Tally-Ho Emerald Edition from King's Wild Project

[Mike Ratledge]

So maybe I missed it somewhere, but I thought the price for display decks included shipping, yet when adding in backerkit got charged shipping on top of the price for the decks. Not complaining, just want to confirm since I would've added the correct amount during the campaign.

Same here, chach. I paid $7 per with Scarlet Tally-Ho, $9 now?

[flyers3003]

So maybe I missed it somewhere, but I thought the price for display decks included shipping, yet when adding in backerkit got charged shipping on top of the price for the decks. Not complaining, just want to confirm since I would've added the correct amount during the campaign.

Same here, chach. I paid $7 per with Scarlet Tally-Ho, $9 now?

It must've been an error. I contacted Jackson. I didn't hear back from him, but it looks like it is now fixed. $7 each, no additional shipping for domestic.

[chach]

Cool. I just double checked and it looks like it auto-corrected the order as well. No additional charges showing on the backerkit page.

[aztecas101]

Added uncut sheet, first one owned so quick Q... What do you folks display them in?

[Cbkimble]

Added uncut sheet, first one owned so quick Q... What do you folks display them in?

Check out this thread. Has several good ideas.

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[Eoghann]

Cool. I just double checked and it looks like it auto-corrected the order as well. No additional charges showing on the backerkit page.

I'm still getting charged though. I pledged for 4 display decks but I'm 4 dollars short for the fourth deck because it's added shipping.

[JacksonRobinson]

Cool. I just double checked and it looks like it auto-corrected the order as well. No additional charges showing on the backerkit page.

I'm still getting charged though. I pledged for 4 display decks but I'm 4 dollars short for the fourth deck because it's added shipping.

You shouldn't have an extra shipping charge if you have a U.S. shippin address. Send me an email to jackson@kingswildproject.com with your name and email and I can log on as you and also see what's might be going on.

[Eoghann]

Yeah, something funky is going on with Backerkit. I'll send you the info, thanks!

[JacksonRobinson]

Yeah, something funky is going on with Backerkit. I'll send you the info, thanks!

I haven't logged into your account yet but the shipping you are seeing there is the domestic shipping charge collected during the Kickstarter, ( that is attached to your specific tier) that's why your add ons show up below the line and your pledge and shipping above the line. You will also notice the shipping charge is labeled "pledge level shipping" an not "add on shipping"

I'll know for sure when I log in, which will be shortly.

[chach]

Thoughts / feelings on this Silver Edition debacle? USPCC accidentally packages all 200 decks in regular tucks and uses all the seals. JR happens to have an excess amount of gilded decks available to avoid a reprint (even though only 200 were to have ever been printed) and all that is required is to put these excess decks into proper tucks and reprint the seals. So now he has an extra 200 gilded decks to offload. 200 decks in their own packaging, that in essence carry the same rarity and value as the 200 in "proper" tucks.

My viewpoint may not be a popular one, but I think rather than selling them to any backer, they should be either destroyed or sold / given exclusively to the people that had pledged for gilded decks in the first place and only then if there are any remaining should they be sold to other backers.

[Bikefanatic]

That would've been a treat if some people would've got a $36 worth deck in their $7 tuck box. Would've been great to have the silver gilded deck to display and a silver gilded deck to play with!

[double_left]

Looks like he's going to figure it out with our intentions as best he can.

Thanks,

[hikeeba]

My viewpoint may not be a popular one, but I think rather than selling them to any backer, they should be either destroyed or sold / given exclusively to the people that had pledged for gilded decks in the first place and only then if there are any remaining should they be sold to other backers.

I agree. I think it would be nice if they could be matched with the serial numbers those supporters are already getting.

[JacksonRobinson]

Thoughts / feelings on this Silver Edition debacle? USPCC accidentally packages all 200 decks in regular tucks and uses all the seals. JR happens to have an excess amount of gilded decks available to avoid a reprint (even though only 200 were to have ever been printed) and all that is required is to put these excess decks into proper tucks and reprint the seals. So now he has an extra 200 gilded decks to offload. 200 decks in their own packaging, that in essence carry the same rarity and value as the 200 in "proper" tucks.

My viewpoint may not be a popular one, but I think rather than selling them to any backer, they should be either destroyed or sold / given exclusively to the people that had pledged for gilded decks in the first place and only then if there are any remaining should they be sold to other backers.

I think using the word debacle might be a little strong for this instance. I call the Moriarty Debacle and debacle. I always print extra decks for two reasons 1. USPCC will print the extra decks weather you like or not especially if you doing a run of gilding because they botch 10% - 15% of the decks during the gilding process right off the bat. I printed to few gilded decks for the Scarlett edition and ended up having to cut it pretty much down to the line exactly with the number of gilded deck we had on hand which left for no extras for damaged decks during shipment. 2. To protect my self from these very issues they will always happen.

I like your idea about offering these extra gilded decks to the people who pledged for the gilded decks in the first place. I don't see any issue with that as backerkit will allow me to send invites or limit an addon to a specific tier.

[JacksonRobinson]

My viewpoint may not be a popular one, but I think rather than selling them to any backer, they should be either destroyed or sold / given exclusively to the people that had pledged for gilded decks in the first place and only then if there are any remaining should they be sold to other backers.

I agree. I think it would be nice if they could be matched with the serial numbers those supporters are already getting.

This might be possible as well, but not 100% sure. As there will be a small number of deck that will get damaged, breaking the pairs.

[aztecas101]

Sounds good to me

[JacksonRobinson]

My viewpoint may not be a popular one, but I think rather than selling them to any backer, they should be either destroyed or sold / given exclusively to the people that had pledged for gilded decks in the first place and only then if there are any remaining should they be sold to other backers.

