Sigils of Fenrir by JinJade

[kevork]

Looks like Charmie Dreams & Herman helped offer guidance.

[laitostarr777]

Hence, does this deck still can be called “created by Charmie Dreams n Hyuga”

And… it’s wolves… my weakness

[Adamthinks]

Really dig this one. Backing for a special edition.

[Disenchanted_11]

The $5 only difference between the gilded version is really tempting. But I pledged for that standard glow in the dark foiled tuckbox.

[Disenchanted_11]

Another blown up project for a first time creator.. oh boy..

[Evilgamer]

I keep having a hangup backing this project, mostly because other than the kings, I dont think they've made it clear what the courts look like (unless all the courts are the same wolf)

[JazzBaloo]

The creator Jin has precisely duplicated Charmie's formula. I wonder if Jin is Charmie in disguise or if there is a mentorship.

[kevork]

The creator Jin has precisely duplicated Charmie's formula. I wonder if Jin is Charmie in disguise or if there is a mentorship.

I don't think there's reason to speculate and be conspiratorial with this one. Makes sense the project formula would be the same if it's his friend. What would be the incentive of him being in disguise? Perhaps there's a reason I'm not thinking of.

[JazzBaloo]

The creator Jin has precisely duplicated Charmie's formula. I wonder if Jin is Charmie in disguise or if there is a mentorship.

I don't think there's reason to speculate and be conspiratorial with this one. Makes sense the project formula would be the same if it's his friend. What would be the incentive of him being in disguise? Perhaps there's a reason I'm not thinking of.

Speculate? Conspiratorial? Haha my comments are harmless and it's obvious Charmie is steering that ship

[Strag]

ah yes your typical "ha ha I was only joking" when getting called out. You are gettting boring with that. Find a different place to troll perhaps?

[Disenchanted_11]

When will people learn that attention-seekers feed on...


... attention

[Strag]

Fair, I'll stop

[Fenrir]

I really like this deck, my only gripe is the teeth on the tuck. I think it could be better. Something about it just feels off but I can't place it. Not brutal enough maybe.

[JazzBaloo]

ah yes your typical "ha ha I was only joking" when getting called out. You are gettting boring with that. Find a different place to troll perhaps?

Called out? What are you talking about? Kevork himself called it "guidance". I merely made an obvious statement and it was called conspiracy or speculation. I'm not joking about anything. It was funny to me so I laugh. You can speculate or accuse me of anything you want bro. You can't be so fragile. I guess only solution is for you to ignore or try to get me banned. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I wasn't talking to you or about you but clearly my comment was so inflammatory that I should have known the wannabe authorities would come. Again, sorry.

[wonderfulfacts]

Another blown up project for a first time creator.. oh boy..

If you are happy with how Charmie Dreams The Cat has handled everything so far, then you don't really have much to worry about it seems.

The creator Jin has precisely duplicated Charmie's formula. I wonder if Jin is Charmie in disguise or if there is a mentorship.

There is no denying that jazzbaloo has a point in his observations here.

When comparing this project to the latest from Charmie Dreams The Cat, everything from the art style, the personality of textual presentation, item assortment, marketing strategy, image styling and project build, has the same DNA as Charmie Dreams The Cat. There are even some digital mockups that have used the same data template.

There is AI involvement in both projects inspite of JinJade having rejected this.
So, they are either deliberately lying about this or not aware of it.
Decide for yourself which one you think it is.

JinJade has officially stated that they will declare all rewards as gifts when shipped to ease the VAT burden for the supporters of their first project. Are you legally allowed to do so, when raising HK$ 1,520,323 in online trade, even as a private individual?

This could potentially be a game changer for the platform - or destructive creator behavior. I wonder if Charmie Dreams The Cat also does this?

[Adamthinks]

There is AI involvement in both projects inspite of JinJade having rejected this.
So, they are either deliberately lying about this or not aware of it.
Decide for yourself which one you think it is.

What exactly makes you so sure of that that you'll call them liars?

[wonderfulfacts]

There is AI involvement in both projects inspite of JinJade having rejected this.
So, they are either deliberately lying about this or not aware of it.
Decide for yourself which one you think it is.

What exactly makes you so sure of that that you'll call them liars?

I have a background as a specialist in graphic design.

I didn't say that they are liars.
I said that they are either liars or not aware that there is AI involvement in their projects.

[Fenrir]

There is AI involvement in both projects inspite of JinJade having rejected this.
So, they are either deliberately lying about this or not aware of it.
Decide for yourself which one you think it is.

