Sherlock Holmes - Moriarty Edition Reprint - Playing Cards

[Widdee]

I can sympathize with our non-US members. When I order products from Britain of France I expect to grab my ankles for shipping. Fortunately it is not that often, can't imagine how frustrating that is on small items like card decks where you want to collect many different ones. I wish there were a good solution.

[vjose32]

If Paul could reprint the Deco without another campaign then the same could be done here, nobody complained about waiting for them either.

Jackson why not option D - reprint the 5 affected cards and include it will all orders? Blue Crown did this with the Altruism. No need for another campaign or additional international shipping. Shouldn't take long for USPC to print them either.

[Mike Ratledge]

If Paul could reprint the Deco without another campaign then the same could be done here, nobody complained about waiting for them either.

Not even close to the same thing, Victor. This is a 4-deck series, all very different, only one of which was misprinted - not two similar decks that were both messed up. Paul had to ship nothing to his 700+ backers or wait - period, Jackson has 3 different decks that there is absolutely nothing wrong with and would have to either wait until the 4th one was reprinted (currently running closer to 10 weeks instead of 6-8) or create two shipments for almost every single one of almost 1400 backers.

[DukeBoy]

If Paul could reprint the Deco without another campaign then the same could be done here, nobody complained about waiting for them either.

Not even close to the same thing, Victor. This is a 4-deck series, all very different, only one of which was misprinted - not two similar decks that were both messed up. Paul had to ship nothing to his 700+ backers or wait - period, Jackson has 3 different decks that there is absolutely nothing wrong with and would have to either wait until the 4th one was reprinted (currently running closer to 10 weeks instead of 6-8) or create two shipments for almost every single one of almost 1400 backers.

Also if I remember correctly Deco was the first to use so much Metallic Ink on the Tucks and the tuck were messed up during the machine process of packaging. USPCC took the hit, or at least large portion of it and chalked it up to a well we won't allow that to happen again, learning curve mistake.

Also

It is 100% my fault and also 100% USPCC fault as well. Its my job to make sure the art is correct and I pay USPCC to make sure everything is correct before going to print.

Being in the print biz I have to disagree with you in regards to the %age of it being on USPCC. The errors on the names, how is USPCC required to catch that, did they have to hire a Doyle expert to come in and check your deck? Now the J's on the King should have sent up a red flag, but their job is to make sure your colors and design make it from the file to the paper.

[CBJ]

It just seems to me that there is absolutely ZERO way to please everyone.

This is the solution that is in motion. If people are not happy with the situation, get a refund and move along.

There really is nothing else that can be done at this point.


I for one am very okay with how Jackson is handling this, and I will most likely grab the corrected deck... and still keep my flawed deck.
And for those that don't know.. I'm an international backer.



Jay

[Mike Ratledge]

It just seems to me that there is absolutely ZERO way to please everyone.

This is the solution that is in motion. If people are not happy with the situation, get a refund and move along.

There really is nothing else that can be done at this point.


I for one am very okay with how Jackson is handling this, and I will most likely grab the corrected deck... and still keep my flawed deck.
And for those that don't know.. I'm an international backer.


Jay

Oh, I know, Jay. I just wish cooler heads would prevail. People are making this a problem when it really isn't one. If they don't want them, all they have to do is get their money back. Plain and simple: anybody who makes it more than that is just being a PITA.

[bamabenz]

This is an optimal solution.
You don't want the Moriarty deck? Get a refund.
You want to keep it? Np.
You want a corrected deck? Pledge for it.

BTW, I don't consider Moriarty V1 decks misprints.
They are undocumented Gaff decks.

/todd

[samurai007]

So, to be clear, there are 2 cards in the original edition that won't be in Moriarty v2, and according to this shot of the uncut sheet, they are a doublebacker and a very cool shot of Holmes and Watson on the street?



Before, there was no way I was going to get a refund and lose out on getting the Moriarty deck over errors that didn't affect playability. Now that the errors also include flaws that affect the usability of the deck, AND you are making a corrected reprint version, I'm very close to asking for a refund and using it to get v2. There is just 1 thing stopping me... that art card looks awesome! I don't care about the double backer, but I want that art card! Hmmm, gonna have to think about this...

[Mike Ratledge]

BTW, I don't consider Moriarty V1 decks misprints.
They are undocumented Gaff decks.

/todd

Kind of like an unconscious coupling?

[Eoghann]

Yeah that's a pretty neat card. That's the art Shane Tyree collaborated with.

