Sherlock Holmes Decks by Jackson Robinson; Shipping complete

[Firthetic]

Jackson, with all that said, will the Sherlock Holmes decks be printed by USPCC?

[hikeeba]

Thanks for the clarification. Although, I still think you should slip in the syringe somewhere.....

(And bees - lots of bees - I mean, they're in the same number of stories as Moriarty, right?)

[vmagic]

So Jackson are these going to be USPC or what? I'm sure your new employer would not really like it if you printed your decks somewhere else. Also are the limited edition decks going to be just different boxes or what?

[MagikFingerz]

The main thing about thin borders is that it makes fans look better. Very few non-USPCC decks fan AT ALL, so those two go hand in hand. One of the main things I focus my collection on is decks that are good for flourishing (both aesthetically and functionally). Us cardists might not make up the biggest part of playing card collectors, but it brings a whole new dimension to the cards you collect when you can literally manipulate the art to display it in so many ways. This is why USPCC is important, but I would love it if other printers could manage to produce cards that fan as smooth as USPCC cards. I have found a few that has surprised me, though none have yet bested the big boys in that aspect.

[JacksonRobinson]

First things first. USPC is by far my printer of choice the card quality and fish are miles infront of anyone else. On the flip side USPC is far from my new employer. I didn't quit my day job to just go work for someone else. I may be designing bike decks in the future, but my decks are my decks and I can print those at kinkos if I wanted to. sherlock will be printed at USPC.

[Eoghann]

I want a Kinko's deck now.

[JacksonRobinson]

Thanks for the clarification. Although, I still think you should slip in the syringe somewhere.....

(And bees - lots of bees - I mean, they're in the same number of stories as Moriarty, right?)

There is an open spot for a syringe at the top right of the back of the Baker Street edition consider it done.

[chach]

I want a Kinko's deck now.

Weren't these going to be printed by their friend's Kinko's Specialist? You're all set buddy.

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Looking forward to these Holmes decks, unfortunately my bank account isn't. Can I just put my card on file with you Jackson, cut out the middle man and you just charge me directly for everything you put out?

[sinjin7]

the most important factor to me is the highest quality product and a printer not giving me limitation on what I can and can't do. If a printer in Antarctica can give me the quality and facilitate the ideas I have then the people in Antarctica will gladly earn my business and also need employment. I've worked in the packaging industry far to long to not realize that the technology to do crazy stuff like perfect registration and ridiculously thin borders is out there. It is just companies like USPC have no need to push the envelope or innovate because there are so many USPC zombies. With that said USPC absolutely makes the highest quality card stocks and finishes but as long as we as collectors don't embrace change for the better we will be forced to settle for mediocrity in the quality of product we spend our money on. This is an ever heated topic but it is a topic that everyone should be aware of because it shapes future landscape of card design and collecting.

This statement perfectly illustrates the dichotomy that exists between artists/designers and cardists. Your priority as a designer is to get your design printed exactly the way you want, and you define quality in terms of a company's ability to replicate your art within the limited dimensions of a playing card. However, cardists define quality in terms of finish/stock and how the deck reacts to being manipulated in our hands. These are two separate priorities.

Sure, you can find other manufacturers that can have superior registration and printing preciseness than the USPCC, and that would satisfy you and collectors. Many people (Zenneth Kok, CARC, etc..) claimed to have found equal printers, if not better, than the USPCC, in India, Italy, Taiwan, Belgium, and China. Some of these decks include Global Titans, Archdukes, Pr1me, and Legends. While these decks are nice, with high quality card stock, they don't even come close in terms of finish. They don't fan, shuffle, spread, or faro as well as even the common Rider Back.

I'm not a USPCC zombie, but I do know what my hands tell me. If your target demographic is just the card collector who likes beautiful, well designed cards and keeps decks sealed in cellophane for display only, then you don't care about the performance of the cards, just the looks. If you can find a manufacturer that prints precisely, AND has a finish equal or superior to the USPCC, then I'm confident that cardists, flourishers, xcm'ers, magicians, and card mechanics will flock to that deck and support it as fervently as any deck the USPCC has ever produced. However, I have yet to see that deck. There is a specific and real reason why this subset of card enthusiasts have such a strong preference for decks made with the USPCC's finish.

[JacksonRobinson]

@ sinjin7

Everything that you said about USPC is absolutely true. Thing only thing that I would hope that you see is that I have cardists in mind. Most of my frustrations and comments in previous post were about registration, finish, and border size. These are factors that are crucial for both me as a designer and also you as a cardists. Think about how happy magicfingerz would be if I could replicate the border size of vintage cards printed by USPC in the early 1900s and late 1800s. At that time there were no borders because they printed all the way to the edge. I want to appeal to all crowds and I truly believe it is possible to do that. Your absolutely right about USPC being light years ahead of anyone else when it comes to finish and stock but my biggest rub it that USPC is light-years behind what they were a hundred years ago. The quality of their work has suffered because they have tooled their machines and business model to print hundreds and millions of decks. I want more than anything to print and keep printing my cards with USPC I just want to help educate people of how awesome USPC has been in the past in hopes to encourage them to innovate progress. Sorry this thread has become about USPC. LOL did you know I was doing a deck of cards that is inspired by Sherlock Holmes.

