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I hadn't heard anything about allegations, so I did some searching. This is the response from Wyrmwood. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gQCyOy ... Msz0S/view


Looks like they fired the person who had been accused immediately after the incident. Also firing one of the people (there were 3) reporting it to HR is a pretty bad look, but they are stating that they were let go for past behavior as well. Which, given that the other two didn't get fired or sanctioned for reporting, gives some credence to that. But who knows.
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I personally don’t think they handled the situation that badly, but you know how these things go. Especially when they’re started on twitter. I’m personally not ready to condemn the company based solely on a couple tweets years after the alleged incident. However, this is a sticky subject, and two of Wyrmwoods main collaborators have already cut ties with them. And to be fair, their response so far could have been better. The video they posted along with their first statement probably wasn’t a good idea. I’m just worried the potential backlash might put TGW in a tough spot. I really want to see this project happen!

For reference here’s the links to statements by collaborators that have already cut ties with Wyrmwood.
https://www.takethis.org/2023/02/statem ... od-gaming/
https://twitter.com/dispeldice/status/1 ... gr%5Etweet

Here’s the tweet that started this.
https://twitter.com/Andy_Morocco/status ... ed85QtAAAA

Here’s the updated Wyrmwood statement after backlash to their video statement.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-SmNsH ... nR7QX/view
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https://www.ign.com/articles/wyrmwood-a ... se-scandal

If anyone wants an overview of the situation. Companies are cutting ties with them
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I hadn’t heard about this recent series of events but it would certainly give me pause about backing a deck they are involved in. I would need to do some research and understand the situation before making any decisions but I’m curious if Omar has any thoughts about it.
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Sir Toddalot wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:42 pm Are the recent allegations against Wyrmwood going to cause any problems with the projects you are working on with them?
This has been a very troubling and complex issue to be sure, one that I've given a lot of thought to in the last week. In fact I wrote the following statement yesterday upon immediately seeing your query and slept on it to make sure I was communicating every nuance while formulating my response...

CW: Sexual Asault

For those who don't know (and I'm going to do my best to summarize the events in question), there's been a surge of twitter backlash against Wyrmwood after an ex-employee made a video post claiming that he had been fired for reporting another second employee's sexual assault on an un-named third party (the victim was not an employee of Wyrmwood but the incident was reported to have happened on Wyrmwood's property three years ago). 

The ex-employee's main allegation, however, was that Wyrmwood had protected the sexual offender by not firing them and instead letting the accusing ex-employee go. This caused a stir as would be expected. In response, Wyrmwood released a statement that stated that BOTH employees had in fact been fired, claiming that the ex-employee who made the video had been engaging in hostile, toxic behavior and openly discussing the incident while at the workplace--which resulted in his being let-go. Most importantly, Wyrmwood corrected the claim and stipulated that the accused rapist was, indeed, also fired. Wyrmwood claimed to have investigated the claims made to the best of their ability at the time--they also (erroneously) claimed that they had been unaware of the incident happening on Wyrmwood grounds. This was walked back subsequently when, evidently, it was discovered that an email detailing the claim 3 years ago did in fact mention that this had happened afterhours, during a holiday party, on Wyrmwood property.  

In the absence of a police report or a victim willing to come forward, Wyrmwood chose inaction. Although one could correctly argue that the Police should've immediately been called by Wyrmwood themselves. Unfortunately this did not happen.

In the Wyrmwood tradition of full transparency and oversharing, they filmed a vlog episode, in the irreverent style that has made their Wyrm Lyfe youtube channel popular, where CEO Doug Costello and others react in real time and refute the claims made against Wyrmwood. The tone was defensive and in so doing they angered people--coming across as insensitive--especially when this is not a victimless crime. Regrettably they put the video out and many people--much of the same twitter users who had already reacted negatively to the original accusation of impropriety against Wyrmwood--understandably did not take it well. When so many victims of assault are so reticent to come forward and report the crimes they've been subjected to, it's clear that Wyrmwood using the lack of a filed police report as a defense for inaction was inadequate.

