Oath Standard Collectors Edition - Lotrek's January Surprise

[Curt]

This one didn't last long. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Oath-Standard-G ... _cvip=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Saw it, went to click on it out of interest sake and it had already sold.

[Magistrate1500]

This one didn't last long. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Oath-Standard-G ... _cvip=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Saw it, went to click on it out of interest sake and it had already sold.

That was my listing for $250. It was up less than three hours. I clearly didn’t ask enough. Ha! My Gold on Black sold yesterday for $100. Those were the buy it now final sale prices.

[Timmargh]

* looks at empty wallet *
* looks at Oath Standard Gold on Black deck on shelf *
* looks at Oath Standard Gold on Gold deck next to it *
* looks back at empty wallet *

Idea ...

[Bradius]

Wow. That is incredible money even so. Maybe I will be more attached to them when they finally arrive. But dang, that is some serious cash being thrown about.

[hsbc]

Seriously. I figured these would instantly be going up on eBay for more than what Lotrek sold them for, but this is next-level

[STLBluesNut]

This one didn't last long. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Oath-Standard-G ... _cvip=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;...

Saw it, went to click on it out of interest sake and it had already sold.

That was my listing for $250. It was up less than three hours. I clearly didn’t ask enough. Ha! My Gold on Black sold yesterday for $100. Those were the buy it now final sale prices.

Perhaps I'm the only one who has this sentiment, but I don't feel that this is the most appropriate place for a reseller to come brag about his price gouging. Most of us here are true collectors who collect out of interest for the art and the cards.

People like you are the reason that someone who really wanted the deck at a reasonable price did not get one. Instead, they either go without or have to pay some ridiculous price. Save all your bullshit reasoning for people that might believe it. It just comes down to being greedy and exploitative.

Believe it or not there are people here who actually care about others and the community and buy extras when they can to help others out who may have not been able to make a sale or what not. And they don't double or triple+ the price.

So while I'm sure you have no qualms about it, it is a pretty shitty thing to do regardless if others are doing it or not or if someone else would just do it in your place. As far as I'm concerned, if you are a price gouging reseller you can stay the hell out of these forums.

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[Bradius]

STLBluesNut, I have definitely felt the way you have at times including once on a Lotrek deck I missed out on. That said, Magistrate1500 actually under-priced the deck and it sold in just a few minutes on eBay. Upon some reflection after my own venting when I missed a Lotrek sale, I realized if I was careful, I could often get a fair resale deal. Also, I am not convinced it is so easy to make a fast buck. We have several people complain about being ripped off by shady buyers. Also, decks I thought I could make a killing didn’t turn out that way. Certainly not consistently.

If anyone should me mad it is Lotrek. He obviously underpriced these decks.

[OVSUB]

Most of us here are true collectors who collect out of interest for the art and the cards.

Isn't that why many designers make more expensive limited edition stuff? The 'true' preempting the collective suggests there's a pure way to be a collector, if that was the case a hoarder would also be a 'true' collectors.

At the end of the day there are only 90 GOG and 300 GOB. Look at it this way if nobody bought the deck the seller would have to lower the price to what is generally seen as the market standard. Seeing that there are people willing enough to pay that money for the deck only proves that it is at a 'reasonable' price. To us it's gouging since the original seller, Lotrek sold the decks for 60(I forget was it 90(?)) and 40 quid or Euro (I need sleep). However to the market as a whole the deck is worth much, MUCH more than the original price in which case one can only deduce that Lotrek is selling us the decks at a discount.

Basically what I'm saying is that Decks are a luxury and as much as I would want them to be a right like healthcare should be, it's never going to happen. Same logic goes for 'collectors' anything, if it's limited there will almost always be an excess in demand. But honestly #@$ economics I'm too tired to care why am I even going to school when it will drive me deeper into debt all I get is stupid knowledge about market and economics and scarcity and boring stuff, can I please go back to being a kid without the hassle of adulting please? *sigh* it's never going to happen just like I will never get a GOG.

The guy sold the deck for lots of moola He's happy and a buyer is happy(potentially), whatever.

