The Corrupted by Wyrmwood (Produced by TGW)

[CCwonder]

Look no, but they said in the 11/1 groundskeeper update that they were satisfied with that sheet.

They were supposed to get a 100 deck groundskeeper test run delivered that afternoon from the same printer (WJPC), hopefully that came in and we will see and hear something about that this week.

Thanks. I will then wait patiently.

[Fenrir]

These were the best photos I could get from the video. The gold looks good. Prismatic is not as shiny as I thought but it’s probably just the 5 second video.

[Evilgamer]

Look no, but they said in the 11/1 groundskeeper update that they were satisfied with that sheet.

They were supposed to get a 100 deck groundskeeper test run delivered that afternoon from the same printer (WJPC), hopefully that came in and we will see and hear something about that this week.

Thanks. I will then wait patiently.

both campaigns samples are in, sounds like they are going to try to improve the corrupted print a little.

[CCwonder]

Look no, but they said in the 11/1 groundskeeper update that they were satisfied with that sheet.

They were supposed to get a 100 deck groundskeeper test run delivered that afternoon from the same printer (WJPC), hopefully that came in and we will see and hear something about that this week.

Thanks. I will then wait patiently.

both campaigns samples are in, sounds like they are going to try to improve the corrupted print a little.

Thank you for the update. Looks as though they have some adjustments to make. I don't like the bigger borders on the Groundskeeper but if for some reason now Cartamundi is having centering problems then maybe that is the way to go. I thought it was not a fair 'test' of which GK card was of better quality because they only showed the opinion of the 1 person when they went to ask the group. I think maybe he picked the WJPC card because it was thicker and if so then that is not a completely valid analysis. When all is said and done, as long as backers get what they are expecting... quality playing cards, then it will have been a success.

[TheGentlemanWake]

The corrupted coin samples.

[PiazzaDelivery]

The copper is an easy 9/10 for me.

[Harvonsgard]

Can we call them medallions from now on? Because whenever I see a "coin" from a card project the former numismatic in me vomits figuratively. Le Chat Rouge and the hobo coins (forgot from which creator they were) were the only ones deserving the title coin imho - although most definitions of the term coin involve the use as currency anyways so, there is that.

[CCwonder]

I thought alignment issues were unique to USPCC. I recently saw this WJPCC card and with the WW update showing the same issue with Cartamundi, is this a problem for every printer?

[Harvonsgard]

Of course it is. Nobody has a secret sauce recipe to align every single card perfectly. It's just that USPCC is the biggest offender in that regard.

[CCwonder]

Of course it is. Nobody has a secret sauce recipe to align every single card perfectly. It's just that USPCC is the biggest offender in that regard.

Is it possible that this problem is more prominent with USPCC because of larger print runs? I wonder if there is a magic number where if the run doesn't surpass it, it will not be an issue.

[Harvonsgard]

In a sense that larger print run in most cases means higher production speed, yah.

[CCwonder]

In a sense that larger print run in most cases means higher production speed, yah.

Do the plates also become misaligned over time? Would it be helpful or even possible to stop the run halfway through to make adjustments or maybe just split up the large print run into a few smaller runs?

[Harvonsgard]

Plates have nothing to do with the cutting process. The cards are offset printed in sheets (or for huge stuff like standard bikes on a web press). Those sheets then go to the cutting machines. If you slow down the machines to get a better result you cut (no pun intended) into your profit margin. Another option would be tighten your error margin/up the quality control but then you would have more rejects/waste aka less profit again.

[CCwonder]

Plates have nothing to do with the cutting process. The cards are offset printed in sheets (or for huge stuff like standard bikes on a web press). Those sheets then go to the cutting machines. If you slow down the machines to get a better result you cut (no pun intended) into your profit margin. Another option would be tighten your error margin/up the quality control but then you would have more rejects/waste aka less profit again.

So the cards are printed off center on the sheets or the cutters are not aligned properly with the sheets? I'm having trouble understanding the process.

[Disenchanted_11]

is this a problem for every printer?

It seems now a problem for every collector.

Maybe the customization industry is the problem itself. No standard border width for all and then the printers just can't cope.

Me personally, as long as it isn't an obvious misprint where art is ruined, I don't mind. The cards will stay in the box most of the time anyway.

[PiazzaDelivery]

Can we call them medallions from now on? Because whenever I see a "coin" from a card project the former numismatic in me vomits figuratively. Le Chat Rouge and the hobo coins (forgot from which creator they were) were the only ones deserving the title coin imho - although most definitions of the term coin involve the use as currency anyways so, there is that.

Call it a card guard, or whatever the official word for the weight you place on top of your poker hand when you're not staring at the cards is.

[Honeybee]

is this a problem for every printer?

It seems now a problem for every collector.

Maybe the customization industry is the problem itself. No standard border width for all and then the printers just can't cope.

Me personally, as long as it isn't an obvious misprint where art is ruined, I don't mind. The cards will stay in the box most of the time anyway.

And this is what I don't truly understand - if people don't open their decks, then they have no idea if their cards are aligned etc etc

[laitostarr777]

is this a problem for every printer?

It seems now a problem for every collector.

Maybe the customization industry is the problem itself. No standard border width for all and then the printers just can't cope.

Me personally, as long as it isn't an obvious misprint where art is ruined, I don't mind. The cards will stay in the box most of the time anyway.

