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BaconWise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:02 pm

Eric Lee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:57 pm I saw on IG that another artist, Gregory Titus did the artwork for this. I've not been following JR's Dawn's Early Light, but I did see JR actually draw one of the courts and talk about the Joker designs. So who did the art? Did JR just do the final touches from the Gregory concept art or was there more behind this?

It was @gregorytitus on Instagram. He will be releasing more artwork in the next couple of days as the pre-order goes on, so be sure to give him a follow! As a huge fan of Sanderson, I think Gregory did a phenomenal job on this and he deserves so much love for it. It would seem KWP is taking a production role for this one as Jackson has so much on his plate with LotR and EVERYTHING else he is doing.

veil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:52 pm Given the various KWP posts about this deck and the description in the listing on the website which doesn't mention Gregory Titus at all:

The officially licensed Mistborn playing cards are an exciting collaboration between fantasy Author Brandon Sanderson and
Jackson Robinson, owner of Kings Wild Project.

I never imagined that Jackson wasn't the artist. I assume that pretty much everyone buying the deck assumes that he is. I am the only one who feels like this is at least a little bit disingenuous?

Fenrir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 pm

veil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:52 pm Given the various KWP posts about this deck and the description in the listing on the website which doesn't mention Gregory Titus at all:

The officially licensed Mistborn playing cards are an exciting collaboration between fantasy Author Brandon Sanderson and
Jackson Robinson, owner of Kings Wild Project.

I never imagined that Jackson wasn't the artist. I assume that pretty much everyone buying the deck assumes that he is. I am the only one who feels like this is at least a little bit disingenuous?

It definitely feels disingenuous. That being said I have no idea what the arrangement was between the three of them. Also when I first saw it I thought Jackson had done the artwork. Interesting that the style is so similar. It’s clear Jackson did the tuck because it looks just like reserve note.

steampunk52 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:31 pm If recall correctly, Jackson did the pencils and Titus the inks/line work. Jackson noted that he wanted it finished in a different style than his own and liked the detail in the line work Titus brings.

EvilDuncan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:07 pm

steampunk52 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:31 pm If recall correctly, Jackson did the pencils and Titus the inks/line work. Jackson noted that he wanted it finished in a different style than his own and liked the detail in the line work Titus brings.

I thought I remembered him saying Titus did the pencil and Jackson did everything else. Though it's been a while since I heard him talk about it.

Eric Lee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:15 pm

EvilDuncan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:07 pm

steampunk52 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:31 pm If recall correctly, Jackson did the pencils and Titus the inks/line work. Jackson noted that he wanted it finished in a different style than his own and liked the detail in the line work Titus brings.

I thought I remembered him saying Titus did the pencil and Jackson did everything else. Though it's been a while since I heard him talk about it.

Thanks for the confirmation. Definitely helps clear things up that both worked on the courts. It could have been work for hire in this case for Gregory, but let's see if JR does mention him in anywhere besides the DEL videos.

EvilDuncan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:07 pm

steampunk52 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:31 pm If recall correctly, Jackson did the pencils and Titus the inks/line work. Jackson noted that he wanted it finished in a different style than his own and liked the detail in the line work Titus brings.

I thought I remembered him saying Titus did the pencil and Jackson did everything else. Though it's been a while since I heard him talk about it.

Fenrir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 pm It’s clear Jackson did the tuck because it looks just like reserve note.

This project was an exciting collaboration. Artist Jackson Robinson had the incredible opportunity to enlist the help of a long-time friend and insanely talented artist, Gregory Titus, to create the final renderings of all the court cards of the Mistborn deck.

veil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:30 pm So anyone who watched this particular segment from this particular episode from five months ago would be aware that Titus designed the characters and did a lot of the "heavy lifting". I certainly wouldn't have known if not for UC, and since Titus wasn't mentioned in any of the recent promotion leading up to the release or in any of product pages on the KWP website, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people buying the deck aren't aware of Titus's involvement.

sms69x wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:16 am Not sure if this info was on the page at launch time, but it clearly states:

This project was an exciting collaboration. Artist Jackson Robinson had the incredible opportunity to enlist the help of a long-time friend and insanely talented artist, Gregory Titus, to create the final renderings of all the court cards of the Mistborn deck.

Either way, on the box you will only find "Playing Cards by Kings Wild Project", it doesn't state that JR did the drawing, opposite to all of his other decks where you will find "Designed by JR" and "Produced by KWP"...
This is not the first deck not 100% designed by JR and surely will not be the last...

JacksonRobinson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:23 am

veil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:30 pm So anyone who watched this particular segment from this particular episode from five months ago would be aware that Titus designed the characters and did a lot of the "heavy lifting". I certainly wouldn't have known if not for UC, and since Titus wasn't mentioned in any of the recent promotion leading up to the release or in any of product pages on the KWP website, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people buying the deck aren't aware of Titus's involvement.

We weren't and are not trying to mislead anyone about Greg's involvement. It is also mentioned on the product page of each item about Greg's involvement. Greg was a work-for-hire artist and I'm not trying to dog on Greg but I don't have to acknowledge Greg at all if I don't want to. This is something he is very familiar with. Both Greg and I have worked as "work for hire artists" for almost two decades" on hundreds of products for Hasbro, Star Wars, and the like and we never once got mentioned or acknowledged by those companies for the same reason, we were both "hired artists". This, as some of noticed its say "Playing Cards By Kings Wild Project" We even went back and edit the promo video where Brandon says I'm the Artist to clear up any confusion as he didn't have time for a second take and to him, I was the artist and creator of the deck. Sorry for any confusion, hope that clears it up.

