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Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:26 am**

RIP, hope this does not happen to other creators who face similar situations.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:27 am**

This is a reminder that I'm still worried about Tony, aka. Just Play Cards, and his health and disappearance. (Not that I needed a reminder.)

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm**

I am no expert in mental health and maybe the reason is not necessarily important but I hope the stress of the unfulfilled VxD campaigns did not play a factor in Andrew's death. I realize the underlying reason of it is possibly very complex.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:00 pm**

I did message the KS Trust and Safety team before others confirmed the news elsewhere. I just received the following:

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:02 pm**

Ks confirmed it was really them. I was wrong and apologize. Rip. Tragic

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:34 pm**

Kickstarter should really have a better way of handling things like this. When I first read the update I readily accepted it was from KS, but after reading some of the suspicions other people had it did make me start to doubt. The update should have came from an official KS account or had some other way to verify their identity, and as others have said, a link to get help if you’re having suicidal thoughts. Or not even mentioned cause of death for privacy reasons. Just seems like an unprofessional way to handle it by KS. To be fair, I’m sure this isn’t something they have to do often, and hopefully never have to again.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:10 pm**

Sir Toddalot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:34 pm Kickstarter should really have a better way of handling things like this. When I first read the update I readily accepted it was from KS, but after reading some of the suspicions other people had it did make me start to doubt. The update should have came from an official KS account or had some other way to verify their identity, and as others have said, a link to get help if you’re having suicidal thoughts. Or not even mentioned cause of death for privacy reasons. Just seems like an unprofessional way to handle it by KS. To be fair, I’m sure this isn’t something they have to do often, and hopefully never have to again.

I agree, the strangeness of the delivery method (and also the wording of the message) is what caused me to reach out to confirm. I'm supposing that the family are the ones that dictacted the message and decided to provide the details. I'm sure they are in much pain and my heart goes out to them.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:43 pm**

I think the exclamation point they chucked in that announcement was as tone deaf as the original post - obviously KS is no better at tact than they are at anything else

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:53 pm**

Why would a family member disclose the cause of death to ks and why wouldn't they ask that ks not share that with everyone. It is a very sensitive and private piece of information.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:27 pm**

I did think that giving THAT cause of death was...completely unnecessary, just say "he passed away" and leave it at that.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:30 pm**

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:27 pm I did think that giving THAT cause of death was...completely unnecessary, just say "he passed away" and leave it at that.

I think that giving any cause of death is unnecessary.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:39 pm**

CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:30 pm
Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:27 pm I did think that giving THAT cause of death was...completely unnecessary, just say "he passed away" and leave it at that.
I think that giving any cause of death is unnecessary.

sure, I agree, but some of them (cancer for general) at least sets a tone people are more understanding about.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:41 pm**

[MOD NOTE: Let's cut it out with death speculation, etc.]

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:54 pm**

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:41 pm [MOD NOTE: Let's cut it out with death speculation, etc.]

When do you suppose people will be free to discuss what they want?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:59 pm**

CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:54 pm
hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:41 pm [MOD NOTE: Let's cut it out with death speculation, etc.]
When do you suppose people will be free to discuss what they want?

+1

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:44 pm**

double_left wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:59 pm +1

CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:54 pm When do you suppose people will be free to discuss what they want?

You have the rest of the internet and the real world to say whatever you want.

double_left, you especially have been shown exceptional patience and latitude earlier in this thread by GandalfPC.

We try to be tolerant of criticism here but it's not a free pass to say whatever you want.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:01 pm**

double_left just earned a week ban from me.

As for when its ok to discuss what you want on this thread, I agree with hsbc - that ship has sailed here, the rest of the internet should suit

Anyone who simply can’t resist debating the topic of censorship with me, should find a way to resist for at least a week, then private message me or start a topic in general regarding censorship.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:31 pm**

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:01 pm double_left just earned a week ban from me.

As for when its ok to discuss what you want on this thread, I agree with hsbc - that ship has sailed here, the rest of the internet should suit

Anyone who simply can’t resist debating the topic of censorship with me, should find a way to resist for at least a week, then private message me or start a topic in general regarding censorship.

You banned double_left for commenting +1 which was indicating that he too would like to know when people can discuss the issue? Does me asking this warrant a ban or warning? I'm not sure where I can step safely.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:32 pm**

CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:31 pm You banned double_left for commenting +1 which was indicating that he too would like to know when people can discuss the issue? Does me asking this warrant a ban or warning?

The post double_left was banned for is now deleted; it was not the "+1" comment.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:38 pm**

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:32 pm
CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:31 pm You banned double_left for commenting +1 which was indicating that he too would like to know when people can discuss the issue? Does me asking this warrant a ban or warning?
The post double_left was banned for is now deleted; it was not the "+1" comment.

was it one of his much earlier comments where there was a back and forth between him and whichever mods? Was it after his +1 comment?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:40 pm**

CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:38 pm Was it after his +1 comment?

Yes. It's gone now.

[EDIT: Any users with comments, questions, or concerns about other users, bans, what is allowed, etc. are always welcome to contact a mod

]

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:42 pm**

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:40 pm
CCwonder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:38 pm Was it after his +1 comment?
Yes. It's gone now.

thank you for clearing that up for me. He must have said something horrible.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:46 pm**

It was a new comment.

It’s not a tightrope to walk or a trap set to walk into - all comments whether the finest prose or the most tangled thought are fine - but if you’re commenting on this thread (or this topic anywhere here at the moment) its going to be something that someone who cares about him would want to read vs the opposite of that.

Should you have any questions, please contact a mod by PM

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:00 pm**

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:46 pm It was a new comment.

It’s not a tightrope to walk or a trap set to walk into - all comments whether the finest prose or the most tangled thought are fine - but if you’re commenting on this thread (or this topic anywhere here at the moment) its going to be something that someone who cares about him would want to read vs the opposite of that.

Should you have any questions, please contact a mod by PM

This is a very sad and chaotic situation. Many people understandably have a lot of questions. I hope they eventually get some real answers that will calm them so that the issue can be peacefully put to rest.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:14 pm**

I think the family made a clear decision when they chose to close the kickstarter account and asked for the update to be posted.

I hope that everyone finds it in their heart to let that be the only real answer they need, rather than prying or pushing or god forbid attacking.

And with that, I hope that we have seen the end of all posts questioning what can be posted and why, and continue with the ones that belong at what I have been attempting to avoid calling, a wake.

Please have the utmost respect

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:20 pm**

This thread has become a low point for this forum. Have some decency people.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:03 pm**

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:20 pm This thread has become a low point for this forum. Have some decency people.

I agree that in some ways it has become a low point. Please refrain from insinuating that people are indecent because that may be viewed as an attack. Let's all get along and respect one another.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:12 pm**

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:25 pm**

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:12 pm [video]

Wow! What a piece of work.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:33 pm**

Strag wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:00 pm I did message the KS Trust and Safety team before others confirmed the news elsewhere. I just received the following:

Was about to post this thing, but since you are the original questioner, I leave you to it

It’s so sad that he had to go this way… It must be really hard on him…

My condolences for the family that he left… I apologize here and anywhere around for any suspicions I implied before this confirmation.

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