The House of the Rising Spade

[A. Haines]

So the year is MMXXIIII? Nice try.

someone asked about that on patreon

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before as I haven't been keeping a close eye on Patreon, but what is the reason for using IIII instead of IV in the roman numerals?

Stockholm17
CREATOR

arbitraty. In Tarot they use additive system IIII instead of subtractive IV

Fun bit of trivia… many traditional watches use IIII instead of IV for the number 4. Very few people where traditional watches anymore but this used to be something you could point out that nobody knew even though they looked at their watches everyday.

Selective viewing or intentional blindness. If you are not looking for it or alternatively looking for something else, then it can easily be overlooked. Same phenomena as not being able to find something right in front of your face. Many husbands experience this when looking for something in the fridge and ask their wife where it is.

I can confirm this is uncannily accurate (as can my wife)

[Timmargh]

I always thought that it was something to do with counting up to four rather than just saying the number four. Or maybe I am just imagining I heard that.

[brownsl]

Received my decks today. I opened one of them and they look great!

[ewan1985]

Still deciding whether to grab a v3 or not. How's WJPC printing quality in v3 vs Cartamundi's v1/v2? Possible to compare side by side?

[brownsl]

In the deck I opened, I notice there is an issue with the gilding. It looks like the side flaps of the tuck marred the gilding which is disappointing. Curious if anyone else that opens a deck sees the same thing.

[Evilgamer]

In the deck I opened, I notice there is an issue with the gilding. It looks like the side flaps of the tuck marred the gilding which is disappointing. Curious if anyone else that opens a deck sees the same thing.

No damage here you may have gotten a bad one.

Still deciding whether to grab a v3 or not. How's WJPC printing quality in v3 vs Cartamundi's v1/v2? Possible to compare side by side?

I don’t have v1 opened. But here is v2 and v3. Very close. The c3 feels a little less bendy but that may be the gilding.

[Honeybee]

brownsl is referring to the shadow/imprint that the tuck flaps have left on the gilding

[Evilgamer]

brownsl is referring to the shadow/imprint that the tuck flaps have left on the gilding

I know what hes asking about, but the post above his asked for comparisons with V2, I just combined the two.

[ewan1985]

Thanks so much for the comparison between v2 and v3. For my eyes, Cartamundi's printing seems a bit sharper, especially with the black and red ink. V3 does offer foiling on the geometry lines and gilding which makes it tempting to pick up still.

[kevork]

The key on the bottom of the ace of hearts is a great example of what distinguishes great cold foiling from Cartamundi and many others. So much detail lost.

[shunterino]

The key on the bottom of the ace of hearts is a great example of what distinguishes great cold foiling from Cartamundi and many others. So much detail lost.

I notice the keys on the AoS still show the original key so now it doesn't match. Seem like a lazy error although I'm sure it was deliberate because that's how they do it on tarot cards or something. Fortunately I am not a completionist and I don't like gilding so an easy pass. Still love my V1s but haven't really been drawn to any of his recent decks. The Odd Fellows are all getting a bit similar (and Madam Laveau had that typo) and the Eye 2 was gilded only. Saves me a lot of money though, guess I'll just wait until he produces something I like, which I suppose is how it's supposed to be.

[Adamthinks]

The key on the bottom of the ace of hearts is a great example of what distinguishes great cold foiling from Cartamundi and many others. So much detail lost.

That has to be intentional design wise because I've seen examples of WJPC doing FAR more intricate foiling than that. Like on Goldsmith for example they did extremely intricate foil work.

[Evilgamer]

The key on the bottom of the ace of hearts is a great example of what distinguishes great cold foiling from Cartamundi and many others. So much detail lost.

That has to be intentional design wise because I've seen examples of WJPC doing FAR more intricate foiling than that. Like on Goldsmith for example they did extremely intricate foil work.

Well, remember it's not foiling here, the base card stock is gold those are essentially cutouts/places where there was no printing. But so was the cartamundi card.

I pulled the deck back out and looked yes it really does have less detail than the cartamindi card did. (whereas the king it just suffering from the light angle on the K in the lower left its actually very clear on the card).

[kevork]

I was going to say I disagree with you Adam since I doubt he would've changed the intricate design to the lesser detailed one, but I decided to show Lorenzo directly and ask him about it.

He mentioned it looks like the foil is less defined with WJPC and it was something he had not noticed until I showed him the comparison.

[Honeybee]

Well, remember it's not foiling here, the base cart stock is gold those are essentially cutouts/places where there was no printing. But so was the cartamundi card.

I pulled the deck back out and looked yes it really does have less detail than the cartamindi card did. (whereas the king it just suffering from the light angle on the K in the lower left its actually very clear on the card).

LOL I have woken up (thank God says Evil) and I am really appreciating your comparison now Evil
But being Honeybee (always bumbling) wanted to clarify that you are saying the foiled K at the bottom of V3 (on the right) is actually much better than it appears in your pic

[Evilgamer]

Well, remember it's not foiling here, the base cart stock is gold those are essentially cutouts/places where there was no printing. But so was the cartamundi card.

I pulled the deck back out and looked yes it really does have less detail than the cartamindi card did. (whereas the king it just suffering from the light angle on the K in the lower left its actually very clear on the card).

LOL I have woken up (thank God says Evil) and I am really appreciating your comparison now Evil
But being Honeybee (always bumbling) wanted to clarify that you are saying the foiled K at the bottom of V3 (on the right) is actually much better than it appears in your pic

The k in the lower left of the card on the right yes

I swear I hate posting from phone......in no view. is this card sideways on my phone, click on it, it's. only screwy in the preview.

[Honeybee]

I always find the same thing with phone pics. Saving them through Paint (even if I don't edit them) corrects the problem without even rotating

[Adamthinks]

I was going to say I disagree with you Adam since I doubt he would've changed the intricate design to the lesser detailed one, but I decided to show Lorenzo directly and ask him about it.

He mentioned it looks like the foil is less defined with WJPC and it was something he had not noticed until I showed him the comparison.

The keys on the top of the AoS shows full detailing, so this must just be something missed during proofing.

[kevork]

The keys on the top of the AoS shows full detailing, so this must just be something missed during proofing.

But the keys on top of the AoS are ink whereas the key under the AoH is foil. They're two different circumstances and no design changes were made on the key per Lorenzo.

Certain things like the foiled lines are likely much easier to not have quality control issues with than that intricate key. Maybe Harv can offer some insight too.

[Honeybee]

Good point Adam. I am still confused however, following on from Evil's point, as to whether it is foiling on the Library key or card stock showing through, in which case the white ink is the printing to give the key details

[Evilgamer]

I still maintain that it's the card stock. but Im not about to scratch to remove. ink to prove that one way or the other the keys consistently have the same issue

I dont have the cartomancer V1 deck open, but I do have the faro deck opened, this is NOT metallic ink..or at least its not good metallic ink on the faro deck but it should give some impression on what an inked version looks like (getting all the foil in one shot without losing the light is a bear

[Swiski66]

Where can I find photos comparing V1, V2 and V3?

[Evilgamer]

Where can I find photos comparing V1, V2 and V3?

My last pic is exactly that thought the V1 deck is the white base version not the gold one. (I have that in V1 but it's sealed and its staying that way).

Some of what I posted earlier is V2 vs V3.