Texasplayingcards.com

[sprouts1115]

This a new 64 card playing deck, or you could say it's the same 52 cards you know and love with a new paint job and 16 extra gaff cards. Hey Magician can you fan 64 cards? These cards are going start with Bicycle stock with Embossed Finish. The box is going to be made by a 3rd Party vender not Bicycle. Hopefully, I bring enough to the table where the cards sell themselves not the box. 2 things I bring to the table are: The Rank of the card is inside the Index and 4 colors are used to distinguish the suit at a distance...

Website: http://texasplayingcards.com Click on any card to enlarge it. I'm probably going to take the "Flicker" link out...

Kickstarter preview: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/213 ... n=6d6f5cb2 "Shipping Information" is still not complete its a monster. I heard rates are going up Jan 2014.

[Strag]

This is a joke right?

[alric]

Wow, where do I start? First of all, if you're actually going to sell this at over $10 per deck, it better be a damned good deck, but we have no way of knowing that right now since you don't have any pictures of the deck posted yet. Selling signed and numbered decks at $80 per deck isn't going to fly - good luck with that. Finally, even though $10 per deck is probably too high for this, if we're not from Texas, we'll get bumped off this price level and will have to pay even more? I hope that was a joke......

Let me tell you a secret, Cowboy: If you don't make significant adjustments to your Kickstarter campaign, you ain't getting funded. Shhhhhhhhhhh

[Strag]

Or how about you learn to spell and use grammar correctly as well?

Your; you're. It is really not that hard.

[DelMagic]

And you can't fit 64 cards in a standard card box.

[Strag]

And you can't fit 64 cards in a standard card box.

It's ok, math isn't his strong suit;

Order as many decks as you want for only $11 each! Want 10 decks? Just click here and pledge $111.

[badpete69]

Is it April 1st already?????

[sprouts1115]

read on its get better.

strag: the reward values will change. I just need something up there that is close:

alric: the shipping cost for sending one deck is about $5.15. if i create a imaginary fiquire of $3.00 per deck profit. $10.00 is not to off the chart. all values for the kickstarter are subject to change in fact, dont even look at them. its to soon to make a valued assignment. International shipping is what scares me. USPCC charges $5.00 per uncut sheet. I just threw theses money levels up there to have something there. they will be fine tuned.

delmagic: your right. USPCC can't make a box or tin or anything that can hold 64 cards. i have an estimate for $1900 of a company that can make me 5000 boxes to hold 64 cards. brings up the issue does the box or the cards sell the deck.

Hi Russell,

We can print as many cards per deck as you choose.

Yes, we can make a box that holds 64 cards.

Please let us know how we may assist you further.

Thank you,

Doug

Quality Playing Cards, Inc.
d/b/a Playing Cards R Us
7512 Dr. Phillips BLVD
Suite: 50-197
Orlando, FL 32819
407-298-3579 - All Services
407-532-2915 - Fax
sales@customizedplayingcards.com


Quality Playing Cards.......
"We will BEAT any Quote with Matching Specifications!"

[BMPokerworld]

criticism keep it coming:

strag: no joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoX4hxKMMG8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

alric: the shipping cost for sending one deck is about $5.15. if i create a imaginary fiquire of $3.00 per deck profit. $10.00 is not to off the chart. all values for the kickstarter are subject to change if fact dont even look at them its to soon to make a valued assignment. International shipping is what scares me. USPCC charges $5.00 per cut sheet. I just threw theses money levels up there to have something there they will adjust.

delmagic: your right. USPCC can't make a box or tin or anything that can hold 64 cards. i have an estimate for $1900 of a company that can make me 5000 boxes to hold 64 cards. brings up the issue does the box or the cards sell the deck.

Hi Russell,

We can print as many cards per deck as you choose.

Yes, we can make a box that holds 64 cards.

Please let us know how we may assist you further.

Thank you,

Doug

Quality Playing Cards, Inc.
d/b/a Playing Cards R Us
7512 Dr. Phillips BLVD
Suite: 50-197
Orlando, FL 32819
407-298-3579 - All Services
407-532-2915 - Fax
sales@customizedplayingcards.com


Quality Playing Cards.......
"We will BEAT any Quote with Matching Specifications!"

Don't know how your shipping one deck of cards, but 1 decks should cost you $2.28 per deck including a bubble envelope,a bubble pouch, label, etc...
Thanks!

[4pmdesigner]

Before you plan to launch your campaign, you might want to figure out your market. KS could be quite deceptive because people see how much some decks make and instantly think "wow that much raised for a deck of cards, I can get them made for way cheaper and make out like a bandit". That mentality will bring an instant "NO". There's a lot of homework that needs to be done before seriously approaching a playing card campaign. This community may be a bit more overprotective of this "hobby" than you may expect, and I don't just mean this forum.

