems to be growing, so directly comparing to an older campaign might not be totally fair

TheGentlemanWake wrote:There are over 500 backers in tiers of $26 or less. Those folks are highly unlikely to upgrade to a LTD deck when they haven’t upgraded to a black one. I really think everyone who wants an LTD will ultimately get one. Unless someone comes in an makes 100 fake accounts that is.

Do not underestimate this crazy playing card community...

TheGentlemanWake wrote:The truth is he had trouble selling 250 gatekeepers and that was my number one deck of 2019’

Most people here have heard my spiel about how I only collect playing cards and very seldom do I collect add-ons. I did not back the Gatekeeper because I considered it an add-on. Perhaps other people felt this way, that is to say it wasn't worth the extra money. The LTD deck is just that, one deck of playing cards. Mark my words- all 777 will sell. Has the success of this campaign taught you nothing? Don't sell yourself short (pun intended!).

Bradius wrote:A price point well below the Gatekeeper will bring a lot more folks into the game. Not sure why folks didn't snap up the Gatekeepers though. I thought the Gatekeeper bundle was an especially decent deal considering it has five decks and a custom carat case included with the awesome Gatekeeper case.

Again... The Gatekeeper is just a special tuck box. The deck inside was/is available at a better price. There wasn’t any card-relative incentive to back the Gatekeeper deck.

THIS KS-LE deck is not the same as the other 3 = incentive for backers to add-on/pledge for.

Sorry to insist. Without repeating those last very valid points: why complicate things? Keep going with the flow of those who clearly want you , then set the number of LTD decks to produce. I am clearly convinced that you will once again be astonished

That being said, I have the feeling that your mind is kind of set on this ... Whatever, I'll be as all-in as possible

Just a heads up to my folks in here.

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