People like you are the reason that someone who really wanted the deck at a reasonable price did not get one. Instead, they either go without or have to pay some ridiculous price. Save all your bullshit reasoning for people that might believe it. It just comes down to being greedy and exploitative. Believe it or not there are people here who actually care about others and the community and buy extras when they can to help others out who may have not been able to make a sale or what not. And they don't double or triple+ the price.
So while I'm sure you have no qualms about it, it is a pretty shitty thing to do regardless if others are doing it or not or if someone else would just do it in your place. As far as I'm concerned, if you are a price gouging reseller you can stay the hell out of these forums.

I absolutely agree with your sentiment since it leaves me wondering if I would've gotten my hands on one of the beauts. I just think that at the end of the day the only thing you can really do i ignore them since there's no way to prevent them from buying the decks and then reselling them for an insane amount.

I'm running on 2 hours of sleep frm 3 day in row so I'm going to apologize ahead of time if I make any stupd statements and I'm off to bed before I trip and fall out my window. Also if I make it rich one day maybe I'll be able to be one of the people who buys extras for those who miss it and can just pass it to them. #$%^ I almost did fall out the window, im gone slep.

[OVSUB]

Seriously. I figured these would instantly be going up on eBay for more than what Lotrek sold them for, but this is next-level

Deserbs to be on Ebay on Crack thread.

[SirCrunoke]

Well I would really like to get one G.o.G since I had not enough to pay for that.
I am a Trainee at the moment and don't got that much every month. Maybe I shouldn't buy theese expensive decks, but like everybody here, or at least the most, it is my hobby and if I can afford it I will go with it. But not for that high price.
I got a Blue Oath coming, will I sell that for 500$? Good no I am very happy that I got it the normal way, and thats more worth for ME than having that money which will go away for anything else anyway.
So I am happy to have such aesthetic decks.

Lotrek could file a claim since everybody who resells on Ebay just uses the pictures from Lotrek. Well every designer could. They don't do as far as I can see. Why? Probably cause it is more work to do, than just let it be. But I think the Sellers could at least make SOME effort and take their own pictures. Often they also use the datail about the deck from the Designer also. That's just like buying something and reselling it and not caring at all.

Look at it this way. If everybody would just buy everything he gets and sell it for much more, it would be terrible for everyone here on earth.

I want to thank the guys who are trading or selling with heart!

At last I want to say again I offer to trade some of my finest Lotrek decks which I got spare or something else from my PF52, for a G.o.G.

[Harvonsgard]

Perhaps I'm the only one who has this sentiment, but I don't feel that this is the most appropriate place for a reseller to come brag about his price gouging. Most of us here are true collectors who collect out of interest for the art and the cards.

People like you are the reason that someone who really wanted the deck at a reasonable price did not get one. Instead, they either go without or have to pay some ridiculous price. Save all your bullshit reasoning for people that might believe it. It just comes down to being greedy and exploitative.

Believe it or not there are people here who actually care about others and the community and buy extras when they can to help others out who may have not been able to make a sale or what not. And they don't double or triple+ the price.

So while I'm sure you have no qualms about it, it is a pretty shitty thing to do regardless if others are doing it or not or if someone else would just do it in your place. As far as I'm concerned, if you are a price gouging reseller you can stay the hell out of these forums.

Ehm... yes and no. I do agree with everything you said about resellers except for the part that they shouldn't brag or that they should stay out if here. You know, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer! It's always good to know with whom you are dealing with and therefore who you're going to support and who to put on a black list.

[Bikefanatic]

I seen Golden Oath sell on average $200-$250 (except that dude selling them for $900 on ebay). I didn't think G.O.G. would go beyond that.

[JacksandJokers]

Thought I should add a few words seeing as it was one of our sales that sparked this debate.

First off:
@OVSUB: We already made it to the crack thread
@STLBluesNut: I welcome your opinion but feel it is unjust to say that resellers should "stay the hell away from these forums"

Like most resellers on this forum we were collectors prior to becoming resellers and have been members here long before many of the current forum users.

With regards to the sale: The way I see it we are supporting the creators.

If I wasn't under the impression that a particular deck was something I wanted for my personal collection or I didn't think it would resell reasonably well then I wouldn't bother making the purchase in the first place, and certainly wouldn't be buying duplicates. In doing so we are supporting the creators of the work, particularly where we are purchasing multiple decks.

The Gold on Gold deck we "flipped" because we hoped that it would make a decent profit.
This profit will now go to support other creator's work - In this case, most likely, Gio's Italia Davina, Minty's Ascensions and / or Lotrek's Crypt which otherwise we may not have had the funds to do so.

