"Stained Glass" Playing Cards

[ecNate]

Pledge $12 or more
EARLY BIRD - ONE deck of "Stained Glass" Playing Cards at an early bird price! Domestic shipping included. Additional fee for International orders.

Pledge $15 or more
STANDARD - ONE deck of "Stained Glass" Playing Cards! Domestic shipping included. Additional fee for International orders.

[vasta41]

I like it overall, but my big beef? Black back border, white face border. No bueno.

[ecNate]

$12 EB and $15 a deck that may not even come with a tuck? VERY overpriced and prefer the similar themed deck that volantangel is working on. If this deck was properly priced at $6-8 it would be a fairly good option even with the issues, but at least then it would fit the end result and actual cost.

[volantangel]

$12 EB and $15 a deck that may not even come with a tuck? VERY overpriced and prefer the similar themed deck that volantangel is working on. If this deck was properly priced at $6-8 it would be a fairly good option even with the issues, but at least then it would fit the end result and actual cost.

Haha thanks for the kind works, honestly i was a little alarmed when i saw the thread. But i shant say too much about what i think about this deck, except the one way back is glaringly obvious. And there are quite a number of very similar courts especially in the queens.

[StanKindLee]

I like how the numbered cards were done & it fits the theme well. I can see the artwork producing a nice uncut.

[Jock1971]

mmmmm..These are from the guys that did the "Cats" deck a few months back, i pledged for that one and got the deck fairly quickly after , i like the idea of a Stained Glass deck.
The only trouble i have is that i know there will be a Stained Glass deck in the near future and the few cards i`ve seen from that deck clearly Knocks this deck out of the water.
I think i`ll wait.

[Sher]

I think the deck is decent and I like how colorful it is (but of course it should be, being a stained glass deck). If the deck was priced at $6-7 maybe I'd pledge for one, but at the price, it's not worth it to me, especially considering that it's probably an MPC deck. Also, I really like the direction Kai is taking with this theme, so I'll wait for that.

[sprouts1115]

This deck is not functional. Where are the suit indices? So, I guess you have to spread your cards out to know what the suit is. Check out the Queen suit badges. Some are small and some are normal. It needs to be more consistent. The back of the card should have been some kick ass stained glass art. Instead we have a "1-way" back with the suits. vasta41 mentioned the Black back border and white face border. I have to agree; It clashes. I'm sure it going to make it's goal, but I don't think this is a very good deck. volantangel I hope this gives you some inspiration to finish your deck...

[Bikefanatic]

Great idea but not executed right.

[Strag]

This deck is not functional. Where are the suit indices? So, I guess you have to spread your cards out to know what the suit is. Check out the Queen suit badges. Some are small and some are normal. It needs to be more consistent. The back of the card should have been some kick ass stained glass art. Instead we have a "1-way" back with the suits. vasta41 mentioned the Black back border and white face border. I have to agree; It clashes. I'm sure it going to make it's goal, but I don't think this is a very good deck. volantangel I hope this gives you some inspiration to finish your deck...

This. As is, the deck is not functional for actual use. Stained glass is a great theme, but I'll wait to see it done better.

[WillHart CthulhuWho1]

Having pledged for these, I just posted the following on Kickstarter, and thought I'd share it here:

My Dear Card Creating Friend!

Your Stained Glass Playing Cards will be the third deck I have happily purchased from you, so I hope you will seriously consider the following suggestion that I believe will vastly improve these cards, and also increase their sales.

Please add a black border to the face of the cards that matches the black border on the backs of the cards!

This will give all of the cards a classier and more unified stained glass look, and will make card tricks possible where certain cards need to be turned face-up in the deck without "flashing" a different color than the border of the card backs.

If you make this change, please announce that you have done so on the UnitedCardists.com and PlayingCardForum.com web sites, and you will receive high praise, and far more sales from the collectors that visit there each day.

Your Fan in Fullerton, California,
Will Hart

[rousselle]

Taking a quick glance at the courts, one thing that immediately popped out at me was that the Queen of Spades should be facing right, not left.

I'm sure there are many other violations of the current standard conventions, but that one just popped right out because the Queens all look the same as it is, and the Q of Spades typically faces opposite the others.

Anywhooooo....

[undefinedknowledge]

Hey just wanted to introduce myself. (I'm Andy, nice to meet you). I am one of the creators of the Stained Glass Deck KS project. Will Hart directed me to this post and I am glad to be able to read all the feedback. I must say reading all the comments has been very insightful! I would consider myself 95% designer, 5% card player. So there are reasons why this is learning process!