In the hours following the video--which garnered a lot of views and attention, mostly from people who were mortified by it--Wyrmwood retreated to discuss internally and reflect. Friday morning Wyrmwood released a statement were CEO Doug Costello apologized for the video, announced that the video in question had been taken down, announced a significant investment in human resources to keep this from ever happening again and promised to make a donation to a charity dedicated to fighting sexual abuse and lifting its victims.

Now, my feelings on the matter. This was terribly mishandled and immediately troubling. It doesn't help that the response video was made with Wyrm Lyfe's audience in mind, an audience that is used to, and attracted to, the whip-pan-crash-zoom flippant and often defiant tone of Wyrmwood's content, without giving much consideration to the new viewers the video might reach--considering all of the additional eyeballs scrutinizing the company in light of the twitter post allegations. Additionally the video included privileged conversations with Wyrmwood's legal counsel--never a good idea. Finally, and perhaps most egregiously, the victim was treated as an afterthought with CEO Doug Costello focused on refuting allegations against Wyrmwood rather than addressing the more serious Sexual Assault allegations, saying "He didn't know (the vitcim)". This gave the impression--intentional or not--that she or her trauma didn't matter.

I would be lying if I said that in the time that I've been working with Wyrmwood I haven't created friendships with employees and management. In the moments after learning of the incident--which only occured after the video in question popped up on my youtube feed (as I'm not much of a twitter user)--I was confused, bothered and ultimately tempted to explore ways to sever ties with Wyrmwood. Instead, I chose to collect my thoughts and come to grips with what I was feeling and what others were experiencing. I reached out to a friend and contact I have within the company and voiced my disapproval. I begged them to reconsider the video and to seek any and all actions to remedy the situation, including apologizing, evaluating and adjusting protocols in place for dealing with such incidents, and making a donation to help combat the occurrence of these incidents in the first place. Friday morning I awoke to a text message from a friend at Wyrmwood that my advice, echoed by many other partners and customers of Wyrmwood, had been heeded. Wyrmwood taking down the offending video was a positive and unexpected result as well. 

Wyrmwood has sponsored youtube videos on my channel. We also are business partners, having come to an agreement to work on these decks nearly a year ago and having spent much of that year overseeing and directing the design of both deck projects as well as a forthcoming poker set. Both Wyrmwood and TGW are contractually obligated to see the Groundskeeper and Corrupted deck projects to completion. TGW is contractually obligated to produce a review of the Game Master Screen and the Modular Gaming Table--the latter of which should be forthcoming on the channel in the next few weeks. What the future holds beyond remains a bit uncertain. Aside from the many many hours of effort and thought and the monetary investments and resources put into these products, there are talented and deserving artists and craftsmen who shouldn't be penalized for the actions of a client or employer. So I will continue to observe and scrutinize Wyrmwood's ethical comportment and behavior throughout the next year as production and distribution of the decks are completed and then evaluate Wyrmwood's efforts to rectify the matter at hand. I am encouraged to see that some steps were already taken and I believe Doug and Wyrmwood learned valuable hard lessons from this. The conversation around Sexual Abuse is one that deserves more attention. We should all be doing our best to protect the vulnerable and give a safe platform to their voices or assure their privacy if that's what's required. 

I am the child of immigrants--this country is built on an ideal of second chances. We're all human and we all make mistakes. We all can be short sighted, overcome with anger, indignant in the face of accusations. That is the human condition. Doug and Wyrmwood found themselves faced with a terrible situation and chose a course of action that they thought, at the moment, was the right one. And clearly it was not. In the fervent short sightedness of dealing with the internal issues faced by the company they--unintentionally perhaps--devalued the terrible suffering of a human being. For now, I am hopeful that Wyrmwood will join me in showing compassion to the victim (and all victims of abuse, sexual or otherwise) and, given the second chance, that they will reconcile and rehabilitate. Only time will tell.