What exactly makes you so sure of that that you'll call them liars?

I have a background as a specialist in graphic design.

I didn't say that they are liars.
I said that they are either liars or not aware that there is AI involvement in their projects.

Given your background and accusation can you provide some more insight as to what you think has been manipulated with AI?

Have you also seen this in any other campaigns, past or present?

[Adamthinks]

There is AI involvement in both projects inspite of JinJade having rejected this.
So, they are either deliberately lying about this or not aware of it.
Decide for yourself which one you think it is.

What exactly makes you so sure of that that you'll call them liars?

I have a background as a specialist in graphic design.

I didn't say that they are liars.
I said that they are either liars or not aware that there is AI involvement in their projects.

Frankly that's a copout. You're either accusing this designer or Charmie of lying. And doing so without offering anything in the way of an explanation of why you think that. That's kind of bs.

[JazzBaloo]

Maybe it's possible to have someone who works for them to have misled. Idk if it's common knowledge if they design all or part of their decks and idk if this guys knows that either. I also don't know if he's even seen fen comment or had a chance to reply, do you? Your comment seems kind of heavy handed jumping the gun.

[wonderfulfacts]

That's fair and only a good thing that my accusation is met with healthy scepticism.

But I am going to make a prediction:
If I post one example, you are going to reject it as irrelevant and say that you need a lot more than that. Then, when I post four more examples, you are still going to debate them and say that you need something far more relevant and concrete as evidence to document the case. That is a path that I am not willing to go down atm. Then I will rather take the bs.

But we can put that to the test.

JinJade's avatar - the one image specifically chosen to visually represent this creators public and commercial identity - should be enough of an eye opener to show that there is a path. For those completely unaware of what AI spits out, this is AI imagery in its raw form. 

In response to a backer asking about AI involvement, JinJade replies:

"... we are old-fashion artists and don't know how to use AI lol Every cards are handled by me and team! For sure including the lovely packaging by reputable Charmie and Herman!!"

[Fenrir]

I just want to clarify something. You said it’s a good thing that your accusation is met with healthy skepticism but then you say that you don’t want to go down the path of proving your point, only for the community not to agree with you. So that’s a bit strange honestly. You either, have sufficient proof for us to agree with you or you don’t.

All I’ve seen presented so far is a profile pic that comes back with a result of highly likely created by AI. It’s a well known fact that those “checkers” are often not accurate. So for me, this isn’t enough information.

I ran that same profile photo through another checker and it came back as not likely AI.

So I’m happy to listen to claims of AI but it’s going to be a lot more substantial than what is being presented today. Especially when the ramifications of your accusations are far more detrimental than just talking on a forum.

[wonderfulfacts]

That's reasonable and understandable.

When and where people will start to agree with me is a road that may never end.
It may never end because there will be people who have zero understanding or experience with AI and will need a legal sentencing to feel like I have provided enough evidence to them. That's reasonable and understandable too.

Your complete dismissal of my first example fulfills my prediction enough to make me not even want to take the next step.

Let's leave it as a baseless and undocumented accusation.

It's funny though, that this team calls themselves "old-fashion artists" because the projects presented by them are the very opposite of that.

[Adamthinks]

Let's leave it as a baseless and undocumented accusation.

Well yah, because it entirely is. You're being very weird about this.

[JazzBaloo]

Let's leave it as a baseless and undocumented accusation.

Well yah, because it entirely is. You're being very weird about this.

Agreed. With ample opportunity to further the claim along but choosing to retract as such... weird

[MagikFingerz]

But I am going to make a prediction:
If I post one example, you are going to reject it as irrelevant and say that you need a lot more than that.

That is, like, the worst example you could give to try to convince anyone. A profile picture that has nothing to do with the project, and results of an AI "checker" that by now most people know are completely useless. I recently saw one judging a picture of a cat with a snail's shell as "highly unlikely to be AI".

And you prefaced it by saying you expect people to refute the "evidence". It's easy to predict the future if you intentionally cause it to go the way you predicted.

Strange.

[laitostarr777]

It’s the dangerous world to live in now…

With advancement of AI, and it’s integrations to the creative industries, we get paranoid whether any creations are made by human or generated by computer.

[brownsl]

Maybe I am an art simpleton but I do not care if someone or AI created it. If I like the look, I will get it. I do not get all the uproar.

[Disenchanted_11]

This deck is not even art-heavy and still getting accused with AI.