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kevork wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:12 pm I fed some data and comments into the machine pictured above (thank you Gandalf, but please do not divulge its orbital location), and it spewed out this quote:

Thirdway Industries wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:42 am There are 3 different layers of foil on the backs, a lot of manual work is involved, and I suppose it was really complicated to produce - it took pratically 2 years to make.

It states for perspective, Fortuna Exquisite with three hot foils on the back, took Expert Playing Cards about 2 years to make. This stuff is really challenging to do and when you're doing it on your own using various printers for each step (likely out of necessity), it takes quite a long time to get right.

I wonder, will Lotrek be open to employ a few people that can helped him out? OR he prefers to do everything SOLO for as long as he still standing?

PS: wow, this thread had reached up to 63 pages - what a record!

laitostarr777 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 2:04 am I wonder, will Lotrek be open to employ a few people that can helped him out? OR he prefers to do everything SOLO for as long as he still standing?

PS: wow, this thread had reached up to 63 pages - what a record!

I'd be curious what he would employ others to do? He already hires people for various tasks such as making plates, gilding, printing, foiling, etc.
He doesn't directly do every single part of the process himself, but he is still highly involved in each step as far as I'm aware. The only people I can think of who directly handle(d) every single aspect of cardmaking from start to finish in the modern era are Karl Gerich and Elaine Lewis. Although I'm not sure if Elaine Lewis makes her own plates or not.

Here's an example of someone (not Lotrek) taking care of the cutting process for Royal Silk: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CurAVe9AIix/

I do believe she does her own plates - so does the mighty AI: “ Elaine Lewis, known for her playing cards, does indeed engrave her own printing plates. She uses traditional engraving techniques, creating detailed and intricate designs that are then used for printing. Her involvement in the process allows for a high degree of artistic control and contributes to the unique character of her playing cards.”

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 9:11 am I do believe she does her own plates - so does the mighty AI: “ Elaine Lewis, known for her playing cards, does indeed engrave her own printing plates. She uses traditional engraving techniques, creating detailed and intricate designs that are then used for printing. Her involvement in the process allows for a high degree of artistic control and contributes to the unique character of her playing cards.”

If you prompted the AI with "where did you source this particular information from?" would it tell you? Because various search engines are seeing a reduction in overall quality, and apparently even chatGPT is getting dumber in some ways.

I asked it and it was quite forthcoming - the results came from directly from its “knowledge of artists of that type”, otherwise known as “thin air”

The good old "Trust me on that bro". Best sauce ever!

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 9:11 am so does the mighty AI

Do we really need to hear what the very fancy parrot has to say?

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:14 pm

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 9:11 am so does the mighty AI

Do we really need to hear what the very fancy parrot has to say?

The fancy parrot still sings better than I do, let him sing

Just like like AI make art, if it makes bad art I wont buy it. If it makes good art I'll consider it.

We certainly get a stream of crap quality human drawn stuff.

And considering I'm pretty sure that haven't taught AI to tastefully incorporate foiling into its generated playing cards that really narrows the # of AI decks Im going to buy.

When its used to generate assets as part of a human assembled large product like apparently was here, or in the Spirits deck I don't really have a problem with it.

It is true that asking chat for an answer is hit or miss - and yes, I am wondering why I still ask it things

My son even hates me leaning on it for the quick reply art - but that I’m sticking with until the villagers arrive with pitchforks

kështu që tani presim edhe 3 muaj të tjerë

double_left wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 2:30 pm kështu që tani presim edhe 3 muaj të tjerë

Did this fail to translate?

"So now we wait another 3 months" per Google translate.

@double_left has turned into an optimist?

Anybody know the price point on the new white patrons? I assume it's a patrons only thing since his latest update is locked to patrons only.

crazy_lazy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:52 am Anybody know the price point on the new white patrons? I assume it's a patrons only thing since his latest update is locked to patrons only.

60 euro, limit 1 per order until everyone has a day or so to decide. (theres 143 left at the moment out of 325)

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:05 am

crazy_lazy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:52 am Anybody know the price point on the new white patrons? I assume it's a patrons only thing since his latest update is locked to patrons only.

60 euro, limit 1 per order until everyone has a day or so to decide. (theres 143 left at the moment out of 325)

That number makes my stomach hurt.

Actually, he is only making 250 available right now out of the 325. Currently there are 126 remaining out of the 250. So, 201 out of the 325 are left. He did not state how/if/when the additional 75 will be available.

If anyone got more than a few extra extras, know that I'm in the market

PiazzaDelivery wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:17 pm If anyone got more than a few extra extras, know that I'm in the market

I'm not sure why he didn't give a heads up this time. I was still asleep when he removed the sale limits.

There were still 103 left when I woke up an hour and a half after the update but looks like those were all gone within the next hour.

Per Lotrek, there are a few more reserved. If any active Patrons missed out, I'd send him a message

No pics of the card faces is shown. I hope this isn't just a white tuck swap. I did not get extra decks.

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:16 pm No pics of the card faces is shown. I hope this isn't just a white tuck swap. I did not get extra decks.

If you have Redemption Series Vol. VI, then this would be the same deck except red ink on the backs versus black, and better foil registration.

kevork wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:24 pm

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:16 pm No pics of the card faces is shown. I hope this isn't just a white tuck swap. I did not get extra decks.

If you have Redemption Series Vol. VI, then this would be the same deck except red ink on the backs versus black, and better foil registration.

Also the smooth foil finish as opposed to the air cushions stock on the Redemption deck right?

“slightly delayed”
seems like im not the only one thats tired of slowtreks excuses
funny how white patron decks are sold back to the pumpers instead of gifted which slowtrek shouldve done in the first place
60€ x 360 decks roughly ~21,600€ on top of the monies pulled from jan-jun
so redemption v8 9 10 where r they peeps oh ya being sold in a fancy white tuck box now and classified as slightly perfect
cant even get a print run completed without issues on yr9

This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S. Hickman is a voice of reason now? Hahaha.

Oneiros88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:02 am

kevork wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:24 pm

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:16 pm No pics of the card faces is shown. I hope this isn't just a white tuck swap. I did not get extra decks.

If you have Redemption Series Vol. VI, then this would be the same deck except red ink on the backs versus black, and better foil registration.

Also the smooth foil finish as opposed to the air cushions stock on the Redemption deck right?

I believe you are correct.

double_left wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:01 am funny how white patron decks are sold back to the pumpers instead of gifted which slowtrek shouldve done in the first place

Separately, I asked Lotrek if he should wait to put out the white patrons decks until after fulfilling year one in order to not get any pushback or possibly use them as a Redemption deck. He said they were not subpar or flawed in any way once he had consolidated all the good cards. It's just that he didn't have enough of them in the end (only 325). We're already getting the Silk Rule deck as a gift aside from Redemptions.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:11 am This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S. Hickman is a voice of reason now? Hahaha.

Isn't he a seller? So his motivations may slightly differ from the average collector.

LAST CHANCE for Patrons for the final 50 White Patrons decks tomorrow (12 June, 9:00pm UTC)

kevork wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:21 am Isn't he a seller? So his motivations may slightly differ from the average collector.

I'm not and I still approve Hickman's above message.

I received a shipping notification from Oath but don't know what is it.

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:34 pm I received a shipping notification from Oath but don't know what is it.

Year 1?

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:34 pm I received a shipping notification from Oath but don't know what is it.

White Patrons in all likelihood?