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Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:43 pm**

Outsider wrote:I submit Nemesis Factory/Claude for the blacklist. The saga is well documented here for the Enuma Elish deck - switched printers without notice, failed to issue refunds, and at this point, apparently also failed to deliver cards to anyone who had the nerve to demand a refund (in addition to not refunding their money, making it a straight ripoff).

Switching printers is bad, but potentially a rookie mistake. Refusing refunds is shitty; not mailing paid-for cards to those who dared ask for one is thievery. I didn't get burned, but just seeing the thread here I wouldn't do business with this guy if he were selling ice water in hell.

I concur.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:16 pm**

This black list is a big reason I love this forum. It's not just "I hate this guy/gal, you should too." Any nomination is backed up by valid information and I see this list a great resource as I learn more about card collecting and find decks I might want to add. Thanks for keeping this up-to-date and I hate to see more added to this list...

Posted: **Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:25 am**

8. Nemesis Factory Cards

Check out the thread: http://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php ... d919c0c822
Under username: NemesisFactoryCards

Quick summary:
- switch the printer to NPCC 3 months after campaign ended
- ignoring the quality difference
- promise to refund people who demanded for one, but ate his word
- some of the guys who asked for refund did not get refund nor their pledge

Posted: **Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:11 am**

Can we still get this stickied by a mod? Looks like some people have trouble finding it otherwise.

Posted: **Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:25 pm**

One of the most intriguing cases I've ever come across was the Black Trauma/Essential Fabrica campaigns. It looked like an outright scam at first, with the creator using a different account to create a second project before the first one was even fulfilled, and people not receiving their decks.

Then upon closer inspection, I realised what was actually happening. The creator had grossly underestimated the cost of the first campaign, the Essential Fabrica, and was in a panic, thus creating a second project, the Black Trauma, to try and cover the cost of the first one. And all went to shit eventually.

So, should a case like this be blacklisted as well? It wasn't a scam but just poor campaign management.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/17 ... escription

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:34 am**

It doesn't matter if straight up scam or just poor managment. If backers receive nothing or not what was promised, up on the black list I say.

Posted: **Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:37 pm**

9. Giacomo Rivano (KS name: glitchcarD/Tenchu's Factory)

The creator used two kickstarter account for the two projects. Due to poor cost management, the second project is not delivered because he's not (or not capable) paying the shipping cost to GW. Backers need to be cautious of backing his future decks. His kickstarter registered name is Giacomo Rivano.

Black Trauma (not delivered): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/17 ... s/comments
Esssential Fabrica: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/90 ... 0/comments

Posted: **Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:46 pm**

I was wondering if we should add Bocopo to that list with all the issues they had with copyright and using non-original material?

Posted: **Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:50 pm**

Azazaaz wrote:I was wondering if we should add Bocopo to that list with all the issues they had with copyright and using non-original material?

I totally assumed Bocopo was already on this list,

. This nomination is completely valid, in my opinion. Bocopy is on my personal blacklist, at the very least.

Posted: **Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:31 pm**

Azazaaz wrote:I was wondering if we should add Bocopo to that list with all the issues they had with copyright and using non-original material?

Totally disagree on that one. They deliver and delivered all of their projects. Copyright and non-original material is another issue that everyone has to think about for himself. I do have E! and EPCC on my personal black list, but would never put them on a somewhat neutral and objective black list, which this one aims to be, if I get it right.

Posted: **Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:17 pm**

I was thinking along the lines of Havrons earlier, just got side tracked before posting. They probably said it better anyway.

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Posted: **Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:35 am**

Being weaselly is one thing; robbing your backers is another. I am refraining from backing Bocopo, too, but I don't think they deserve to be on the black list because they are not defrauding their backers. Just my two cents.

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:06 am**

rousselle wrote:Being weaselly is one thing; robbing your backers is another. I am refraining from backing Bocopo, too, but I don't think they deserve to be on the black list because they are not defrauding their backers. Just my two cents.

Can someone elaborate on how they are being weaslley? I generally love cards published by them...

Posted: **Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:07 am**

Cardileigh wrote:
rousselle wrote:Being weaselly is one thing; robbing your backers is another. I am refraining from backing Bocopo, too, but I don't think they deserve to be on the black list because they are not defrauding their backers. Just my two cents.
Can someone elaborate on how they are being weaslley? I generally love cards published by them...

They copy pasted designs for their decks which created a fuzz for a lot of collectors. They were pretty ingenious about the origins of their design. Meow Star for example.
Plus they did kickstarter campaigns for already printed decks and ran multiple campaigns (under different accounts) at he same time which is not allowed by kickstarter.

Posted: **Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:27 pm**

Harvonsgard wrote:
Cardileigh wrote:
rousselle wrote:Being weaselly is one thing; robbing your backers is another. I am refraining from backing Bocopo, too, but I don't think they deserve to be on the black list because they are not defrauding their backers. Just my two cents.
Can someone elaborate on how they are being weaslley? I generally love cards published by them...
They copy pasted designs for their decks which created a fuzz for a lot of collectors. They were pretty ingenious about the origins of their design. Meow Star for example.
Plus they did kickstarter campaigns for already printed decks and ran multiple campaigns (under different accounts) at he same time which is not allowed by kickstarter.