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I very much liked the art on this deck but I now have no intention of buying anything with the Wyrmwood name on it. For sure people should get a second chance when they sincerely regret a mistake, but the pattern of lies and deflection in this case, from lying about not knowing where it happened, blaming the guy who reported it, aggressively denying everything until the backlash forced them to backtrack, it is all very scummy behaviour and only driven by self-interest. The Corrupted indeed.
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Ye I really feel for tgw here. Definitely trying to navigate a tough situation and trying his best to do the right thing, but through no fault of his own, the deck may be tarnished by the wyrmwood name. This may impact deck sales in the future. Why would someone want to support wyrmwood after this? Tgw is collateral damage.
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shunterino wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:47 am I very much liked the art on this deck but I now have no intention of buying anything with the Wyrmwood name on it. For sure people should get a second chance when they sincerely regret a mistake, but the pattern of lies and deflection in this case, from lying about not knowing where it happened, blaming the guy who reported it, aggressively denying everything until the backlash forced them to backtrack, it is all very scummy behaviour and only driven by self-interest. The Corrupted indeed.
I understand your viewpoint. I don't believe Doug was lying when he said he was unaware of where the incident was happening... BUT I do think he should have paid more attention to the incident itself when it occurred and that a full understanding of the incident at hand was warranted.

I chose not to talk about the ex-employee much --because ultimately the matter wasn't as important as the alleged abuse itself and Wyrmwood's response. But the accuser did make some other rather outlandish claims that bring in to question his motivations and credibility going so far as mentioning a wrongful termination lawsuit and arguing the rights to intellectual property--the prototyping and design of a Wyrmwood product (the hexagonal dice vault) that he had worked on while employed at Wyrmwood. Massachusetts, where Wyrmwood is based and where the incident is alleged to have taken place, is an at will state. Meaning companies and businesses can fire any employee for any reason at any time. Additionally, the ex-employee's claim to intellectual property also holds no water in a state where work performed while in the employ of a company is property of the company and not the individual creating or performing it. Still, Wyrmwood should have held itself to higher standards.

Again, none of this was as important as the fact that a victim suffered a wrong NOR as important as Wyrmwood's tone-deaf reaction.
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bdawg923 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:57 am Ye I really feel for tgw here. Definitely trying to navigate a tough situation and trying his best to do the right thing, but through no fault of his own, the deck may be tarnished by the wyrmwood name. This may impact deck sales in the future. Why would someone want to support wyrmwood after this? Tgw is collateral damage.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s a tough situation and one muddied by a tone deaf response and poorly lead investigation. Even with the absence of a victims statement. I’m sure hardcore Wyrmwood fans won’t bat an eye but there may be people who will give pause to purchases in the future.

As much as I like the design I am unlikely to support. I’ll have to give it more thought but it’s an unfortunate situation.
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Thanks for giving a statement, I agree with your decision. Obviously this is a hard situation to navigate, but I’m glad your collaborations will still be happening. I would hate for all the hard work by you and your partners to be scrapped because of the mishandling of this situation by Wyrmwood. I hope this doesn’t create any problems for the TGW brand, I’m a fan of your work and want to keep seeing more!
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TheGentlemanWake wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:05 am the accuser did make some other rather outlandish claims that bring in to question his motivations and credibility
I would strongly disagree with you here. I don't care about his motivations. The only thing that matters regarding his credibility is whether the accusation happened or not, and clearly it did. The only people changing their story are Wyrmwood, and only when faced with receipts. That isn't a good look. Sure they guy's upset and saying stuff about how unfairly he was treated. He's clearly still upset and messed up by what happened, but the only references to IP and wrongful dismissal are asides and said with regrets, not the main part of his issue. He was fired for coming forward, whether that is legal or not in that state, he has the right to say it and not be called a liar. And he proved himself right. He didn't have to walk things back. His credibility is intact. Most people are nice enough when things go well, it's when shit hits the fan you see the real them. This company you're working with, not the good guys in this situation.
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shunterino wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:46 am
TheGentlemanWake wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:05 am the accuser did make some other rather outlandish claims that bring in to question his motivations and credibility
I would strongly disagree with you here. I don't care about his motivations. The only thing that matters regarding his credibility is whether the accusation happened or not, and clearly it did. The only people changing their story are Wyrmwood, and only when faced with receipts. That isn't a good look. Sure they guy's upset and saying stuff about how unfairly he was treated. He's clearly still upset and messed up by what happened, but the only references to IP and wrongful dismissal are asides and said with regrets, not the main part of his issue. He was fired for coming forward, whether that is legal or not in that state, he has the right to say it and not be called a liar. And he proved himself right. He didn't have to walk things back. His credibility is intact. Most people are nice enough when things go well, it's when shit hits the fan you see the real them. This company you're working with, not the good guys in this situation.
I actually think we're on mostly same page. Like I said "ultimately the matter (of the ex-employee) wasn't as important as the alleged abuse itself and Wyrmwood's response."

