Brown Rounders?

vmagic · Unread post by **vmagic** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:24 pm

Seems to be rumours going around of Brown Rounders and Daniel posted a tweet saying he will have new Rounders news next week, can anyone confirm it?

volantangel · Unread post by **volantangel** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:39 am

Can't be bothered with these if it's true, a third colour on a deck with barely and back design, no. Just no.

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:04 am

vmagic wrote:Seems to be rumours going around of Brown Rounders and Daniel posted a tweet saying he will have new Rounders news next week, can anyone confirm it?

It was like a question if people would like to have new - color. Nothing about brown! By poll results blue has won.

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:09 pm

...and we got both - blue and brown

From letter sent to Black Club Members:

"To celebrate the Release the Ellusionist Editions of Anthology and How to Cheat at Cards (see below), Daniel Madison is proud to release an unlimited, Special Edition version of Rounders, printed in the same Brown Pantone as those used by Wynn Casino. Purchase either Anthology or How to Cheat at Cards and receive a FREE Brown Rounders Deck on us.

However, if you purchase BOTH Anthology AND How to Cheat at Cards together, we'll give you a FREE LIMITED EDITION BLUE Rounders Deck. Only 2500 Blue Rounders have been printed, and they're only available with purchase of both books, or with every 12 Brown Rounders purchased. "

hikeeba · Unread post by **hikeeba** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:45 pm

Anthology: $95
How to Cheat at Cards: $55 (and isn't this the guy who's claim to fame is almost being killed cheating? Shouldn't it be "How NOT to Cheat at Cards"?)
Brick of Wynn Brown Rounders, delivered (w/BC disc): $80.78....

Yeah, Milton, I'm gonna have to go ahead and pass on this....

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:54 pm

hikeeba wrote: Brick of Wynn Brown Rounders, delivered (w/BC disc): $80.78....

It hurts me more...
Brick with shipping to Europe (First Class Mail) is $99,67
Plus customs fees and VAT - around 25% of that price!

Unread post by **PlayingCardz** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:23 am

We will carry those decks, wait like a week or so if you want to save the VAT as our store is located in Europe

Have a nice day!

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:44 am

Shameless promotion

Unread post by **badpete69** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:01 am

I will probably buy the brick and sell decks very cheap just like I did with the Madison Dealers...Let me know if you want Brownies cheap

Strag · Unread post by **Strag** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:15 am

Shameless money grab on the shipping. Done with Ellusionist. $45 (cheapest) to ship 17 decks? And that's not even Priority.

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:43 am

badpete69 wrote:I will probably buy the brick and sell decks very cheap just like I did with the Madison Dealers...Let me know if you want Brownies cheap

You won't be alone with that plan

Strag wrote:Shameless money grab on the shipping. Done with Ellusionist. $45 (cheapest) to ship 17 decks? And that's not even Priority.

I've already once, not so long time ago, compared shipping prices of all main companies and they are almost the same... you can find my post...you can also check prices at USPS...
Don't blame Ellusionist for using market prices.

Unread post by **CBJ** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:52 am

they made 2500 blue decks.

I'll just wait for another sale or marketing gimmick to get one.. like black friday, or an xmas sale

Strag · Unread post by **Strag** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:08 am

BLACKWHITE wrote:
Strag wrote:Shameless money grab on the shipping. Done with Ellusionist. $45 (cheapest) to ship 17 decks? And that's not even Priority.
I've already once, not so long time ago, compared shipping prices of all main companies and they are almost the same... you can find my post...you can also check prices at USPS...
Don't blame Ellusionist for using market prices.

I do blame them when Mike can ship me the exact same amount of decks for 40% less.

Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:29 am

BLACKWHITE wrote:
Strag wrote:Shameless money grab on the shipping. Done with Ellusionist. $45 (cheapest) to ship 17 decks? And that's not even Priority.
I've already once, not so long time ago, compared shipping prices of all main companies and they are almost the same... you can find my post...you can also check prices at USPS...
Don't blame Ellusionist for using market prices.

You could certainly call them "market prices" just because all the big companies use the same shipping calculator, but it isn't actual shipping prices. Of course, nobody can force them not to add whatever they want as the "handling" part of S&H, but it's no more than a money grab. Mike (BMPoker) has posted factual data on this countless times.

JokerzGamez · Unread post by **JokerzGamez** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:41 pm

Brown Rounders? ARE YOU @*%$£&%$ SERIOUS??

I mean Blue Dealers would be cool, but Blue Rounders? The Age of Rounders must end!!!

