Vincent's Playing Cards (KS)

[badpete69]

[Godzillian]

The deck is supposed to teach people Van Gogh's works, but the cards don't actually say what each painting is called... amazing. You'd have to refer to the Kickstarter every single time.

Like, it's not the worst KS deck, but it's still pretty bad. The paint skills are weak in this one. There was no effort put into this. The "creator" just copy pasta resized the painting onto a prerendered background. You could do one card in literally 10 seconds, provided the indices are already there.

10 seconds * 104 cards = 1040 seconds / 60 = ~17 minutes. And that's being generous.

I appreciate the education aspect, but what's the education aspect here!? It's just oohing and aahing, but never really knowing wtf it is without the name of the painting...

[wahl0108]

Is it even legal to do this without the permission of the family or whatever?

[ryzellon]

The deck is supposed to teach people Van Gogh's works, but the cards don't actually say what each painting is called... amazing. You'd have to refer to the Kickstarter every single time.

Like, it's not the worst KS deck, but it's still pretty bad. The paint skills are weak in this one. There was no effort put into this. The "creator" just copy pasta resized the painting onto a prerendered background. You could do one card in literally 10 seconds, provided the indices are already there.

10 seconds * 104 cards = 1040 seconds / 60 = ~17 minutes. And that's being generous.

I appreciate the education aspect, but what's the education aspect here!? It's just oohing and aahing, but never really knowing wtf it is without the name of the painting...

Their e-Book probably fills that niche. I'd normally agree that there should be more text and explanations added, but given the quality of English in the KS page, videos, and webpage, perhaps it's best they stick to pictures. The occasional typo or homonym mix-up I can overlook, but some of the text is just incomprehensible. I'm quite concerned about the quality of this campaign if this is how they're presenting themselves to backers. God knows what the e-Book is going to look like.

The $5 pledge tier and the graphic for the pledge tiers are contradictory. One says the e-Book is included, the other does not.

Is it even legal to do this without the permission of the family or whatever?

His stuff is in the public domain.

[rjtomlinson1977]

The fonts used on the tuck are too plain and out of place for my taste. I do wish I knew how to do a 3d rendering of the tucks like that. I think my problem is my computer doesn't have enough ram to power that part of adobe.

[Mike Ratledge]

Is it even legal to do this without the permission of the family or whatever?

Even works supposedly in the "Public Domain" aren't exempt from licensing as far as I know, otherwise anyone could sell the Mona Lisa for profit and never pay anyone. That's an extreme example, and I am not up on the current IP (Intellectual Property) rights legal stuff.

Maybe sinjin7 can comment? It's likely not legal, and I suspect that it will be challenged, though as I always say: "I have been known to be wrong before"...

[vasta41]

I'm adding this deck to my growing list of decks that I don't think translate well into playing cards.

[rousselle]

Is it even legal to do this without the permission of the family or whatever?

Even works supposedly in the "Public Domain" aren't exempt from licensing as far as I know, otherwise anyone could sell the Mona Lisa for profit and never pay anyone. That's an extreme example, and I am not up on the current IP (Intellectual Property) rights legal stuff.

Maybe sinjin7 can comment? It's likely not legal, and I suspect that it will be challenged, though as I always say: "I have been known to be wrong before"...

While I will defer to the lawyers in our midst, I have some familiarity with IP law (as someone who owns some IP and wants to be able to protect it), and my understanding is that, in fact, yes, public domain means that anybody can do with it what they will. Trademarks, of course, can interfere with expired copyright, but in general, once a work is in the public domain, anybody can copy it and distribute it pretty much as they see fit.*

So yes, you can grab a copy of the Mona Lisa and print it up to your hearts content, and never have to pay anyone a licensing fee. Unless, of course, you didn't photograph it yourself, in which case, you may owe the photographer a licensing fee. But, you get the point.



* Some exceptions apply, see lawyer for details. I am not a lawyer and do not play one on tv. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited, taxed, or wrong. Close cover before striking. Burma Shave.

[ryzellon]

While I will defer to the lawyers in our midst, I have some familiarity with IP law (as someone who owns some IP and wants to be able to protect it), and my understanding is that, in fact, yes, public domain means that anybody can do with it what they will. Trademarks, of course, can interfere with expired copyright, but in general, once a work is in the public domain, anybody can copy it and distribute it pretty much as they see fit.*

So yes, you can grab a copy of the Mona Lisa and print it up to your hearts content, and never have to pay anyone a licensing fee. Unless, of course, you didn't photograph it yourself, in which case, you may owe the photographer a licensing fee. But, you get the point.

A lot of it comes down to the interchangeability. If ten people each went and took/made a high quality photograph/scan of Starry Night, the end results would look pretty much identical. The photographer/scanner can't really claim that the photo/scan is protectable intellectual property. If, however, the photo were "artistic" (filters, composition w/ an interesting backdrop, or whatever), that new creative element could make the photo--as a whole--protectable intellectual property. Since these cards are using the paintings in unaltered form, there's not really anyone who can claim an IP violation and prove it to any extent.

There might be a bit of an argument where obtaining the photo required a lot of work. If the original were in some remote monastery at the top of a mountain protected by lions, tigers, and bears... well, that first guy to get a good photo will probably be real pissed if someone else uses his hard-won photo without permission or licensing. I'm not entirely sure what the claim would be, though.

[Lotrek]

Given the quality of the campaign's setup, the amount raised is insane!

And you need about 5 mins just to scroll down the add-on section...

[th4mo]

Given the quality of the campaign's setup, the amount raised is insane!

2 backers @ the $1000 level, and 1 @ the $500 level account for more than a third of the money pledged...
Maybe you should add some higher pledge levels to your campaigns, Lotrek!

Has anyone been able to figure out why there is a photo of a hot blonde on the cover shot for the video???
Maybe the pledgers think she is included in one of the rewards...

[Stockholm17]

"This is a deck inspired on the prodigy and controversial Dutch painter who lived toward the end of the 19 century, Vincent Van Gogh. "


actually it is not inspired, it´s just a catalog of his works.
and by the way, why there is a blond girl in that picture?

this is something that should be sold by the van gogh museum

[sinjin7]

Even works supposedly in the "Public Domain" aren't exempt from licensing as far as I know, otherwise anyone could sell the Mona Lisa for profit and never pay anyone. That's an extreme example, and I am not up on the current IP (Intellectual Property) rights legal stuff.

Maybe sinjin7 can comment? It's likely not legal, and I suspect that it will be challenged, though as I always say: "I have been known to be wrong before"...

Rousselle is correct, once something becomes public domain, then it is free for all to use. By definition then, it is exempt from licensing. The Mona Lisa and all of Van Gogh's work are considered public domain in the United States, so anyone can use and sell these images of the original works for profit and never have to pay anyone for their use.

As long as the Vincent deck uses reproductions of the original works of Van Gogh, there will be no legal impediments for this deck.

[sprouts1115]

So by adding random blondes I am suppose to be inspired to buy these cards. Does sex sell?

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[volantangel]

So by adding random blondes I am suppose to be inspired to buy these cards. Does sex sell?

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Isnt the last one a redhead