As for shipping, REALLY do some hardcore research. Because its been a trend from the beginning, most designers bite the bullet for domestic/US shipping and cover the cost themselves. This doesn't mean you have to do that, but you better have a magnificent deck of cards that caters to every market of the playing card community if you expect them to easily accept adding shipping. Not just some people within a specific state. If you are aiming for a Texan market, then unfortunately your deck may be considered a gas station novelty deck. Expect a bitter sweet reaction.

Professional advice: research this market (stocks, finishes, cardistry, magicians, etc), do your homework with shipping (buy a postage scale and start experimenting), if you goal isn't making a quality playing card deck but rather making a profit from a growing market of KS playing cards, you might want to reevaluate the situation. This will not be as easy as it looks.

EDIT: I just noticed 2 things. 1. You're including a gross as a pledge, this is prohibited in KS, your campaign will be suspended for that. You can only include up to 12 decks/a brick in one pledge. 2. You're not including international shipping? This will certainly sink your campaign. A majority of our backers are international. Not only that, a majority of the HIGH paying backers are international. I don't know if its because you don't want to deal with customs shipping or that you're just super patriotic, but that is a seriously bad move.

[CBJ]

So you might be able to find someone that can make bigger boxes... but USPCC will not be able to print the decks for you like that.

Each sheet of cards at USPCC hold a maximum of 56 cards.. you would have to get them to print 2 sheets for each deck.

This KS campaign has so many flaws, you should just abandon it completely.

[vjose32]

What, you're only selling to Americans? This KS will be sunk faster than you can say Texas! I wouldn't pledge for something so patriotic anyway.

[Encarded]

Note that once your project is live, if even 1 person pledges for a level you cannot make any adjustments. Get everything in line first.

US domestic shipping via first class mail will be about $2 deck. I guess with this deck being all about Texas you won't get as many international pledgers but you need to compensate for those extra costs which are very high. 3-4x higher might be a starting ballpark ratio.

If you are planning on USPCC, you will almost certainly want to do a 56 card deck. I can't imagine the hassles involved with 64. I doubt that USPCC has any machines that can automate the packing of the cards with an odd size box. Even a fraction of a millimeter thicker tuck stock screwed up the processing of a recent deck from uspcc's biggest custom client. Frankly, any other card printer will basically lose you the serious cards collectors completely so you'd be relying purely on Texans for success.

Don't launch without figuring this all out or you will get into a Texas sized heap of mess.

[sprouts1115]

4pm: i'm trying to keep it simple with shipping. international shipping scares the crap out of me. actually i've noticed in kickstarter projects they circumvented the 10 of the same item per pledge rule. you mentioned the brick (12 decks). according to their rules and what i've seen on other kickstarter projects. i could sell more decks you just have to group them in a name. brick, 1/2 gross, gross and such. they say that 1 in 5 is an international shipper. so, yes i would lose about 25% of pledges.

CBJ: USPCC is going to print 2 cut sheets. the first cut sheet is (2-K) 4 times and the second cut sheet is the 4 aces 4 jokers repeated 7 times. the first cut sheet they quoted me a price of $1.75 per deck for 5000 decks and the second cut sheet at $6.22 per deck 715 times. and that is just embossed or smooth finish. I'm wanting Magic finish. so i'm looking at.
$8,750 for 5000 decks 1st cut sheet
$4,448 for 715 decks 2nd cut sheet
$1,900 for 5000 boxes
$379 for a custom seal

so that comes to $3.10 a deck for just a run of mill, no bells or whistles bicycle deck.

vjose32: you remind me of the first sentence in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypkv0HeUvTc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; we all live with apes.

Encarded: the way Tiffany explained it to me. USPCC will ship the 5715 decks in plain white tuck boxes with no plastic. so basically at home, ill have to package every 64 card deck 5000 times. well at least i can say it was assembled in San Antonio, Texas.

[4pmdesigner]

according to their rules and what i've seen on other kickstarter projects. i could sell more decks you just have to group them in a name. brick, 1/2 gross, gross and such.

KS rules state only 10 of one product regardless of title. They made an exception for playing cards because they come in bricks of 12. Ask the Ritual playing card campaign creator, they tried to title a gross as "1 Gross" and KS made him take it down and make their backers readjust their pledges. The KS staff isn't dumb, they'll know what a gross is. You can try it, but I guarantee you'll face some issues, that's if they even approve your campaign with the current rewards listed. Remember, you have to be approved before launching. Believe me, I'm approaching my 3rd KS campaign.

