Stockholm's Wild Project?

[Evilgamer]

Two well known artists making a deck together?

[kevork]

Time will tell as I'm curious what the benefit of such a collaboration will be.

[KGthePrince]

Im excited to see what they will cook up together. I was seeing a lot of negative comments on Patreon. I don't understand the hate. Sure, their aesthetics dont seem to really mesh, but that's what makes it all the more intriguing to me.

[Harvonsgard]

Expectation 0 - Curiosity 100.

[Evilgamer]

Im excited to see what they will cook up together. I was seeing a lot of negative comments on Patreon. I don't understand the hate. Sure, their aesthetics dont seem to really mesh, but that's what makes it all the more intriguing to me.

I have heavy collections of both.

Lorenzo's work tends to be much more detailed colorful and high quality than KWP's.

Having said that the KWP currency decks are some of my favorites. I just wish the rest of the decks looked like they were printed with a higher detail/DPI and more vibrant colors/more color.

[Bradius]

I think their asthetics can definitely mesh. They are both talented and versatile artists. Jackson is especially versatile as an artist. I don't think I am super-excited, but at least it sounds interesting. I am all for anything that gets some excitement going.

Rah, Rah and all that stuff. Sure.

I guess there is a reason I am not in sales.

[steampunk52]

Perhaps each one doing an interpretation of one of the other's decks. That could be interesting. Like Jackson doing a take on House of the Rising Spades. Though I can't think of good Jackson deck for Lorenzo though, offhand. Maybe something like Invocation?

[PaulF]

This is very exciting! I can't wait to see the details.

[Honeybee]

As long as it doesn't have the King with the gas mask image - I'm not a fan

[kevork]

As long as it doesn't have the King with the gas mask image - I'm not a fan

I actually really like that logo

[Harvonsgard]

As long as it doesn't have the King with the gas mask image - I'm not a fan

I actually really like that logo

Get out of me head

[alric]

Wow, two of the top designers collaborating on a deck? What's there not to like? Jackson is a lot more prolific, but looking back, the only KWP decks I really like are his Tally Ho variations and his currency decks. His recent stuff doesn't really do it for me like in the past, especially with his new printer. Lorenzo is probably in my top 2 favorite designers out there. The two of them combined could be something fresh and special. Depending on price, availability, and printer, this could be the must have deck of 2024. I'm not worried about the difference in styles, they're both more than talented enough to work that out.

The collab I would love to see is Stockholm17 and Uusi. They design the best custom court cards out of anybody who's ever designed a deck of cards, imo. If they ever got together, nothing would hold me back from getting that deck.

[Sinecure]

I also don’t understand what’s not to like. At minimum it will be fascinating to see what they come up with. Lorenzo is amazing and has a distinctive world-building style but perhaps folks need to refresh their memories on Jackson’s incredible body of work including some stunning decks.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... q_/pubhtml

They both have cheeky senses of humour. Wouldn’t be surprised if their collab has a self-referential streak of humour running through it.

[Fenrir]

Im excited to see what they will cook up together. I was seeing a lot of negative comments on Patreon. I don't understand the hate. Sure, their aesthetics dont seem to really mesh, but that's what makes it all the more intriguing to me.

I think you might be confusing hate with skepticism. I didn’t see anything on patreon that was remotely close to an outright bashing or disinterest. I saw a heavy amount of skepticism as to what might be coming and the value.

I don’t think it’s any secret that Jackson has moved from his best body of work to more of a quantity shift over the last few years. That and the quality of the printer he has been using has left much to be desired.

I’m curious what comes out of this but if I had been given the choice, a TWI, Jocu or UUSI collab would have been much higher on my list.

[laitostarr777]

Two somewhat different artstyle merging in one project… hmm I wonder what they might’ve come up

[GandalfPC]

[brownsl]

Is that the collaboration?? Meh.

[Timmargh]

Is that the collaboration?? Meh.

I very much doubt it.

[GandalfPC]

It is not.

[brownsl]

To be honest, the 17th Kingdom decks are the only works of Lorenzo's that I am not a huge fan of. Was not a fan of UUSI's round decks either. I prefer the traditional size/shape of decks.

[brownsl]

It is not.

Good!

[balrog326]

Hehe epic trolling with the polka dot interior lol I am sure since its a collab with JR there will be some sort of wooden box legacy edition possibly with his laser engraver like the legacy Alice decks. Might be really cool with either the S17 logo or another Lorenzo design. Usually I'm not into wooden boxes but if it's anything like the Gemini wooden box I will definitely be picking one up.

[Bradius]

Hmm...this discussion of boxes and collaboration would be interesting if it was a collaboration in a box for playing cards. Something different, but something they both have done very well. In any event, I loved the interpretive 17rh Kingdom photoshop. Congrats to whoever did it. I am more excited than ever now.

With both having strong number brands, I looked up events in both 1713 and 1317. I wasn't too excited with the results for 1713 (mainly the Treaty of Utrecht). However, I am warming to what came up when searching 1317. What came up in the search was the end of the Great Famine, which encompassed a lot of Northern Europe. I guess I liked that it marked the ending of a difficult period.