EDIT: there is one claim that the ex-employee made that is in fact provably wrong... the accused abuser was not 'protected' and was indeed fired.
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At this time I won't be discussing the matter any longer. Know that my thoughts are with the victim, and Wyrmwood has my scrutiny.

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It would seem that there are no contracts that wouldn’t benefit from a morals clause

Second chances are a thing, usually after punishment and a tasteful period of time, often requiring rebuilding from scratch or changing vocations

Don’t fault you for wrapping up contracts with them and reevaluating - and perhaps they will have earned your trust by then - perhaps
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I'm a sub to Wyrm Life and I got to see the vid before they took it down. It was indeed in poor taste. Their whole schtick is kinda like "our work is serious, but here's how wacky and irreverent things are behind the scenes". I understand the need for a rebuttal of the allegations, I understand the stream-of-consciousness nature of their videos, I understand that their office is a vlog-friendly environment and that the ubiquity of filming equipment likely made the presence of cameras an afterthought, but yeah that video sucked.

To me, that's just a shitty misstep that can be overlooked after sincere apology. The abuser was fired, good, as they should have been. Imo, the sticking point really is whether those in positions of power knew that the incident occurred on Wyrmwood grounds. It really seems to me like that's the only aspect that would directly involve the company. Some say they knew, some say they just found out, and I have no idea what to think.

Similarly, it was made clear that the person who reported the allegations was not fired for this act, but rather for perpetuating a toxic work environment, something that was said to have predated and continued following the alleged sexual assault. Again, he said she said, that person disagrees, not sure what to think. I think it bears mentioning that Morocco, imo, really seems to have an axe to grind.

Bad look? Shitty response? Absolutely. Poor handling of the initial situation? Probably, but I don't think there's enough evidence on either side. Unless I missed something, it's all contradictory testimony imo. I don't blame companies deciding to end their partnerships AT ALL, nor do I blame those who continue to work with them. Unless some new information comes out, I think it's hasty to completely write off Wyrmwood. Will definitely be thinking twice before making a purchase, but that's about it.
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I'm just reading this and not familiar with the situation. My reaction is just my heart goes out to the victim of the assault. Keeping people safe from assault should be the most important thing. Going back and looking at what the setting was that allowed it to happen should be reviewed and fixed.

TGW, I liked your comment about the US being a place for second chances. I agree in so many apects. I also feel when things like this happen, we must learn from it and do everything you can for the victim and make changes so it can't happen again.
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A more detailed article, with a less than forgiving slant - the takeaway being that the question of needing HR staff had come up before

https://www.thewrecklist.com/p/wyrmwood ... g-gasoline

My feeling is sure, they need an HR dept, which they are doing - they need to suffer consequences - which I’m sure they will - but it would be more satisfying if Doug left (again)

Doug gets his second chance out in the world, Wormwood gets its second chance (along with all its uninvolved employees) right where it sits

The employee fired for “creating drama” is also left to their second chance out in the world.