JacksonRobinson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:23 am

veil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:30 pm So anyone who watched this particular segment from this particular episode from five months ago would be aware that Titus designed the characters and did a lot of the "heavy lifting". I certainly wouldn't have known if not for UC, and since Titus wasn't mentioned in any of the recent promotion leading up to the release or in any of product pages on the KWP website, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people buying the deck aren't aware of Titus's involvement.

We weren't and are not trying to mislead anyone about Greg's involvement. It is also mentioned on the product page of each item about Greg's involvement. Greg was a work-for-hire artist and I'm not trying to dog on Greg but I don't have to acknowledge Greg at all if I don't want to. This is something he is very familiar with. Both Greg and I have worked as "work for hire artists" for almost two decades" on hundreds of products for Hasbro, Star Wars, and the like and we never once got mentioned or acknowledged by those companies for the same reason, we were both "hired artists". This, as some of noticed its say "Playing Cards By Kings Wild Project" We even went back and edit the promo video where Brandon says I'm the Artist to clear up any confusion as he didn't have time for a second take and to him, I was the artist and creator of the deck. Sorry for any confusion, hope that clears it up.

wrb24745 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:35 pm

JacksonRobinson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:23 am

veil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:30 pm So anyone who watched this particular segment from this particular episode from five months ago would be aware that Titus designed the characters and did a lot of the "heavy lifting". I certainly wouldn't have known if not for UC, and since Titus wasn't mentioned in any of the recent promotion leading up to the release or in any of product pages on the KWP website, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people buying the deck aren't aware of Titus's involvement.

We weren't and are not trying to mislead anyone about Greg's involvement. It is also mentioned on the product page of each item about Greg's involvement. Greg was a work-for-hire artist and I'm not trying to dog on Greg but I don't have to acknowledge Greg at all if I don't want to. This is something he is very familiar with. Both Greg and I have worked as "work for hire artists" for almost two decades" on hundreds of products for Hasbro, Star Wars, and the like and we never once got mentioned or acknowledged by those companies for the same reason, we were both "hired artists". This, as some of noticed its say "Playing Cards By Kings Wild Project" We even went back and edit the promo video where Brandon says I'm the Artist to clear up any confusion as he didn't have time for a second take and to him, I was the artist and creator of the deck. Sorry for any confusion, hope that clears it up.

With all due respect, I don’t think anyone has ever bought a hasbro or Star Wars product because of who the packaging artist was.

Some people buy your decks because YOU are the artist. That’s everyone’s expectation. So if even a single person is only buying the deck because they think you did the artwork, I believe it’s important to make it known if you did not do the artwork.

Thanks for updating the product page since the time of launch.

JacksonRobinson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:58 pm

wrb24745 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:35 pm

JacksonRobinson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:23 am

veil wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:30 pm So anyone who watched this particular segment from this particular episode from five months ago would be aware that Titus designed the characters and did a lot of the "heavy lifting". I certainly wouldn't have known if not for UC, and since Titus wasn't mentioned in any of the recent promotion leading up to the release or in any of product pages on the KWP website, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people buying the deck aren't aware of Titus's involvement.

We weren't and are not trying to mislead anyone about Greg's involvement. It is also mentioned on the product page of each item about Greg's involvement. Greg was a work-for-hire artist and I'm not trying to dog on Greg but I don't have to acknowledge Greg at all if I don't want to. This is something he is very familiar with. Both Greg and I have worked as "work for hire artists" for almost two decades" on hundreds of products for Hasbro, Star Wars, and the like and we never once got mentioned or acknowledged by those companies for the same reason, we were both "hired artists". This, as some of noticed its say "Playing Cards By Kings Wild Project" We even went back and edit the promo video where Brandon says I'm the Artist to clear up any confusion as he didn't have time for a second take and to him, I was the artist and creator of the deck. Sorry for any confusion, hope that clears it up.

With all due respect, I don’t think anyone has ever bought a hasbro or Star Wars product because of who the packaging artist was.

Some people buy your decks because YOU are the artist. That’s everyone’s expectation. So if even a single person is only buying the deck because they think you did the artwork, I believe it’s important to make it known if you did not do the artwork.

Thanks for updating the product page since the time of launch.

Not at all the case, there are tons of people just like playing card collectors who collect specific toys for that very reason, which artist did the art. People even collect the Star Wars BLACK series toys because Greg did the art. As for the art of Mistborn, I still did half the art in the deck. Back, aces, laying all of Greg's drawings out. The collecting world is huge and people collect all sorts of stuff for very specific reasons. I could go down the toy isle today in any Walmart or target and tell you who the artist was that did the illustrations. I've sat at a Star Wars Celebration Convention before for 8 hours in a line of artist signing toy packages of toys that they had done illustrations for. You wouldn't believe the number of people that would roll wagons in (LOL not for my toys) for some of the bigger name artists, so they would sign their toy packages.

Just go look on ebay something like an original Kenner Star Wars toy with a Ralph Mcquarry illustration signed by the artist you will see what I say is true... lol you will think "wow I thought playing card collecting was expensive!"

All good vibes though, now ill intent on my part.

Strag wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:27 am

Fenrir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 pm It’s clear Jackson did the tuck because it looks just like reserve note.

I saw that tuck box and was severely disappointed. Pretty pricey for such a plain tuck. Won't be getting these at the current prices.

EvilDuncan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:53 pm Actually the current prices for standard decks bought on the site is $18, so the prices are actually the same there. And I guess $45 is technically the discounted price we get as gilded subscribers, so that's a pretty good deal for a preorder.

Eric Lee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:07 pm Both are correct technically. Subscribers get the sub decks at $15 while non-subs get it at $18. Considering this is a licensed project with full foil on both sides with a hired artist for the courts, $18 sounds acceptable.