Chach, that's a great option and recommendation, but knowing Jackson, he'll want to make a profit off them (which is wrong) and continue his corporate greed that drives him. He'll deny that, but obviously this "solution" of his is another clear example of just that.

Re-selling a mistake USPCC made instead of giving them out to the people that pledged specifically for the gilded decks as a bonus and rare item should be his first thought, but instead, he's looking to make more $$$ on top of the 35K that was already raised. You know USPCC isn't charging him for their mistake, so why should he make profit on top of profit.

You are free not to support my projects if you feel that my only motive is greed and profit. 2 of the 5 project you have backed on kickstarter have been mine.

[double_left]

You are free not to support my projects if you feel that my only motive is greed and profit. 2 of the 5 project you have backed on kickstarter have been mine.

You are correct Jackson, BTW, that's my second account on Kickstarter. lol

Anyways, you try your best and I guess that's what matters....

[chach]

Thanks for the clarification JR, I knew USPCC printed extra, just didn't know it was that many extra or that you had so few of the Scarlet ones. Guess it worked out perfectly in this case, and yes, debacle may have been a slightly strong choice of words, but it sounded better than SNAFU. The situation involving Venexiana Dark would be more aptly described as a debacle than this.

Thank you for considering selling to the silver pledgees first, I just think it'd be the most fair option. And yes, I'd even think that if I weren't in that group.

Also, Double_left, USPCC does charge for the mistake (in essence). In any of these cases of overruns creators always have to pay for the excess decks printed. This is common knowledge and quite a few creators have gone through this sort of situation IIRC. Why shouldn't they be able to recoup their costs in a situation such as this, just so long as it's done properly, and allowing the original silver pledgees first dibs is the proper way IMO.

[JacksandJokers]

Chach, I absolutely agree. People like myself were ready & waiting at the start of the campaign specifically so they could pledge for the limited gilded decks. Now all of a sudden there are an extra 200 gilded decks available. Just seems wrong to me. In my opinion those decks should be destroyed. I know Jackson may have had to pay extra for any overrun decks by USPCC but these decks would have been produced and had to be paid for anyway regardless of the error made on this occasion. I don't see why the original 200 gilded decks couldn't just be placed in the correct tucks - problem solved. As seems to be the concensus the fairest way to deal with the issue now is to simply offer these to those who pledged for the gilded decks originally first.

[SpecialK]

Definitely on board with the idea of selling to gilded tier backers first (any tier that included gilded). Having a "display" gilded deck sounds fantastic!

I take it a tuck swap isn't really feasible since they're already cellophane wrapped? Figure that'd be the easiest.

[Eoghann]

I vote for Jackson sending them all to me.

[joeblow]

I don't see anything questionable in this at all. Seems reasonable business practices.

Offering the decks to the original gilded pledges sounds like a good solution if it's possible and doesn't risk you running short.

[JacksonRobinson]

Definitely on board with the idea of selling to gilded tier backers first (any tier that included gilded). Having a "display" gilded deck sounds fantastic!

I take it a tuck swap isn't really feasible since they're already cellophane wrapped? Figure that'd be the easiest.

exactly the case, the decks had already been sealed and a cello wrapped before they figured out the error.

[Gareth]

People like myself were ready & waiting at the start of the campaign specifically so they could pledge for the limited gilded decks. Now all of a sudden there are an extra 200 gilded decks available. Just seems wrong to me. In my opinion those decks should be destroyed.

I completely understand this thinking, it is always a problem when a deck is sold as being really rare and then that rarity is diluted.

However, in this case I think Jackson has done the best he can - especially if the backers of gilded decks get first dibs on the 'error' decks. In many ways, just like with other collectibles - these 'error' decks are now an extra set of rare decks we can get from this project.

The only caveat is, that with the Scarlett decks I (and I assume other backers) received some unglued tuck boxes with my decks. If that happens with this edition, it gives the possibility of unscrupulous people shifting decks into the 'better' tucks and passing them off as part of the original 200.

[vasta41]

My 2 cents: In this instance the "error" won't hurt or lower the value of the "normal" gilded decks. The people who pledged for them (including myself) will still have a rare product with only so many in existence. Any extra gilded decks in a different tuck are just that, extra. No one will confuse them with the real deal. And why shouldn't Jackson sell them? If he somehow caused this error with intention of making a profit then shame on him. But do you really think he did? I think if he went back in time and had the chance to stop this error before it happened he would, regardless of the money-making opportunity.

[Fes]

No one will confuse them with the real deal.

They're absolutely real, no one is going to confuse them for salami since they're playing cards. Only expressing the fact they absolutely are real playing cards. I'm a backer as well.

I think he should ask for a small fee to cover shipping expenses and/or if necessary cost of gilding then ship the misplaced gildeds to the backers who ordered the gilded decks along with the gilded decks in their proper tucks. No harm, no foul, woopsie, here you go thanks backing the campaign and for helping out on the USPCC blunder, all that.

Something along those lines anyway.

[vasta41]

No one will confuse them with the real deal.

They're absolutely real, no one is going to confuse them for salami since they're playing cards. Only expressing the fact they absolutely are real playing cards. I'm a backer as well.

Sorry, what I meant to say is that no one will confuse this box:


...with this box:

[JacksandJokers]

ask for a small fee to cover shipping expenses and/or if necessary cost of gilding then ship the misplaced gildeds to the backers who ordered the gilded decks along with the gilded decks in their proper tucks.

This sounds like a fantastic solution. Ship them for a small fee to the original backers of the gilded decks. This way no one is expected to have to pay again for decks they thought they had already pledged for & the original backers still keep their 'limited' tier. The decks could even be paired up so they have matching numbered tucks.

[jerichoholic]

Should just give them to those who pledged for them never mind selling them. We paid a fair amount for them knowing they were pretty rare and now they are not so much.