Second chances are easy to come by, and come in many flavors - the “where it sits” variety is, or at least should be, the rarest for major offense - and when it comes to Doug his intentional avoidance of HR in the face of the need, missteps and misstatements in the handling of the fallout of the result of setting the stage as he did, he does not qualify to sit.
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Whenever a whistleblower is fired for stuff they did that's unrelated to their whistleblowing (conveniently with no details provided) it's always a lie to get rid of them. And it also sends a message to everyone else, you speak up you get fired. That's the most damning part of this. Companies don't like people who make them look bad. Do you think what happened to that guy fairly or unfairly encourages victims to go to management in the future? Despicable behaviour.
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shunterino wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:49 pm Whenever a whistleblower is fired for stuff they did that's unrelated to their whistleblowing (conveniently with no details provided) it's always a lie to get rid of them. And it also sends a message to everyone else, you speak up you get fired. That's the most damning part of this. Companies don't like people who make them look bad. Do you think what happened to that guy fairly or unfairly encourages victims to go to management in the future? Despicable behaviour.
I think it’s fair to point out that the other two people who reported the incident to management didn’t get fired. The reason the one guy did get fired is because he was telling all the other employees before making making an official complaint to management. They had no prove if the incident happened or not, so that guy was just slandering a fellow employee. And of course, the guy accused denied the claims, so its a lot of he said she said. They had to make a tough decision based on little more than hearsay. I’m not saying they couldn’t have handled the situation better, but I think some context helps. I think the most problematic thing has been their response, mainly the video. Certainly should have been handled a lot better.
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shunterino wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:49 pm Whenever a whistleblower is fired for stuff they did that's unrelated to their whistleblowing (conveniently with no details provided) it's always a lie to get rid of them.
I mean, that's just not true. These things aren't always that black and white. Companies typically don't provide explicit details about people being fired for a large variety of reasons, mostly legitimate. The way they handled things wasn't good, and is a very bad look, so they don't necessarily deserve the benefit of much doubt. Still, to say that companies not providing details always means they're always lying is just not true. Also, in this particular case, there were also 2 other employees who came forward about the incident, and they weren't fired.
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shunterino wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:49 pm Whenever a whistleblower is fired for stuff they did that's unrelated to their whistleblowing (conveniently with no details provided) it's always a lie to get rid of them.
Not sure how you could possibly make such a claim. Sounds irrational to me.
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In this case it seems that one whistleblower was not fired, while another who was passing the story around the office outside of management was.

So it was not simply a lie to get rid of them, but it was a misstep - you should not expect an employee to be held to such a standard under such circumstances - word is going to spread - if they weren’t already fired then now is not the time - plenty of time in the future to deal with unrelated issues

But for a company so ill equipped in the optics department and so busy playing CYA I imagine it was an oversight.
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Re: The Corrupted by Wyrmwood (Produced by TGW)

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Leaders lead by example and it sounds like the leader/CEO is not. IMO, if there is a board or an independent body within this company, they should review the CEO's ability to lead and make a decision to ask the CEO to resign.
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Re: The Corrupted by Wyrmwood (Produced by TGW)

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GandalfTheWhite wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:05 pm Leaders lead by example and it sounds like the leader/CEO is not. IMO, if there is a board or an independent body within this company, they should review the CEO's ability to lead and make a decision to ask the CEO to resign.
I wish the same standard would be applied to politicians, lmao. As long as this is not happening, I'll keep seperating the art from the artist (or collaborative producer in this case) and will keep my purchase descision based on the art presented. So I'll wait for tuck box drafts and further court pictures.
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Re: The Corrupted by Wyrmwood (Produced by TGW)

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In happier news... check out this ARTWORK tho!
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Man, those look fantastic. I'm excited for this one.
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Sucks about the controversy because that art is absolutely gorgeous.
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Omar, will there be uncut available?
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shermjack wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:08 pm Omar, will there be uncut available?
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Old English font on the joker card reminds me how much I dislike Old English fonts. On the courts they are bareable because there is just one letter per corner but on the joker card... oh bwoi do I dislike Old English.
Pip design isn't doing much for me either but court are is still super sweet. Extra art on the number cards is always welcome. Might be enough to make me forget how much I dislike Old English fonts.
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