[Magistrate1500]

@STLBluesnut:
I can honestly say I didn’t post it to brag. It was to give others an indication of what it might be worth to buy or sell. I have a pretty large collection and keep most of it. I do resell sometimes for a little extra cash to buy decks I will use and to fund start up cost for Kickstarter projects (prototypes, printing etc). I guess the point is that everyone has different motivations for reselling (or not) and none of it is necessarily wrong. I’ve been on UC for a while now and it’s a great group of people. I don’t ever set out to piss anyone off. The hobby (as a collector, creator, reseller) is just too much fun!

However, rereading my last post I can see how it comes off as bragging without some context.

[Harvonsgard]

but feel it is unjust to say that resellers should "stay the hell away from these forums"

[STLBluesNut]

I suppose I could have been more clear in my thoughts, but at least it sparked discussion.

The main point in my mind was it feels to me that is just in bad form and taste to come here and brag about how much you just marked up a deck and sold it. Especially right in the thread where others were just seconds late to get one. My understanding that it was limited to one per customer so in my mind it was bought with the intention to mark it up and sell it for as much as possible.

I should have been more clear as well on resellers. I meant price gouging resellers, not those trying to run an honest business.

I know there will always be this kind of reseller and it cannot be prevented but it makes it no less frustrating. I did not buy this deck or try to. I generally don't care for "rarity". For the most part, many Lotrek designs are just not what interest me especially for the price. However, there are those here who do like his decks and it may be a stretch to even afford them at the under $100 mark but they weren't able to get them as a percentage of them were bought just to gouge the aftermarket.

Anyway, IMO, price gouging resellers suck in any hobby or market. They certainly will never get any money from me.

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[Bikefanatic]

* looks at empty wallet *
* looks at Oath Standard Gold on Black deck on shelf *
* looks at Oath Standard Gold on Gold deck next to it *
* looks back at empty wallet *

Idea ...

With this comment, did someone make you an offer yet?

[Timmargh]

[...]

With this comment, did someone make you an offer yet?

Not as yet, no.

[OVSUB]

but feel it is unjust to say that resellers should "stay the hell away from these forums"

I suppose I could have been more clear in my thoughts, but at least it sparked discussion.

The main point in my mind was it feels to me that is just in bad form and taste to come here and brag about how much you just marked up a deck and sold it. Especially right in the thread where others were just seconds late to get one. My understanding that it was limited to one per customer so in my mind it was bought with the intention to mark it up and sell it for as much as possible.

I should have been more clear as well on resellers. I meant price gouging resellers, not those trying to run an honest business.

I know there will always be this kind of reseller and it cannot be prevented but it makes it no less frustrating. I did not buy this deck or try to. I generally don't care for "rarity". For the most part, many Lotrek designs are just not what interest me especially for the price. However, there are those here who do like his decks and it may be a stretch to even afford them at the under $100 mark but they weren't able to get them as a percentage of them were bought just to gouge the aftermarket.

Anyway, IMO, price gouging resellers suck in any hobby or market. They certainly will never get any money from me.

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Agreed

[SirCrunoke]

Thought I should add a few words seeing as it was one of our sales that sparked this debate.

First off:
@OVSUB: We already made it to the crack thread
@STLBluesNut: I welcome your opinion but feel it is unjust to say that resellers should "stay the hell away from these forums"

Like most resellers on this forum we were collectors prior to becoming resellers and have been members here long before many of the current forum users.

With regards to the sale: The way I see it we are supporting the creators.

If I wasn't under the impression that a particular deck was something I wanted for my personal collection or I didn't think it would resell reasonably well then I wouldn't bother making the purchase in the first place, and certainly wouldn't be buying duplicates. In doing so we are supporting the creators of the work, particularly where we are purchasing multiple decks.

The Gold on Gold deck we "flipped" because we hoped that it would make a decent profit.
This profit will now go to support other creator's work - In this case, most likely, Gio's Italia Davina, Minty's Ascensions and / or Lotrek's Crypt which otherwise we may not have had the funds to do so.

C R Y P T does not need resellers. I think it will go like a flash.

[Harvonsgard]

No deck needs them. Everyone knows that the justification is bullocks to say it the least . As if Gio, Lotrék and Steve (or any other good designer for that matter) couldn't sell their decks without any reseller.

