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TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:13 pm We will have more info soon but as of now Cartamundi has had some massive delays. They are in the process of relocating custom playing cards production from Belgium to a Fournier facility in Spain with ramp up being Jan 2024. This is too much delay and uncertainty. As a result we are likely to shift production of Groundskeeper and other projects to WJPCC or Legends. We are discussing the projects with both manufacturers.

hsbc wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:32 pm I would rather wait for Cartamundi

montenzi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:05 pm WJPC is a risky option for printing the majority of decks there. They are more suitable for small print runs or decks priced at $10-15.

In the past few months, I have tested new decks from various factories, and in my opinion, TWPC (Taiwan) is one of the best in Asia. Check out RS decks or Jetsetters (EPCC via TWPC?)

Legends is perhaps the next option, but I believe their new Viper finish is a bit of a mixed bag as it is too thin. Classic stock + Legends?

The full list is still the same:
1. Cartamundi
2. TWPC
3. WJPC / Legends
4. USPCC

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:53 pm Thanks for the recommendation. Do you have a contact for TWPC?

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:53 pm

montenzi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:05 pm WJPC is a risky option for printing the majority of decks there. They are more suitable for small print runs or decks priced at $10-15.

In the past few months, I have tested new decks from various factories, and in my opinion, TWPC (Taiwan) is one of the best in Asia. Check out RS decks or Jetsetters (EPCC via TWPC?)

Legends is perhaps the next option, but I believe their new Viper finish is a bit of a mixed bag as it is too thin. Classic stock + Legends?

The full list is still the same:
1. Cartamundi
2. TWPC
3. WJPC / Legends
4. USPCC

Thanks for the recommendation. Do you have a contact for TWPC?

Tomorrow we have a Wyrm Lyfe going out that covers us dealing with a pivot in our card manufacturing. We wanted to share it with you all here first, so you hear it from us rather than via YouTube later on. This will go live tomorrow (8/10) at 8:00am ET.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_5l_ ... l=Wyrmwood
While Wyrm Lyfe is dedicated to showcasing all of the things we are dealing with on a day to day basis, especially problems, we actually foresee this being a net positive for the project, and for you, our backers! The video covers the situation, but here are some key takeaways:

Cartamundi is in the middle of moving production from their facilities in Turnhout, Belgium to Fournier facilities in Spain and has currently suspended all custom playing cards production pending the move until at least January 2024. Unfortunately that would mean us. This is likely to cause significant delays, and the card production is already the key bottleneck in our fulfillment.
We just learned of this, despite these plans being in place for months, due to Omar uncovering the information while following up on his other projects, which have been having their production estimates shifted back several times by Cartamundi with vague explanations until recently.
The shift of production facilities to Spain from Belgium is not a simple undertaking. And the risk of additional delays is very real. Additionally, although Cartamundi assured Omar of continued quality it's hard to predict the exact outcome of the newly produced decks. Things as simple as weather and climate in much more southern regions can have a big effect on paper product manufacturing.
Therefore, we can either accept the delay, uncertain outcomes and whatever else comes with the shift of production to Spain, or locate the project to another manufacturer ourselves.
We have identified one such manufacturer, and they've already been brought up to speed on our project. They are currently quoting a much faster turnaround, for products of comparable, excellent quality and features. We've received samples of their previous work and hope to order an additional round of Groundskeeper prototypes to further verify their capabilities, prior to committing to this new manufacturer. But even so, this will be done WAY before Jan 2024.
While we regret having to make this change, we wanted to inform you as soon as possible in the interest of transparency.
We genuinely believe this will ultimately be for the best: we will be able to get you fantastic products, potentially even faster than scheduled!

vasta41 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:17 pm Latest update:

Tomorrow we have a Wyrm Lyfe going out that covers us dealing with a pivot in our card manufacturing. We wanted to share it with you all here first, so you hear it from us rather than via YouTube later on. This will go live tomorrow (8/10) at 8:00am ET.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_5l_ ... l=Wyrmwood
While Wyrm Lyfe is dedicated to showcasing all of the things we are dealing with on a day to day basis, especially problems, we actually foresee this being a net positive for the project, and for you, our backers! The video covers the situation, but here are some key takeaways:

Cartamundi is in the middle of moving production from their facilities in Turnhout, Belgium to Fournier facilities in Spain and has currently suspended all custom playing cards production pending the move until at least January 2024. Unfortunately that would mean us. This is likely to cause significant delays, and the card production is already the key bottleneck in our fulfillment.
We just learned of this, despite these plans being in place for months, due to Omar uncovering the information while following up on his other projects, which have been having their production estimates shifted back several times by Cartamundi with vague explanations until recently.
The shift of production facilities to Spain from Belgium is not a simple undertaking. And the risk of additional delays is very real. Additionally, although Cartamundi assured Omar of continued quality it's hard to predict the exact outcome of the newly produced decks. Things as simple as weather and climate in much more southern regions can have a big effect on paper product manufacturing.
Therefore, we can either accept the delay, uncertain outcomes and whatever else comes with the shift of production to Spain, or locate the project to another manufacturer ourselves.
We have identified one such manufacturer, and they've already been brought up to speed on our project. They are currently quoting a much faster turnaround, for products of comparable, excellent quality and features. We've received samples of their previous work and hope to order an additional round of Groundskeeper prototypes to further verify their capabilities, prior to committing to this new manufacturer. But even so, this will be done WAY before Jan 2024.
While we regret having to make this change, we wanted to inform you as soon as possible in the interest of transparency.
We genuinely believe this will ultimately be for the best: we will be able to get you fantastic products, potentially even faster than scheduled!

I, for one, would MUCH rather wait for C. This is bad news as far as I'm concerned. What is this mystery printer??

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:20 pm I'm excited to see the results of the change. I'm not as high on Cartamundi as some. They're great for standard decks, but I don't like how they do foiling. I think the foiled decks done by WJPCC will end up looking better.

vasta41 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:38 pm

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:20 pm I'm excited to see the results of the change. I'm not as high on Cartamundi as some. They're great for standard decks, but I don't like how they do foiling. I think the foiled decks done by WJPCC will end up looking better.

Just to put things into perspective, you did still pledge for the project knowing it was going to be printed by Cardimundi, correct?

vasta41 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:11 pm Anyone who is upset should direct their complaints to C.

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:04 pm

vasta41 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:38 pm

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:20 pm I'm excited to see the results of the change. I'm not as high on Cartamundi as some. They're great for standard decks, but I don't like how they do foiling. I think the foiled decks done by WJPCC will end up looking better.

Just to put things into perspective, you did still pledge for the project knowing it was going to be printed by Cardimundi, correct?

Yes, and I'm still glad for the change. The campaign is still ongoing. It's not like the printer was changed after the campaign was funded.

kevork wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:01 am If I can fan it well, I'm a fan.

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:15 am I just received the Midas deck from Gio. And I already had the 17th Kingdom experimental. BOTH printed by WJPCC. I AM SUPER IMPRESSED. The decks feel fantastic. Silky smooth Gilding on MIDAS is top notch. No clumping. Easy fans and springs. Just really really impressed. I opened a USPCC deck gio sent me and its not nearly as nice. I already thought USPCC was sub-standard to Cartamundi. I'm on the record for saying it. BUT NOW? Heck WJPCC is definitely better.