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Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:45 pm
by rjtomlinson1977
I'm not sure why it's taking so long of KS to kick this guy off. I'm assuming he'll get kicked off tomorrow once everyone gets back from the Easter weekend. A lot of businesses were still off today.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:20 pm
by HudsonDesign
Fes wrote:Interesting to see that KS staff doesn't work holiday weekends haha. I have a feeling this will come down like a hammer on Monday or Tuesday.
I realized this today as well.
Talisman wrote:Is it possible that the person doing this was part of this forum at one time and got booted or had a failed Kickstarter project with criticism from this forum or the playing card community in general?
I also think something like this. I can't imagine the person running this thinks for a second it would ever fund. I think its a straight out troll at the community.
Lotrek wrote:DragonSoul wrote:The audacity of this scam amazes me. The numbers right now are 105 backers for $6339. That would be an average of $60 per backer! Geez, I already reported it for misrepresentation but, this suspicious funding is ridiculous.
The jerk obviously has pledged from another account to secure funding so that even if some backers cancel, he will still be able to steal some others' money.
No this isn't correct. While yes at my best bet he has actually pledged around $5000 himself (maths is easy enough if you check kicktraq) this has not been done to fund the project. The goal set was only $200. The project passed its funding goal in the first hour with genuine backers who fell for it. So pledging $5000 benefited in no way other than to make it look more legitimate. (If thats at all possible).
Kickstarter will most likely go back to work and cancel it after Easter but this is actually another really disappointing troll on the community IMHO. Its getting a little tiresome all the people intentionally trying to damage the community at the expense of genuine backers and collectors for some kind of sick laugh.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:33 pm
by Cbkimble
I don't think it's anyone that is/was a member but simple a troll that has learned how to work the system. This should definitely be brought up as an issue to KS. After this( and how long it's taking to be taken down ), I'm seriously debating boycotting KS.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:50 pm
by nECr0MaNCeD
Actually the second and last "Comment" from John Warnick is the same name as the creator. He commented from his own account. If this isn't a troll he has to be the dumbest inbred idiot ever.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:05 pm
by Eoghann
Pretty sure it's the autocensor, but some of Pierre's comments have been removed by Kickstarter. I think the ones where he was calling the guy a moron.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:15 pm
by badpete69
Hey what can i say i call em as I see em. I'm almost tempted to call the local news and show them how Kickstarter is enabling fraud by not doing anything hehe. Dan go to their corporate office in Greenpoint Brooklyn and go tell them in person hehe
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:23 pm
by WillHart CthulhuWho1
I hope that all the money currently pledged on this SCAM project is there to make the creator think he has a BIG paycheck coming!
While we know Kickstarter is going to kill this project; or everyone will pull their pledges just before it ends.
I'm tempted to also pledge big, just to enhance the height of the drop when everyone pulls out!
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:34 pm
by cherrynukacola
Kickstarter really needs to have someone looking at this stuff during holidays. What if this had started AND ended during the holidays?
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:04 pm
by HudsonDesign
cherrynukacola wrote:Kickstarter really needs to have someone looking at this stuff during holidays. What if this had started AND ended during the holidays?
100% this.
I was thinking exactly that. If this had been set with a three day goal and named something similar "EXTREMELY LIMITED EDITION 3 DAYS ONLY!!" how many people would have been stung? Kickstarter still would have been able to refund in the 2 weeks "funding" period (which I assume is probably exactly why its done this way) but the inconvenience, admin, bank fees, let alone the damage to their brand would be damning in the mean time.
To not have staff on at all during a 4 day weekend is really quite dangerous....
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:53 pm
by nECr0MaNCeD
HudsonDesign wrote:cherrynukacola wrote:Kickstarter really needs to have someone looking at this stuff during holidays. What if this had started AND ended during the holidays?
100% this.
I was thinking exactly that. If this had been set with a three day goal and named something similar "EXTREMELY LIMITED EDITION 3 DAYS ONLY!!" how many people would have been stung? Kickstarter still would have been able to refund in the 2 weeks "funding" period (which I assume is probably exactly why its done this way) but the inconvenience, admin, bank fees, let alone the damage to their brand would be damning in the mean time.
To not have staff on at all during a 4 day weekend is really quite dangerous....
Not to mention unprofessional.
I was wondering if LPCC has e-mailed KS or reported this.