[rousselle]

I just want to interject here on the "quality vs quantity" notion I see pop up from time to time, both here and elsewhere. It's a common myth that artists who churn out large quantities of work do so by sacrificing quality. Now, your mileage may vary on whether you think Jackson has made such a trade (I do not, as you'll see), but the fact is that as a general rule, artists who produce high quality often see their quality go UP when they increase their quantity of output.

Further, when there is a lot of quantity, that *can* mean that there are more opportunities for experiments that fall short of greatness, but there are also far more opportunities for projects that *do* hit greatness.

Examples of artists who produced a lot and also produced super high quality during their high-output periods: Charles Dickens, H. G. Wells, William Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Ray Bradbury, Stephen King, The Beatles, Steven Spielberg, Monty Python, Vincent van Gogh. KWP's Table Players weren't meant to be great works of art; they were intended to be "players." And while the Club 13 decks weren't all hit out of the ballpark, the high points of the last year certainly are a higher quality than the high points of the first year and a half. I'd also consider his LotR decks to be quite commendable, as were the Mistborn decks, etc.

As for the manufacturing quality of the past couple years, I realize that's a matter of taste and preference (and always has been), but I think *most* collectors who have them in their collection would agree that the LotR decks and the Club 13 decks from their last year were excellent in terms of cut, finish, handling, registration, and print quality. I've been favorably impressed by how far along his most recent manufacturer has come from their earlier offerings.

My favorite proverb in Russian is <<На вкус и цвет, товарищей нет.>> ("In taste and color, there are no comrades.") Truly, none of us will agree on every candidate for Great Artist or Great Work of Art. And just as some feel like Jackson's recent work hasn't quite matched his earlier output, so too are there folks who think Stephen King's recent novels don't hold up against his earlier work.

But I contend that JR's Chinese and Sterling Legal Tender decks, plus his recent re-work of the US Legal Tender decks, are a fantastic addition and stand up quite well against his original US currency decks. His Overbite and XII Days of Christmas are every bit as creative and fun as his Crayon, Crazy 8s, and Deck the Halls decks. I contend his most recent LotR decks more than hold their own against his original Sherlock Holmes project.

I'm not trying to shout anyone down who just doesn't like JR's work as much as they like Uusi's or Gio's.

Rather, I'm just trying to dispel the myth that producing more work results in producing inferior work. Quite the contrary. Both Lorenzo and Jackson have improved with the increased practice they've been getting and experimentation they've been performing. Do note that Lorenzo's output has also increased over the years, even if not as drastically as Jackson's has.

I'm looking forward to seeing what these two masters conjure up together.

Anyway. This is me getting back off my soap box. I hope you enjoyed my TEDTalk.

PS: Read Stephen King's Doctor Sleep, which came out ten years ago, and then read Carrie, which came out fifty years ago. Do you really think his writing hasn't improved in the forty years between those two books?

[Fenrir]

Rousselle,

Thanks for providing your perspective. I absolutely understand where you are coming from but I don't agree. While an increase in quantity does not necessarily mean that quality will be sacrificed, I think there is enough evidence to prove that isn't true for Jackson.

While I agree that quantity with experimentation can lead to greatness it isn't a guarantee. The difference is Jackson increased his quantity without any additional experimentation, while also lowering the quality compared to previous work.

Your comparison to writers and musicians doesn't seem comparable. There are years between books and albums. Mark Twain didn't release 40 stories a year which were all hits. You got less quantity and better products because of it. I imagine if he had released all of his stories in the same year, they would likely not be the same quality or regarded in the same way.

It's just personal opinion but I didn't find Sterling to be a good looking deck. Especially compared to Chinese Legal Tender and Legal Tender. Additionally, the original concept for overbite was significantly better than what was released. Keep in mind that his present work is being judged against his old work. Those are some real heavy hitters. I have not seen anything close to the quality of Arthurian, Robin Hood, Beowulf, Invocation, Postage Paid etc... Decks with mistakes, have been present and Mistborn doesn't count as a Jackson deck as he didn't do the artwork. I agree it is a fantastic deck but that's a Titus design. Re-using the Fed 52 tuck box in a new colour hardly counts as work effort.

Lorenzo maintains a certain volume each year and the quality stays consistent. That's how I see it at least. Nothing wrong with Jackson deciding to put out more decks. He has a large team and family but there's enough evidence to point to an increase in quality not living up to prior years when quantity was lower. I am not a fan of the LOTR deck style, especially when he showed the Archaic edition which was FAR superior and never released. If he had released that version I would 100% agree with you that his quality was remaining the same.

This is just my take and it's not meant to take anything away from people who like Jacksons work or an attack on him directly. This is simply my perspective from looking in and being a fan of his older work.

[laitostarr777]

The SO MANY decks Jackson produced is what makes me driven away from completing KWP - being crudely selective than gettting ALL of them.
Not to mention that his shipping rates to my country is still high