When we started out, we wanted to design strictly "new" card games, which we did (our first project Draw Blood) Both my partner and I work day jobs, and so, with life being life, we work hard to design and share at least ONE cool, new, concept game each year. While we are designing and working on those games, we have been putting out regular playing card decks with designs we come up with, that we hope others think are cool. As I said, it's has definitely been a learning process! These decks (Cats and Stained Glass) are simply other ideas we have with graphics and concepts that we love, but ideas that we might not be able to chase down and literally translate into a new game. But what these ‘deck’ projects offer us, is the opportunity to generate capital in order to fund our other prototype games. We don’t normally share information like this. But, to be part of a community, one must get to know and understand the other. We are excited to be new to Kickstarter. And to hopefully become part of a family.

Re: the artwork and design (flaws). I am glad to be in the loop with these concerns. Regarding the borders. We want to fix this immediately, and while I would like to turn all the fronts into a black border... I think with our time limitations on this project, it would be easier to turn the back to a white border? Any thoughts you guys have on this are welcome... Even though I like the black border better, having the consistent white border on both sides would fix the problem at least?

As for the Suit indices. We considered, but opted to not include them under the numbers completely from a design perspective in regards to making them "look" like stained glass. We never came up with a solution that we felt incorporated suit indices into the "stained glass" design in a good way. That being said, we will probably include these in all future decks.

Re: the queen of Spades. I thought I had cross-checked all the face card directions, but not sure how that one was overlooked. I will correct that in the final product.

Anyway, feel free to ask me any questions and thank you for linking to our project, and THANK YOU anyone that has backed the project!!! We have shipped all our cards within a month of the campaign's end and we put a lot of pride and energy in a fast turnaround. In addition, we both work hard to constantly evolve. And with this desire, become better and better. Thank you again for your feedback and introduction!

[Sher]

Welcome to the community, Andy! Thanks for taking our comments into consideration, and congrats on getting your project funded. I've added you to the deck artist group.

[sprouts1115]

@undefinedknowledge - Welcome to the UC. It's nice to have the deck creator drop by. We are pretty much honest here just grow some thick skin. Some of the criticism is harsh. Check out the other older threads and you can get a sense of what to do and what not to do in a deck of cards. Maybe in your next deck it will be functional and will get a greater response.

Noticed all your rank indices are the same color yellow. That is also a no,no. So now, you really have to look at the suit badge within the card to know what the card is. So if this QoH is sitting in the middle of the table in some games, I think it would be very difficult to know what the suit is especially when the queens look the same. I guess you have to memorize. Blue = Hearts, Green = Diamonds, Yellow = Clubs, Magenta = Spades.

[undefinedknowledge]

Hey everyone thank you for the warm welcomes. Yes, I see how a thick skin around here would be good! I am attaching a re-design, but we are debating if we really want to change things mid-campaign or not. We might just add a white border to the card back to match the white border on the front, and then apply the rest into the design considerations of future decks!

[Sher]

I'd recommend asking your backers to vote on it, maybe? I personally think the black background fits better with the theme than the white background, but it's always best to ask the backers' opinion because they're the ones who have a stake in the project.

[Galen Ihlenfeldt]

...I personally think the black background fits better with the theme than the white background, but it's always best to ask the backers' opinion because they're the ones who have a stake in the project.

this.
I agree to ask the backers first, but being stained glass, having the dark background supports the feeling of being in a dark room looking at an illuminated stained glass window. just my 2 cents.
cheers!

[DragonSoul]

I'm not sure that I understand. How is changing the back to white easier than changing the front to black??

I'm never impressed to hear a campaign creator say that they are unwilling to apply changes that are suggested by backers and folks in forums just because they are afraid of losing other backers. I understand that the fear might be justified if you were to change your design completely mid-campaign. But, the suggestions you've gotten so far are minor tweaks that will correct errors (such as inconsistent pip indices size/placement) or oversights (such as fixing the Queens so that they don't look almost identical) or to improve the viability of the deck for use (such as changing the indices to not be the same color and place the pips directly under them).

Now, changing the design on the back to make it 2-way...yeah I would put up a new design and ask your backers to vote.

I can't imagine that you would have very many backers say "How dare you move the pips to their proper places to improve functionality. I'm canceling my pledge." But, I can tell you that putting off suggestions for improvements leaves me with the (hopefully unintentional) impression that you really don't care what product your current backers get. I would prefer to see you make it the best it can be. The fact that you came here is wonderful. Please take all suggestions into careful consideration. Ultimately, it's your design to do with as you please but, attitude and willingness to do whatever is possible to create a quality product is what influences my decision in whether I support a creator.