[rjtomlinson1977]

It's too bad that mistakes happen but I think Jackson is handling this issue the best way that he can. In life you make mistakes and you learn from them. Speaking of proofs... I got mine today for Global Unrest. It looks like USPCC added a huge disclaimer (I don't remember this diclaimer when I got the proofs for Civil Unrest). It reads:
"Attached are your custom deck proofs for approval. Please review soft proofs carefully as the customer has final responsibility for accuracy. While we make every attempt to minimize errors in our pre-press preparation, sometimes oversights do occur. It is the customer's responsibility to review and ensure there are no errors. Once approved, the deck will be printed exactly as shown in the soft proofs (without the dielines). Per industry standards, oversights that require the project to be reprinted will be done at the customer's expense. "

[chach]

Granted I've never done a project with USPCC but that seems like a standard CYA disclaimer and more so should be considered common sense. I've had to have lots of artwork proofed when I was doing car show promotions years ago, it's all standard fair that what's on the approved proofs is what's getting printed and if there's a mistake with the proofs then it's the responsibility of whomever approved it. Now if there's a discrepancy between the approved proof and the final product then that's on the printing company.

Anyhow, I've pledged for the Moriarty v2 deck, looking forward to it. Good luck Jackson, you'll be needing it.

[nECr0MaNCeD]

Since I started collecting after Sherlock finished I didn't get in on that campaign. I pledged for the reprint and will buy the rest of the decks from the KW web site. Since I am OCD I'll also be getting the V1 deck.

On a side note. I can understand the pain felt by the international backers. I have many friends in Europe and know how badly they get bent over for shipping. I was wondering. What is the feasibility of having a bunch of international backers back through someone in the US, like me, and having me ship to them? ooops. I printed the wrong value. My bad. I know. Likely not possible without getting into trouble but I wonder if there isn't a germ of an idea there.

[vasta41]

Since I am OCD I'll also be getting the V1 deck.

Careful with that, man. You'll go broke in this business!

[Sher]

What is the feasibility of having a bunch of international backers back through someone in the US, like me, and having me ship to them? ooops. I printed the wrong value. My bad. I know. Likely not possible without getting into trouble but I wonder if there isn't a germ of an idea there.

Wouldn't you have to pay the same high international mailing fees as Jackson? Therefore the cost of shipping that international backers have to pay will be the same. Or are you saying they wouldn't have to pay high customs fees because you could mark them as "gifts"?

[Maddest Hammer]

What is the feasibility of having a bunch of international backers back through someone in the US, like me, and having me ship to them? ooops. I printed the wrong value. My bad. I know. Likely not possible without getting into trouble but I wonder if there isn't a germ of an idea there.

Wouldn't you have to pay the same high international mailing fees as Jackson? Therefore the cost of shipping that international backers have to pay will be the same. Or are you saying they wouldn't have to pay high customs fees because you could mark them as "gifts"?

I was actually thinking of that, as I don't have to pay customs fees. I would still have to pay shipping from Germany to anywhere in the EU (thus avoiding customs). Downside is, it's illegal...

[montecarlojoe]

BTW, I don't consider Moriarty V1 decks misprints.
They are undocumented Gaff decks.

Now that's an awesome way to look at it!

(Like how we It fellows call bugs "undocumented features" lol)

I'm picking these up too - the suped up tuck alone is probably worth it to the hardened collector. The combined shipping is an elegant soloution - kudos Jackson.

[volantangel]

What is the feasibility of having a bunch of international backers back through someone in the US, like me, and having me ship to them? ooops. I printed the wrong value. My bad. I know. Likely not possible without getting into trouble but I wonder if there isn't a germ of an idea there.

Wouldn't you have to pay the same high international mailing fees as Jackson? Therefore the cost of shipping that international backers have to pay will be the same. Or are you saying they wouldn't have to pay high customs fees because you could mark them as "gifts"?

If necro can help to consolidate several shipments into 1 big package, it would save us alot of money. I dont have to pay for custom fees anyways.

[JacksonRobinson]

I get the lowered value question alot for customs declaration forms.

For Kickstarter rewards its acceptable for me to put a low value as it is seen as a gift or reward for you pledging for the Kickstarter. However people get mad when purchasing from my site cuz I can't do the same thing as declaring an inaccurate amount on the customs form is a Federal Offense and that wouldn't be a smart move for my business or anyone else to gamble with.

[volantangel]

Jackson, will i be able to add on the new moriarty decks via backerkit for the Independence project ?

[sms69x]

I get the lowered value question alot for customs declaration forms.

For Kickstarter rewards its acceptable for me to put a low value as it is seen as a gift or reward for you pledging for the Kickstarter. However people get mad when purchasing from my site cuz I can't do the same thing as declaring an inaccurate amount on the customs form is a Federal Offense and that wouldn't be a smart move for my business or anyone else to gamble with.

Please do that! With the KS orders!
Here in Portugal "all" orders are submited to customs inspection. And if the value is above 22€ (~31USD), it will be taxed, and the tax is arround 1/3 of the total value of the order! So you can see, I pledged for $200+, in this case if you declare the value I'll ending up paying arround $67 in taxes! So you see for an international backer isn't easy to maintain the hobby, that's why people ask if thats a thing that you can do, as it would help a lot of international backers!