[darkinertia]

ouch, this is...wow. in my opinion, the exact wrong way of running a successful kickstarter. the idea to add more court cards is kind of cool, but im not sure if that will be useful to anyone since magicians need something that makes sense to viewers and flourishers dont give a damn about it, but the extra cards will throw off the feel while flourishing, i tried a 64 card deck with the studs just now and even with those extremely thin cards it was awkward

if anything, this brought up an interesting idea that ive thought about, people should look into bringing extremely old traditional decks back, like from medieval times since they differ so much from today.

not to mention i dont see a single bit of artwork anywhere, not even a mockup on that video of yours, not even a portfolio.

unless the artwork is mind blowing awesome (unlikely, im pretty sure its gonna be "YEEHAW 'MURICA!" which even as an american, its embarrassing) im staying far far away from this...i didnt even fund the stealth deck because i thought they didnt have enough to base my decision off of, at least not enough for me to pull money out of my wallet to trust them to make a great product....im all for innovative thinking but it needs to be flushed out before it goes on kickstarter.

[Aaron]

This is just a pure insult to the playing card community. Give up now no one will buy these might as well save yourself the time.

[Russell]

Wasn't this a KS project before? I vaguely remember some guy trying to reinvent poker by adding extra cards and new rules.

Is this the same thing repackaged? I have serious doubts on the concept and, so far, the execution.

[volantangel]

This is just a pure insult to the playing card community. Give up now no one will buy these might as well save yourself the time.

Well not true, i thought no one would buy the stealth deck, but i was wrong.. But please save yourself sometime and save us some time thanks !

[MJF]

I will not be backing that one...

and I'm disappointed Stealth has done as well as it has, since it's basically ripping off the design elements from another deck and way overpriced.

[walrus]

Yeah, not for me either. I do give a hats of to the creator for serving in the Armed Forces. Texas is a nice state but I have too much New Engalnd bllod in me. Texas is a big Tourist State, maybe this deck will find a niche.

[sprouts1115]

Latest from Tiffany: she is very nice on the phone too.

Hi Russell,
Our options and pricing guide should help you out with these questions. Thanks!

Air-cushion, magic and linen finish etc are all versions of embossed. Different people use the different names as marketing techniques. We use pantone metallics, you can use up to 6 inks of metallic/non metallic inks.



Thanks,
Tiffany

Finish: Smooth and Embossed finish are available at no extra charge.

Seals: USPC black seal is standard. We can order custom seals when artwork for a custom seal is submitted. Typical price is $0.10 per seal but depending on ink selection etc. it can be higher. Foil seals are not doable. The impressor’s laser eye will not read them.

Inks: We use Pantone color inks and metallic inks. Custom inks will be an additional price on a case per case basis.

Custom Tucks from our Tuck vendor: Price will vary depending on artwork, embossing/debossing, foil, quantity etc. Once we have the artwork we can get a quote from the vendor.

Gilding: Gold and Silver foil gilding is available. The base price for a custom deck with gilding is $4.60 per deck for 2,500 decks. The paper for the deck has to be Aristocrat 300 and a special finish is necessary. The artwork has to have a white border. Extra time is needed for the gilding process, amount of time necessary depends on order quantity.

Hard copy proofs are available upon request. These proofs are printed on a Fuji printer, not a printing press. Hard copy proofs are only good for a close estimate of what the printed deck will look like. Sample decks are printed the same way and are not meant to be handled but only to be used for example purposes.


From what i've read. Silver gilded edges with aristocrat stock is the final stretch goal; you've heard it here. the first stretch goal should be silver metallic for white or Q1 quality. I'm just going to use one metallic color to distinguish the deck. i think it would look cool for the number or letter in the suit to be silver. gilded it's a collectable. i've already asked Vivian to watch the white; it may change to silver. if it becomes an upgrade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kt1YHdKFaI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Removed custom quote information. 4PM's explanation below is correct. It's generally considered bad business practice to show the details of a specific contract. Prices change over time so this information can be quickly out-dated and can lead to confusion in the future. Also, I removed email addresses and contact information.
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[4pmdesigner]

Um, I'm not to sure about posting all of the USPCC's pricing and emails on an open forum. I could be wrong, but usually pricing is confidential between client and seller. I can see a lot of designers, and upcoming designers trying to use this as reference then causing problems when Tiffany presents them with altered pricing. Baseline quote or not, I'm sure if they wanted their prices out in the open it would be on their website.

[sprouts1115]

for all you people who come here 30 times a day, cut sheet #1 works, cut sheet #2 is on hold.

the shell is cracking.... im looking for Strag and MagikFingerz to take a second look. things are starting to move... basically, if you guys like the whole deal, i'll have a successful kickstarter.

Strag - yes you will not see any amazing art in the standard (K,Q,J) nor the (B,C) only different colors. the jokers are special. i told vivian to go crazy on the jokers. just needs to be a medieval theme with 30% primary color for the suit.