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:44 pm

I agree with you that Mike (BMP) offers lower (very good) shipping cost- that plus wide range of decks is purpose of his business.

But whole discussion is pointless - first check what you can buy there - what you can't...

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:46 pm

JokerzGamez wrote:Brown Rounders? ARE YOU @*%$£&%$ SERIOUS??

I mean Blue Dealers would be cool, but Blue Rounders? The Age of Rounders must end!!!

Blue Rounders look great!

I am pretty sure that Blue Dealers are only a matter of time

Unread post by **MagikFingerz** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:22 pm

BLACKWHITE wrote:I agree with you that Mike (BMP) offers lower (very good) shipping cost- that plus wide range of decks is purpose of his business.

But whole discussion is pointless - first check what you can buy there - what you can't...

So just because they are the only ones that sell that particular deck, it's ok for them to gouge the shipping prices on something that is of the exact same size and weight as what others ship for much lower WITHOUT losing money? Nobody is saying that profiting off of dialed-up shipping prices is illegal, but it IS morally wrong. What Mike does isn't just "very good"; it's the right thing to do. He charges what USPS charges him + costs of shipping material + whatever it is he charges for his handling time (probably ~$0.50). A big company like E probably has a more sophisticated and automated handling system, so they have no excuse for charging more.

Sorry for going off topic, but this is a sore issue for us internationals

cosmicsecret · Unread post by **cosmicsecret** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:40 pm

MagikFingerz wrote:
BLACKWHITE wrote:I agree with you that Mike (BMP) offers lower (very good) shipping cost- that plus wide range of decks is purpose of his business.

But whole discussion is pointless - first check what you can buy there - what you can't...
So just because they are the only ones that sell that particular deck, it's ok for them to gouge the shipping prices on something that is of the exact same size and weight as what others ship for much lower WITHOUT losing money? Nobody is saying that profiting off of dialed-up shipping prices is illegal, but it IS morally wrong. What Mike does isn't just "very good"; it's the right thing to do. He charges what USPS charges him + costs of shipping material + whatever it is he charges for his handling time (probably ~$0.50). A big company like E probably has a more sophisticated and automated handling system, so they have no excuse for charging more.

Sorry for going off topic, but this is a sore issue for us internationals

in addition : most times my custom fees do apply because of the extra $5-8 they overcharge you on bigger orders.
it´s not that they could write a lower value on the parcel....nope always full value declared. voila! say hello to a extra 19% of customs fees on top what i already paid.
/rant end

BLACKWHITE · Unread post by **BLACKWHITE** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:28 pm

MagikFingerz wrote: Nobody is saying that profiting off of dialed-up shipping prices is illegal, but it IS morally wrong.

Don't want to be "Ellusionist's full-time lawyer" so let's skip parts about telling things like "package-box" with "insurance"...
There are so many things about anyone can complain nowadays - like prices of gas, taxes, unemployment... and now shipping costs...

Once again all companies are to make money-profit... but big companies got more clients and more complains...
So belive me it's the same on forums about Microsoft, Apple or... Statoil and BP

cosmicsecret wrote: most times my custom fees do apply because of the extra $5-8 they overcharge you on bigger orders.

If they put bigger value on customs declaration that should - just contact support - I am sure they will find way to compansate that mistake

cosmicsecret wrote: it´s not that they could write a lower value on the parcel....nope always full value declared. voila!

About "full value" - that's company policy... belive me I've tried to change it and spoken with many people from Ellusionist... we have to just accept it.

cosmicsecret wrote: say hello to a extra 19% of customs fees on top what i already paid.

I pay VAT 23% plus customs fees (value with shipping cost!) so consider yourself lucky !!

Let's go back to main topic - I like Blue Rounders but Brown not so much...

Unread post by **badpete69** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:27 pm

Was checking what they charge for shipping 1 deck and it is $10 so basically $17 for 1 deck ouch... Ok I have some for sale starting now $6 per deck +$4 shipping/handling in the US. I will go by who emails me first

Thanks

Unread post by **badpete69** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:05 pm

7 decks left for those interested in cheap Brown Rounders

Ben Taylor · Unread post by **Ben Taylor** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:43 pm

I live pretty close, so they only charge me $3 to ship a deck and $9 for a brick. But it also means I have to pay CA sales tax.

Unread post by **badpete69** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:54 pm

Ben Sales Tax always suck hehe I am now down to 5 decks left at $6 a pop

Only 2 decks left as of this morning 10/25

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