Pierre and I comment bombed his comments to drive them from view. This way backers won't mistake his comments for legit comment traffic.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:01 pm
by badpete69
Lawrence Sullivan told me he would try and contact KS to clarify all this
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:06 pm
by Cbkimble
Maybe it's time to find somewhere else to fund cards.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:57 pm
by Eoghann
Wow I'm surprised this is still going. If I get some free time tomorrow, I might just give them a call and berate the KS gang.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:08 pm
by HudsonDesign
nECr0MaNCeD wrote:HudsonDesign wrote:cherrynukacola wrote:Kickstarter really needs to have someone looking at this stuff during holidays. What if this had started AND ended during the holidays?
100% this.
I was thinking exactly that. If this had been set with a three day goal and named something similar "EXTREMELY LIMITED EDITION 3 DAYS ONLY!!" how many people would have been stung? Kickstarter still would have been able to refund in the 2 weeks "funding" period (which I assume is probably exactly why its done this way) but the inconvenience, admin, bank fees, let alone the damage to their brand would be damning in the mean time.
To not have staff on at all during a 4 day weekend is really quite dangerous....
Not to mention unprofessional.
I was wondering if LPCC has e-mailed KS or reported this.
Pierre and I comment bombed his comments to drive them from view. This way backers won't mistake his comments for legit comment traffic.
Another thing is Lawrence can report him for breach of copywrite/trademark were as general users can not. It would get much more attention much quicker than a general backer reporting it...
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:56 am
by Cbkimble
And this is still going. WTF?!?
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:10 pm
by jerichoholic
Been reported to KS, USPCC, Legends, and the feds, only a matter of time now.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:49 pm
by Eoghann
We've received your request (#464956) and a member of our Community Support team will get back to you soon. Our support hours are 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. ET.
Our apologies for any inconvenience, but we're currently experiencing high volume and are working as quickly as possible to get back to you. Thank you for patience and please visit our FAQ and other help resources in the meantime:
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First response I get from Kickstarter after multiple reports and trouble tickets. Even if it's automated, it's something...
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:51 pm
by Eoghann
Finally a human has replied to another one of my tickets!
Your request (#464681) has been updated.
Hi Daniel,
Thanks for reaching out and taking the time to inform us of this. Our Integrity Team is currently investigating this project and looking at every report we've received. I'll make sure to pass along this report. Thank you for being a thoughtful member of the Kickstarter Community.
Best wishes,
Raul
Not long now.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:03 pm
by Cbkimble
Eoghann wrote:Not long now.
Yeah, but too long so far.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:15 pm
by nECr0MaNCeD
Cbkimble wrote:Eoghann wrote:Not long now.
Yeah, but too long so far.
Too long indeed and STILL going. I like how the one commenter, John Warnick is the creator himself. Commenting like he is a happy backer.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:09 pm
by badpete69
this is the response I got this morning
Hi Pierre,
I appreciate you writing in about this. I've forwarded your message along to our Integrity team, and they're already looking into the project. Thanks for helping out!
Best,
Marissa
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:34 pm
by ejay07
I did report the project last night. How many reports do we need for kickstarter to pay attention?
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:31 pm
by Cbkimble
It has to go through their integrity department first. What a joke.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:10 pm
by sprouts1115
Wow! I love the comments. You guy are pretty funny. That is why I keep coming here than
there. Yea, this Kickstarter has a lot of red flags. Who has a 10 foot pole to stick them with cos this Kickstarter is so bad I don't want to use mine?
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:58 pm
by volantangel
sprouts1115 wrote:Wow! I love the comments. You guy are pretty funny. That is why I keep coming here than
there.
Haha does anyone still visit "there" ?
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:39 pm
by dazzleguts
Anyone notice the John Mayer pic is gone now? He's trying to smooth it through.
If this doesn't hit the fan KS will suffer for it.
**edit
The comments have covered the profile pic changes - I was too slow
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:15 am
by Cbkimble
How long does it take for them to read dozens of reports reports, saying the same thing, and finally do something about it.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:47 am
by nECr0MaNCeD
Cbkimble wrote:How long does it take for them to read dozens of reports reports, saying the same thing, and finally do something about it.
Since this is so easily and quickly confirmed as a scan my thinking is that they are trying to trace or track to guilty party/parties. I am certain that this is not a scam as much as it is a joke or trolling attempt.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:52 am
by cherrynukacola
Integrity....it doesn't come quick...or cheap.
Re: Alchemy Playing Cards New Edition now live on KS (wap)
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:13 am
by Cbkimble
nECr0MaNCeD wrote:Cbkimble wrote:How long does it take for them to read dozens of reports reports, saying the same thing, and finally do something about it.
Since this is so easily and quickly confirmed as a scan my thinking is that they are trying to trace or track to guilty party/parties. I am certain that this is not a scam as much as it is a joke or trolling attempt.
I have to disagree. I think this is simply someone trying to take advantage of the card collecting community. Either that or someone trying to show how incompetent KS has become.