Baker Street Edition Cards (including new cocaine syringe in back design)

Click the link below for a higher res version
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[MagikFingerz]

You're absolutely right, Jackson Though just reading your views on things makes me happy already, and you're spot on about USPCC being better before. Just look at Virginia Slims, they are some of the best handling cards the USPCC ever made (that I have handled anyway). Even in more recent times, their quality went down by quite a bit when they moved their factory, and they still haven't caught up yet (IMO).

[Jason_Taylor]

Thanks for the clarification. Although, I still think you should slip in the syringe somewhere.....

(And bees - lots of bees - I mean, they're in the same number of stories as Moriarty, right?)

There is an open spot for a syringe at the top right of the back of the Baker Street edition consider it done.

This seems a little taboo don't you think. I have not read much of the Holmes stuff but is this a big topic in the stories?

[hikeeba]

Excellent! Seven-percent solution, I trust!
Now, only how to get them remains....the game is afoot!

[montecarlojoe]

Is the QOH Irene Adler?

If so shouldn't the caption be "The Woman", as in THE woman, the only woman who Holmes considered, well , at all?

(they look quite lovely though!)

[Casual Pixels]

Is the QOH Irene Adler?

If so shouldn't the caption be "The Woman", as in THE woman, the only woman who Holmes considered, well , at all?

(they look quite lovely though!)

Well, I'm pretty sure it DEFINITELY shouldn't be "The Women" (plural) as it is now...

[Verloren]

Thanks for the clarification. Although, I still think you should slip in the syringe somewhere.....

(And bees - lots of bees - I mean, they're in the same number of stories as Moriarty, right?)

There is an open spot for a syringe at the top right of the back of the Baker Street edition consider it done.

This seems a little taboo don't you think. I have not read much of the Holmes stuff but is this a big topic in the stories?

Conan Doyle's Holmes would inject cocaine. 7% solution as mentioned by hikeeba.

Occasional morphine use, but didn't like opium dens. I think one of the stories started off with Holmes in an opium den following someone.

[sinjin7]

@ sinjin7

... only thing that I would hope that you see is that I have cardists in mind.... I want to appeal to all crowds and I truly believe it is possible to do that...my biggest rub it that USPC is light-years behind what they were a hundred years ago. The quality of their work has suffered because they have tooled their machines and business model to print hundreds and millions of decks. I want more than anything to print and keep printing my cards with USPC I just want to help educate people of how awesome USPC has been in the past in hopes to encourage them to innovate progress.

I appreciate that you are keeping cardists in mind and want to appeal to all crowds. You certainly accomplished that with your Fed 52 series. I agree with you that the USPCC have sacrificed some quality in favor of an economic model for mass production. Like Magikfingerz pointed out, their quality took a hit in the move from Ohio to Kentucky, especially in terms of the selection of stock. The primary point I was trying to make was that despite the fact that the USPCC took a hit in quality, their finish (which is critical for cardists) is still far better than anything else out there and I think we both agree on this point.

I sometimes suspect that when others hype up the "quality" of other overseas manufacturers, what they are really trying to do is mask the fact that they are just cutting costs to increase their profit margin. I'm so impressed with your work (I really hope you follow through with your King's Wild Signature Series after you finish up with the Holmes decks) that I felt some concern when you were talking about other overseas manufacturers, but I'm happy to see you still plan to use the USPCC. With the massive good will you built up with the Fed 52 series, and the upward career trajectory you're sustaining as a card designer, you probably are in a position to be influential with the USPCC and I wish you the best in encouraging the USPCC to innovate progress.

As for the Sherlock Holmes decks, I think you will have another hit on your hands and this will be a worthy follow-up to your exceptional Fed 52 decks. I hope that the licensing deal you struck with the Doyle estate will give you even further exposure to the broader market of the mass public. I, for one, don't mind that you're releasing multiple versions of the same deck at the same time. With the exception of the few die-hard fanboys, most of us have become disgusted with the way T11, E, and D$D have been trickling out variations and color changes over and over again of the same deck, so its refreshing to have someone just put it all out there at the same time right at the beginning. My only hope is that if you put out a limited edition deck, you would have some additional uniqueness intrinsic to the deck to separate it from the regular version other than just a different tuck box, especially if you're going to charge extra for the limited edition. Keep up the good work!

[JacksonRobinson]

@ sinjin7

... only thing that I would hope that you see is that I have cardists in mind.... I want to appeal to all crowds and I truly believe it is possible to do that...my biggest rub it that USPC is light-years behind what they were a hundred years ago. The quality of their work has suffered because they have tooled their machines and business model to print hundreds and millions of decks. I want more than anything to print and keep printing my cards with USPC I just want to help educate people of how awesome USPC has been in the past in hopes to encourage them to innovate progress.