And this is what I don't truly understand - if people don't open their decks, then they have no idea if their cards are aligned etc etc

This can be called: “Ignorance is Bliss”
You RATHER keep it forever closed and not knowing if its good or not THAN opening the deck and get frustrated if you got unlucky to get offset decks

[EvilDuncan]

is this a problem for every printer?

It seems now a problem for every collector.

Maybe the customization industry is the problem itself. No standard border width for all and then the printers just can't cope.

Me personally, as long as it isn't an obvious misprint where art is ruined, I don't mind. The cards will stay in the box most of the time anyway.

And this is what I don't truly understand - if people don't open their decks, then they have no idea if their cards are aligned etc etc

Lol almost all of my decks are still unopened, so I could likely have quite a few with egregious misalignments and I'll never know.

[Strag]

The corrupted coin samples.

The only one I really like is the copper one. The other ones just don't do it for me.

[TheGentlemanWake]

I can see that. These were not sculpted by my usual sculptor. Because by the time wyrmwood got back to me that they wanted them it was short notice. I still think they are pretty cool.

[Harvonsgard]

So the cards are printed off center on the sheets or the cutters are not aligned properly with the sheets? I'm having trouble understanding the process.

Nah, offset printing is the process used to print most paper products nowadays. Look it up on wikipedia it's rather long to explain. It has nothing to do with offset as in off-center. In offset printing you have basically two different types of machines:
• sheed-fed = like your home office printer - pre-cut sheets go into a magazin and printed sheets come out on the other end.
• web press = giang rolls of paper get printed and then cut into sheets on the end.

After the printing comes a second production step - the cutting. That is where those misalignments happen. Here you take the sheets and they get die-cut into the single cards. Simply put, imagine your hole-puncher and look what happens when you don't align the sheet exactly on the edge of it.

[CCwonder]

So the cards are printed off center on the sheets or the cutters are not aligned properly with the sheets? I'm having trouble understanding the process.

Nah, offset printing is the process used to print most paper products nowadays. Look it up on wikipedia it's rather long to explain. It has nothing to do with offset as in off-center. In offset printing you have basically two different types of machines:
• sheed-fed = like your home office printer - pre-cut sheets go into a magazin and printed sheets come out on the other end.
• web press = giang rolls of paper get printed and then cut into sheets on the end.

After the printing comes a second production step - the cutting. That is where those misalignments happen. Here you take the sheets and they get die-cut into the single cards. Simply put, imagine your hole-puncher and look what happens when you don't align the sheet exactly on the edge of it.

so the only solution is to slow down the printing? Can the sheet be better aligned with the cutter somehow?

[CCwonder]

So the cards are printed off center on the sheets or the cutters are not aligned properly with the sheets? I'm having trouble understanding the process.

Nah, offset printing is the process used to print most paper products nowadays. Look it up on wikipedia it's rather long to explain. It has nothing to do with offset as in off-center. In offset printing you have basically two different types of machines:
• sheed-fed = like your home office printer - pre-cut sheets go into a magazin and printed sheets come out on the other end.
• web press = giang rolls of paper get printed and then cut into sheets on the end.

After the printing comes a second production step - the cutting. That is where those misalignments happen. Here you take the sheets and they get die-cut into the single cards. Simply put, imagine your hole-puncher and look what happens when you don't align the sheet exactly on the edge of it.

so the only solution is to slow down the process? Can the sheets be better aligned with the cutter?

[Disenchanted_11]

I can see that. These were not sculpted by my usual sculptor. Because by the time wyrmwood got back to me that they wanted them it was short notice. I still think they are pretty cool.

Short notice indeed, 4 days to go and still isn't available as add on. Let's be honest, they aren't up to standard with your usual coin quality.

And in a way I'm glad they turned out this way and didn't tipped me over the edge to backing. Specially now that Ed responded to my message more than 1 month later:

Hello,

I apologize for the delays getting back to you! It is totally fine to wait for the Corrupted to finalize your order entirely. Your credit will still be valid, and you should be able to check out with all your desired items then.

This is the exact opposite of what customer service replied to me (via email) back then, so I then already finalized my Groundskeeper order. And now they're saying it should be fine to check them out together with Corrupted.

I'm guessing this change has been possible only due to the website problems they're currently having and Groundskeeper order deadline has been pushed back to kingdom come.

[hsbc]

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[laitostarr777]

At this rate, I am more Leaning to: leaving a sour note to Wyrmwood before I abandoned their rickety ship, and just wait for Wake to have them Corrupted decks to be stocked at his webstore and me grabbing them (hopefully that includes the coins?)

[Harvonsgard]

so the only solution is to slow down the process?

Basically yes.

[laitostarr777]

Might be irrelevant or not, but…
I cringed at the title of this video from them - knowing they messed up big time for the Internationals during Groundskeeper, and they MIGHT do the same with Corrupted

[Evilgamer]

Ok I’m all for flogging Wyrmwood when they screw up. But in both the case of that machine installer and the international fee plugin they hired someone to figure that out for them because they knew they didn’t know how to do it (and in the case of the machine it was running fine until someone who knew it better said “why are you going so slow?”

Now it’s completely fair to say they didn’t catch or fix either problem fast enough or communicate well about it. And for the shipping they definitely should have/should just reprocess the orders themselves and refund appropriately rather than ask people to contact them.