I found that if the sender isn't a company, then the order most likely, will not be subjected to inspection! Even if the declared value is higher than $50! But this is not a rule!

[vjose32]

Well there are rumors going around that this whole thing is a marketing ploy, done on purpose. You've got to wonder how Jackson, his team, Arthur Doyle, and USPC ALL missed this stuff, sounds too weird. And now if we don't like the mistakes, we have to buy another deck. If we want the complete set, we gotta buy another deck. One way or another it's a replacement that you pretty much gotta and will buy. He even made changes intentionally, and unnecessarily, to the second edition like the tuckcase, which he also had up and running very quickly on Kickstarter with all the mistakes fixed. For the amount of money he has made so far on all his Kickstarter projects he could have reprinted the decks or just the affected cards as I have suggested all along. Instead he's upsetting customers and practically forcing people to buy another deck. You be the judge though.

Now I know some of you will immediately jump on me because it's Jackson Robinson we're talking about, but if it was ANYONE else, you would be ripping them apart right now.

[CBJ]

Well there are rumors going around that this whole thing is a marketing ploy, done on purpose. You've got to wonder how Jackson, his team, Arthur Doyle, and USPC ALL missed this stuff, sounds too weird. And now if we don't like the mistakes, we have to buy another deck. If we want the complete set, we gotta buy another deck. One way or another it's a replacement that you pretty much gotta and will buy. He even made changes intentionally, and unnecessarily, to the second edition like the tuckcase, which he also had up and running very quickly on Kickstarter with all the mistakes fixed. For the amount of money he has made so far on all his Kickstarter projects he could have reprinted the decks or just the affected cards as I have suggested all along. Instead he's upsetting customers and practically forcing people to buy another deck. You be the judge though.

This kind of conspiracy-theory-propaganda-BS really has no place here Victor. You're bringing into question Jackson's integrity, and it's really uncalled for.

Jay

[vjose32]

I'm just stating what other people are saying, not saying that I necessarily agree with them

[MagikFingerz]

I'm just stating what other people are saying, not saying that I necessarily agree with them

You wouldn't have posted it if you didn't agree with them.

Honestly, for a project of this magnitude it's a ridiculous thought that someone, ANYONE, would purposely misprint 1 of the decks just to make another campaign and make a few extra bucks. Jackson has plenty of future projects in the works, so for him there is literally zero reason to do somthing like this.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that rumors like this appear with any misprint or similar issue, but in this case believing them is just incredibly short-sighted.

[JacksonRobinson]

If you think that botching 2750 decks is something I wanted to do I have about 16,000 green paper reasons why it wasn't. That is honestly ridiculous I'm sorry. And you are the first person who has said that.

[vjose32]

I'm just stating what other people are saying, not saying that I necessarily agree with them

You wouldn't have posted it if you didn't agree with them.

Honestly, for a project of this magnitude it's a ridiculous thought that someone, ANYONE, would purposely misprint 1 of the decks just to make another campaign and make a few extra bucks. Jackson has plenty of future projects in the works, so for him there is literally zero reason to do somthing like this.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that rumors like this appear with any misprint or similar issue, but in this case believing them is just incredibly short-sighted.

I haven't heard of any such rumors with any other misprint. I don't think anyone would purposely misprint a deck but Jackson is a perfectionist, so you have to wonder how he and so many other people could have missed those mistakes, not just 1 mistake, but 5 cards with mistakes, i'd think it would be pretty easy to spot some of them.

[JacksonRobinson]

Also I will add, I have a whole list of decks I want to get too why would I waste my time screwing with a reprint of a screwed up deck. I promise a fresh new deck will be WAY more profitable than me planning on a screw up.

[vjose32]

Fair enough.

[Sher]

I'd like to add, though I believe this has already been mentioned before, that he couldn't have reprinted the decks or just the affected cards as he would have to pay for another print run, which would be way too costly if he had to do this himself without asking some support through Kickstarter.

I know you've mentioned Paul's Deco as an example, saying that he got USPCC to reprint the decks at no cost to backers or to himself, but that is an entirely different issue. From my understanding, USPCC allowed this because USPCC's machines could not fold the tucks without damaging them due to the amount of foil in the tuck cases. This was USPCC's fault, not Paul's, so they owned up to it and did another run. Well, since it was just the tucks, I don't even know if they did another run of the cards... Maybe just the tucks.

USPCC will not allow Jackson to do a whole other print run at no cost because they believe it is I the responsibility of the creator to ensure that the cards and designs are correct.

Jackson has always been upfront about the status of his projects, so kudos to him for taking that extra mile to try and remedy the issue.