Whoa! that is pretty damming evidence! My favorite deck is the Snowman Factory. Let me keep that one

Posted: **Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:50 pm**

As a creator, I also think this is a great idea. I agree with @hsbc that it would be grossly unfair to tarnish the reputations of the entrepreneurial creators that bring us these decks for unforeseen delays, so in this area such a list should be very clear and considerate. However, creating a black list (and perhaps 'white' (oh gosh, sounds like it has racial connotation) 'good' list) for projects and creators will only help those that already strive hard to communicate well and deliver what they promise, and will light a fire for those that are otherwise more lax.

Posted: **Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:52 pm**

rousselle wrote:Being weaselly is one thing; robbing your backers is another. I am refraining from backing Bocopo, too, but I don't think they deserve to be on the black list because they are not defrauding their backers. Just my two cents.

Perhaps a grey list section? The more collective information people share then the higher standards creators are held to and the more collectors and supporters know what they are getting into.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:26 pm**

Honestly, I’m probably going to blacklist and boycott Kickstarter entirely. They don’t give a crap about backers, only their money. Been scammed so many times. And now when you report a project, like the Dark Deco rip-off, they respond that it isn’t violating any rules! Enough is enough!

Posted: **Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:21 am**

I'm sure they will miss you.

Posted: **Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:50 pm**

I have a few to add to the list:
Krishtofor (Charlemagne Playing Cards // SWAROVSKI CRYSTAL)- Never delivered, yet I see overseas sellers selling them

Yassine Boudraa (5 of Spades Playing Cards Deck Dark Edition)- Lied, never delivered. I did find out that he is a Madison minion, and basically scammed just like his idol

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:53 pm**

james001a wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:50 pm I have a few to add to the list:
Krishtofor (Charlemagne Playing Cards // SWAROVSKI CRYSTAL)- Never delivered, yet I see overseas sellers selling them

Yassine Boudraa (5 of Spades Playing Cards Deck Dark Edition)- Lied, never delivered. I did find out that he is a Madison minion, and basically scammed just like his idol

I'm not sure I would add Krishtofor to the Black list.Grey for sure. From the updates, the main issue was due to the fact that decks were held by Russian and Estonian customs. If you believe his updates, he managed to get a few out by driving through the border and ship those out. As for the others, part of the print run was held by the partner and they sold it themselves or to Russian resellers.

Last update on the comments:

As has been said more than once, the manufacturer sells decks. Please check sellers on eBay and etsy, seller is from Russia. The company went into bankruptcy and refuse to compensate for the loss. Now we are raising funds to refund your money. There is nothing more to say except that we also suffered!

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:00 am**

I agree with you Eric. I didn’t get my rewards either, but I find it hard to say they didn’t try. Some country’s customs offices are not very professional. I will just leave it at that. I don’t hold that against the creator. That said, it does irritate me a little that the decks are out there, sand I don’t have one being a backer. And my order wasn’t small either....

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:13 am**

I was not able to back the original KS campaign for Charlemagne but I did pick up several of the decks from a couple of different sellers. Definitely would not sit well with me if I had backed and not received my pledge. I have had that happen with other campaigns though.

Posted: **Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:21 pm**

As this list has grown and will continue to do so. I'd like to just remind folks. A creator is only as good as their last campaign. If you're backing some people who have yet to fulfill their previous campaign be sure you'd trust them with your lunch. Please remember they do not always deliver even when they've had proven track records with several fulfilled decks. Natalia Silva comes to mind. Him Yau Alvin Cheung of SiShou Playing Cards comes to mind. Could go on but the point is, these people fulfilled many decks then for whatever reason, it doesn't matter decided, they weren't going to fulfill the rest.

Buyer Be Aware.

I see a lot of folks launching campaigns without fulfillment and I felt something should be said. Odds are most of the folks are going to fulfill, just a reminder of reality though. This list, it's going to grow.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:33 am**

Fes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:21 pm As this list has grown and will continue to do so. I'd like to just remind folks. A creator is only as good as their last campaign. If you're backing some people who have yet to fulfill their previous campaign be sure you'd trust them with your lunch. Please remember they do not always deliver even when they've had proven track records with several fulfilled decks. Natalia Silva comes to mind. Him Yau Alvin Cheung of SiShou Playing Cards comes to mind. Could go on but the point is, these people fulfilled many decks then for whatever reason, it doesn't matter decided, they weren't going to fulfill the rest.

Buyer Be Aware.

I see a lot of folks launching campaigns without fulfillment and I felt something should be said. Odds are most of the folks are going to fulfill, just a reminder of reality though. This list, it's going to grow.

I think Kickstarter is actually starting to pay attention to this. It isn’t as easy to run multiple kickstarters as it was in the past.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:32 am**

I guess you are only listing current/recent creators and not the likes of Erik Mana and others like Crooked Kings from a few years back?

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:22 pm**

What about Vanda? They've kinda turned into shit lately with their delayed Stories project and lack of communication and updates with a sorry here's a free deck but you pay shipping.

Posted: **Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:39 pm**

jerichoholic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:22 pm What about Vanda? They've kinda turned into shit lately with their delayed Stories project and lack of communication and updates with a sorry here's a free deck but you pay shipping.

I saw and read through the comments on the campaigns. As we are in unprecedented COVID times, I think we need to be patient and kind as sometimes it could be difficult to gauge what else is happening in someone else's world.

It does become difficult when there are no regular updates but sometimes letting go (for a while) is the best bet.

My 2 cents.

Posted: **Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:47 am**

Vanda is certainly on a watch list and I'm unlikely to ever backs future project for him again but doesn't belong on this list....yet!

Yes issues happens but for Fs sake just COMMUNICATE! Going dark there is simply no excuse for that.

Posted: **Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:37 pm**

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