[sprouts1115]

@undefinedknowledge - I have to agree with Galen Ihlenfeldt the black border on the faces looks a lot better. It goes with the theme. I would suggest making the back "2-way" Do you really need the suits on the back? It's too common to use the suits. Just make a kick ass stain glass back with your core colors. Blue, Green, Yellow, and Magenta. I don't really think you need to vote on it. Just do it and say It's new and improved. Just make sure any changes you make immediately put it on your Kickstarter.

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Let's talk about your KoD. Holy shit! It's functional. It's done. Thank-you for changing my perspective on indices. I can see what your trying to do. The index is part of your frame of the stain glass. I get it. The indices are just symbols. Do they need to have color? The answer is no. I think we all smart enough to know what the card is if we have them in our hands. Since you have the big ass suit badge with the color everything falls into place. Thanks again undefinedknowledge for changing my perspective. I would like to think everyday we learn something.

Let's talk about your queens. You need to somehow make the suit badge the same size as you kings. You have to remember we need consistency. All your queen suit badges are to small. I hope you understand.

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If we look at the traditional cards, you need to change these cards.

In the KoC, try to sneak an orb in there somewhere. Just look at a traditional KoC to see it.

In the QoS, she needs to be turned right and have a specter in her right hand.

Jacks are fine. You nailed it.

If you do all these things and have a "2-way" back, I think you will have a good deck.

[StanKindLee]

As a backer of this project my votes are: (1) black background on the faces, (2) suit pip as part of the cards indices (under the font as shown in your last pic posted), and (3) 2 way back to look like a typical stained glass design.

[undefinedknowledge]

Been meaning to post sooner. I definitely want to stick around the forums as this has been a great experience overall. Been checking out a lot of other decks as well! Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know that we did end up updating the design for this current campaign. Feel free to check it out, copy/pasting the official "Update" below. Thanks again for all the feedback everyone, and we have some other decks in the works that I might post some previews on here if anyone is interested... also can someone send me the link to voltangel's stained glass deck that people keep mentioning? I would love to check that out! Thanks - Andy


UPDATE ON KICKSTARTER READ AS FOLLOWS:
"It has been brought to our attention that there are some changes people would like to see in our design. And after much thought, we decided to see these changes through. Kickstarter is a great platform in that it creates an opportunity for the creators and backers to collaborate during the production process and we are happy to have you all as collaborators as this projects evolves and takes new shape.

That being said, we will be making two changes to the front of this deck. If you are unhappy with any of the changes, we deeply apologize. Please know we would hate to lose your interest. But once these specific limitations were identified, we felt compelled to change our design (we are designers, lol). So if you are saying, "What the...!?! It’s like this. The back of our cards are black, while the face of the cards are white. This difference limits the possibility of manipulating a card in this deck. This ability is applicable in many various worlds of cards. So our first change was to unify the front and back design by making both black. The second change is that we will be adding the suit symbol indices to the front of the cards underneath the numbers. We feel both these changes make this deck design more complete and practical, without sacrificing any elements of the artwork that inspired this deck.

In fact we think the all black borders actually augment the "stained glass" concept of the design even further.

We will be posting this change shortly, and also attaching the changes to the bottom of this update. Again, we apologize for any inconvenience or issues anyone might have with these changes. And also thank you to all of you who reached out to us and offered your opinions. We believe this deck is stronger because of it! Please feel free to contact us with any concerns, questions, etc. We are always listening!"

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[WillHart CthulhuWho1]

Absolutely Awesome Decks!

Wow!

Funded on August 5th., and in my hands on September 6th.! Nobody beats your delivery speed!

Now that's what I call service!

I can't wait to see your fourth project!

For anyone that missed these on Kickstarter, the have some for sale now on their web site for $13:
http://undefinedknowledge.bigcartel.com ... ying-cards

They look great, and feel great with their very slippery air-finish type surface; and will be a pleasure to use in games and tricks.

And Please, Erik and Andy, if you ever reprint the Stained Glass deck, as one small change, make the small Hearts and Diamonds pips under the indices Red in color to make their pips stand out from the Clubs and Spades... Just a small quibble that came to mind when I spread the actual cards in my hands. "Black" and "Red" suits, even if their colors are changed, need to be in different colors for easy scanning.

Will Hart
Fullerton, California