[OVSUB]

My wallet is very tight, other than the fact I'm throwing my money as hard as I can at Gio, Lotrek, Lorenzo, and the other people who designed beautiful decks. I must say that due to this fact I'm slightly embarrassed that I like to purchase some of their cards from resellers that underprice the decks and because many of them are nice, I do unfortunately rely on them at a decent rate. I personally would buy directly and deplete their stocks of cards if I could but alas I can't so cheap resellers are the best I can do for the most part.

[SirCrunoke]

My wallet is very tight, other than the fact I'm throwing my money as hard as I can at Gio, Lotrek, Lorenzo, and the other people who designed beautiful decks. I must say that due to this fact I'm slightly embarrassed that I like to purchase some of their cards from resellers that underprice the decks and because many of them are nice, I do unfortunately rely on them at a decent rate. I personally would buy directly and deplete their stocks of cards if I could but alas I can't so cheap resellers are the best I can do for the most part.

There are resellers underpricing? You mean from sites which get them in Bulks, like in a KS campaign? I did not notice this with the Lotrek decks I got, they are all the time the cheapest from Lotrek himself.
Or do you mean to get them from resellers of you region to save shipping cost?
I am confused.

[OVSUB]

There are resellers underpricing? You mean from sites which get them in Bulks, like in a KS campaign? I did not notice this with the Lotrek decks I got, they are all the time the cheapest from Lotrek himself.
Or do you mean to get them from resellers of you region to save shipping cost?
I am confused.

Mostly people who bought decks but no longer want them mostly old collectors or just people under liquidity crunch. Perhaps some of them bought bulk idk. Mostly people who are getting rid of their cards some on random websites, blogs, Reddit,etc. Esp Reddit some people there over price but some are nice enough to be selling at massive discounts. Idk I think I'm confusing myself at this point.

[Bradius]

I just received my Oath GoB and GoG decks today. While I didn't open the decks (may they forever be sealed in their plastic shipping bag), I did open my sample cards. I was kinda liking the GoB, but the sparkly GoG is sweet. Not gonna lie. The handling does seem improved (thumbs up), but it would be better to handle a full deck to make that assessment. I am glad for a nice white card stock. Does the deck have a dark core? It didn't look like it. In fact, it looks like a single sheet rather than two pieces glued together. The back foil impressions did show up a little on the front of the cards, but mainly the outside border. In any event it was really feint for me and I had to make an effort to find it. Since it was just printing on the front, there were no front impressions on the back of the cards. Again, from the few cards I handled, it seemed like the GoG cards were a bit stiffer for some reason that the GoB cards. Maybe it was my imagination.

[hsbc]

Does the deck have a dark core? It didn't look like it.

Definitely the stock will be different. The Collector’s edition is printed on a stock that doesn’t have a black core.

[Harvonsgard]

Does the deck have a dark core? It didn't look like it.

Lotrék mentioned it here that the whole idea was to use the foil back as the replacement for the black glue which is only black to make it impossible to see through the cards. The foil is opaque enough that Lotrék could use the stock without black glue.

it seemed like the GoG cards were a bit stiffer for some reason that the GoB cards. Maybe it was my imagination.

Not necessarly only in your imagination. Lotrék used two differnt stocks. This is why there're only 90 GoG because his paper merchant didn't had more from the stock (Damn you paper merchant !!!).

[RWPPFFShuffle]

Definitely no dark core in the paper stock, but the foil makes it opaque. By the way, which loose cards did you all get? I got a GoG J, 8, and 5 of Hearts. Curious to see if we'd be able to cobble together a full deck

[hsbc]

By the way, which loose cards did you all get? I got a GoG J, 8, and 5 of Hearts. Curious to see if we'd be able to cobble together a full deck

GoG: 6oC, KoC, 5oH
GoB: 3oD, JoS, 10oC

[Daisho]

By the way, which loose cards did you all get? I got a GoG J, 8, and 5 of Hearts. Curious to see if we'd be able to cobble together a full deck

I ordered two sets of loose cards, and ended up with two full decks of them.



That reminds me. Lotrek, I ordered two sets of loose cards, and ended up with two full decks of them. So please PM me on how to move forward with that. I'm thinking I could remove the three I like and then send the rest back, but that seems kind of roundabout.