MagikFingerz - yea its a star, because of you i'm looking into thin borders and how the fan looks.

Russell - 200% Metalic Ink - it's the first step in making this cards a collector item.
300% Bee Stock - need to make sure the box can hold 64 cards in bee stock.
400% Magic Finish - if it's true i have a buffer. i wont tell if you wont tell. Glided edges are expensive.
500% Aristocrat Stock with silver glided edges. it's true Aristocrat stock is cheaper.

Paper: Aristocrat and Bicycle paper are given as the standard with no additional charge. Bee paper is $0.08 more per deck. Please note that if Bee paper is requested an additional 4 weeks will be needed as the tucks are a different size and ordered from an outside vendor. 5,000 decks is also the minimum quantity for Bee paper.

But....

Gilding: Gold and Silver foil gilding is available. The base price for a custom deck with gilding is $4.60 per deck for 2,500 decks. The paper for the deck has to be Aristocrat 300 and a special finish is necessary. The artwork has to have a white border. Extra time is needed for the gilding process, amount of time necessary depends on order quantity.


So you can see why, but i am going with embossed not smooth thanks to you. i'll take your recommendation. new court cards are comming soon.

[Atemus]

I'll be 100% honest, that as a card collector living in San Antonio, Tx, I have no interest in these. They are plain, overpriced, and just........ Not something that interests me.

[volantangel]

soooo, still no back design? And aside from it being a 4 coloured deck, and the indices within the pips, everything looks completely standard??

Im with Atemus, and its not just us, not many are going to take interest.

[Strag]

It may just be my aged eyes, but yeah I have a hard time making out the cards so it's impossible to tell if I like them or not.

Regardless it's going to be difficult to move forward with this deck without some amazing art IMO. Take a look at what is (and what is not) getting funded these days on KS. It's also going to be even harder with the USPS increase in shipping costs which will eliminate many international buyers due to price.

Unless a deck is truly amazing, going forward my modus operandi will be to wait and purchase in the aftermarket. It's a shame as that's a catch-22 as some decks will now not get funded as more backers feel this way.

[MagikFingerz]

So we'd be getting... what? 4 slightly modified standard queens, and that's it? That's all I see on the kickstarter page anyway.

Sorry dude.

EDIT: Just found the minuscule pics on the website. From what I can tell: Yawn... Seriously, how does the design relate to Texas? Oh wait, let me guess - the back will have a star on it

[Russell]

200% 30k Metallic Silver: What is white except for the faces and hands is now silver. Silver numbers and letters inside the suit now distinguishes the deck.
300% 45k Bee stock: Now we have good poker cards.
400% 60k Magic finish: Air-cushion, magic and linen finish etc are all versions of embossed. Different people use the different names as marking techniques.
500% 75k Aristocrat stock with gilded silver: Who can fan 64 cards? These decks are now collector items. I may have enough for a second run 01 002 2013. (deck,run,year). Check out the Ace of Hearts. The second run will only be standard Bicycle stock with embossed finish.

What is this?
200% The cards are now silver ink. - Nobody wants that for serious poker.
300% Bee Stock. - Yes, please.
400% Magic Finish. - You don't know what you are talking about. http://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=804" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Would they be smooth otherwise?
500% Aristocrat Stock - Why go back down to standard stock? Gilded edges? Complete garbage other than for 'collecting'.

You've asked for our opinions and are either ignoring them or you are listening to your friends/family who say they love the deck and have no clue to what they are actually saying or don't want to say 'no' to a friend.

Again, people only want to see one thing... the new court cards. THAT is what you are truly selling on kickstarter.

[4pmdesigner]

"400% Magic Finish. - You don't know what you are talking about. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=804 Would they be smooth otherwise?"

In his defense this is what has been relayed to everyone now straight from Tiffany at the USPCC. I was given the same exact response on The Grid as well as a few other designers I spoke with. I even re-confirmed it when going through with the Necronomicon deck. My first email for Tiffany wrote: "There is an embossed (magic, cambric, linen, air cushion) finish as well as a smooth (ivory) finish available." I also have a second email stating almost word for word what was given in his previous explanation. But I'm trying to shift through the countless emails to find it.

Maybe a new investigation is required to get it straightened out?

(EDIT: Found it! This was from the USPCC in July, "There is no new magic finish and yes magic and performance finish are different terms for the same embossed finish, also air cushion, cambric and linen are other marketing terms for embossed finish. Aristocrat grade stock is actually Bicycle grade stock. Aristocrat finish could also be a marketing term for embossed finish. We have 2 finishes – smooth and embossed. Bee and Bicycle (Aristocrat) are essentially the same paper but Bee is crushed at a different caliper to make it very slightly thicker.")