I appreciate that you are keeping cardists in mind and want to appeal to all crowds. You certainly accomplished that with your Fed 52 series. I agree with you that the USPCC have sacrificed some quality in favor of an economic model for mass production. Like Magikfingerz pointed out, their quality took a hit in the move from Ohio to Kentucky, especially in terms of the selection of stock. The primary point I was trying to make was that despite the fact that the USPCC took a hit in quality, their finish (which is critical for cardists) is still far better than anything else out there and I think we both agree on this point.

I sometimes suspect that when others hype up the "quality" of other overseas manufacturers, what they are really trying to do is mask the fact that they are just cutting costs to increase their profit margin. I'm so impressed with your work (I really hope you follow through with your King's Wild Signature Series after you finish up with the Holmes decks) that I felt some concern when you were talking about other overseas manufacturers, but I'm happy to see you still plan to use the USPCC. With the massive good will you built up with the Fed 52 series, and the upward career trajectory you're sustaining as a card designer, you probably are in a position to be influential with the USPCC and I wish you the best in encouraging the USPCC to innovate progress.

As for the Sherlock Holmes decks, I think you will have another hit on your hands and this will be a worthy follow-up to your exceptional Fed 52 decks. I hope that the licensing deal you struck with the Doyle estate will give you even further exposure to the broader market of the mass public. I, for one, don't mind that you're releasing multiple versions of the same deck at the same time. With the exception of the few die-hard fanboys, most of us have become disgusted with the way T11, E, and D$D have been trickling out variations and color changes over and over again of the same deck, so its refreshing to have someone just put it all out there at the same time right at the beginning. My only hope is that if you put out a limited edition deck, you would have some additional uniqueness intrinsic to the deck to separate it from the regular version other than just a different tuck box, especially if you're going to charge extra for the limited edition. Keep up the good work!

Thank you for your kinds words. I will def be doing the Kings Wild Deck for sure next year some time. I have one or two concepts I'm working on that I think will be killer, that I hope to release in spring of next year. I would really like to get off of kickstarter and do a preorder model directly on my website. That will depend on the fan-base I can build over the next few projects. I've even thought about doing the Kings Wild deck as the first Kingswildproject.com first exclusive thing. Lots of factors though.

Here are a few more details of the Holmes' Decks. Right now the Limited Edition decks is just a different tuck box. I have priced it much lower than the LE Black deck from the Fed52, (but that one ended up having a unique back and jokers) However I have some really cool things planned as stretch goals. So many people have responded well to the Holmes and Moriarty backs AND the Baker Street Court cards that I'm thinking about offering a Special Edition deck (no limited edition) that is a black color schemed version of the Brown and Blue Holmes and Moriarty backs but with the Baker Street Court Cards.

[JacksonRobinson]

Oh ya! LOL i changed it to "THE WOMAN" I need to get more sleep.

[badpete69]

So when does this go live ?

[Eoghann]

So when does this go live ?

12 PM Central this Saturday. Fresh off a KS update like a minute ago.

[CBJ]

"Sherlock Holmes Playing Card Kickstarter goes Live Saturday at 12pm

My new Sherlock Holmes Project will be going live this Saturday at 12pm Central Standard Time. Be sure and be there at 12 as the limited edition decks will go fast."

[Verloren]

"Sherlock Holmes Playing Card Kickstarter goes Live Saturday at 12pm

My new Sherlock Holmes Project will be going live this Saturday at 12pm Central Standard Time. Be sure and be there at 12 as the limited edition decks will go fast."

=(

Only one round of releases for the LE, or will it be staggered?

[billysac]

I won't be near a computer until later in the afternoon Saturday so I'm hoping there are a few release windows on the limiteds

[MagikFingerz]

Just to make sure, 12 PM is midday and it's CST (not CDT)?

[DukeBoy]

Just to make sure, 12 PM is midday and it's CST (not CDT)?

Correct noon Texas Time, well most of Texas Darn that El Paso.

[MagikFingerz]

Just to make sure, 12 PM is midday and it's CST (not CDT)?

Correct noon Texas Time, well most of Texas Darn that El Paso.

Thanks. That's what I naturally assumed, but then my paranoia kicked in and told me it might be otherwise

[sprouts1115]

"Here are the release time for the LE Decks for the Holmes project:

Saturday, Nov 2nd 12PM Central Standard Time

Sunday, Nov 3rd (Saturday night) 12AM Central Standard Time

Sunday, Nov 3rd (Sunday Morning) 6AM Central Standard Time"



World Clock: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Sherlock Holmes Teaser: http://vimeo.com/78300200

Wish he would show us his Kickstarer Preview. That is what we are here for. It's good to have lots of eyes checking for errors. Can't wait to get some more "God" decks

[MagikFingerz]

Wish he would show us his Kickstarer Preview. That is what we are here for. It's good to have lots of eyes checking for errors.

Not to mention that we would know exactly where to click when we go to pledge

[th4mo]

Not to mention that we would know exactly where to click when we go to pledge

My thoughts exactly...