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Interesting work and at the same time very difficult! I wish you good luck and a worthy appreciation of the community of cardists and connoisseurs of artistic illustration!
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Ruta, your artwork is heartbreaking and achingly beautiful.

I appreciated both the artwork and the message from the start, even though I find myself in a situation where I have to severely pull back on my playing card purchases, and I figured I would be rooting for you on the sidelines, but damn... I'm going to have to pick up a couple of these decks. The message and the artwork are too powerful for me to let them pass me by.

Your splash of color is perfect, and suggests you may wish to add some -- sparingly -- to other cards as well.
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Great work! The topic is very difficult, but at the same time very relevant. War is engulfing the whole world and it is terrible.
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rousselle wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:22 am Ruta, your artwork is heartbreaking and achingly beautiful.

I appreciated both the artwork and the message from the start, even though I find myself in a situation where I have to severely pull back on my playing card purchases, and I figured I would be rooting for you on the sidelines, but damn... I'm going to have to pick up a couple of these decks. The message and the artwork are too powerful for me to let them pass me by.

Your splash of color is perfect, and suggests you may wish to add some -- sparingly -- to other cards as well.
Thank you very much! I am honoured to hear such words about my work! Especially from such a skilful person in this business as you! As for the colour... The red cards will be based on the colour of the ace... I consider them as suitable as possible for this work. I will also consider adding small coloured elements to the other cards, if I understand you correctly.
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Completion of the jokers
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RutaChervona wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:28 pm Completion of the jokers
There is excitement and anticipation. It is something thrilling. I want you to do well. I'm also keeping up-to-date to take part in buying some decks.
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Hi everyone!!! I'm finishing up the maps 2-10 little by little. There are still details and optimising the background so that it doesn't clog up too many pips.
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Hey Ruta, I think you would appreciate the efforts of one of Australia's leading jockeys

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/why ... 5ebz1.html

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A way to outline the pips would be great, that way they can stand out.
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kevork wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:20 pm A way to outline the pips would be great, that way they can stand out.
The backgrounds will be made lighter, or by some other means to highlight the pips themselves. We're thinking about that too.
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Honeybee wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:56 pm Hey Ruta, I think you would appreciate the efforts of one of Australia's leading jockeys

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/why ... 5ebz1.html

The SMH is our leading newspaper
Thank you for the article! Yes, this is a great man! Why would he want to do that?! After all, he has achieved a lot in his life, world recognition, money, fame...! But there's something more important to a man than all that! What pushes him to act against the common sense of many people. It's the voice of his heart! I guess that's the calling!!!
I don't think it would be offensive if I took some of his phrases for a project? It's important to me.
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Hey, there.

So... Ruta and Sergey (Serkon), allow me to ask: what is your relation to each other? Ruta, did you do any of the artwork on Sergey's Dance of Death deck?
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rousselle wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:23 am Hey, there.

So... Ruta and Sergey (Serkon), allow me to ask: what is your relation to each other? Ruta, did you do any of the artwork on Sergey's Dance of Death deck?
Good afternoon. No, with Sergey, I consult on the style, vision and design of the page. Since he had experience on kickstarter. They worked with Evgenia Topchiy from Russia on the "dance of death" cards.
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Honeybee wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:56 pm Hey Ruta, I think you would appreciate the efforts of one of Australia's leading jockeys

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/why ... 5ebz1.html

The SMH is our leading newspaper
With the permission of the author of this article, I would like to begin the narrative of my project... I was very much inspired by his dedication and I want to capture it on my page! The page isn't quite complete yet, but the basic work is done. I believe that everyone who has supported and encouraged me here has the right to see it among the first!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ch ... n=ae4ba66e
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Ok this is going to come across as negative...because it mostly is. As much as I want to see this campaign succeed you need to draw in buyers and Im not sure they're going to come...I hope Im wrong about that!

please take this as feedback and not trying to dismiss your art or campaign.

You are relying almost entirely on sympathy for the Ukraine cause to sell this campaign. There is very little on that campaign page that would draw an audience outside of the "Ukraine is fighting for its life" angle. Plus you don't quite have (IMO) all the prep work done just yet.

You are an unknown quantity on KS, you need to overcome that

you are using a less known/liked printer (yes I know they are Ukrainian and thats on brand for this)

the shipping also appears to be subject to Ukraine postal services which will cause some concern.

the deck price is a little high for a non-foiled/metallic deck, though taking the above into consideration it does say free shipping (make sure you can really pull this off and not blow the budget).

You are only showing 12 cards, not even the full courts or any pip/number cards at a minimum I would have all the courts ready first and a sample of the number cards. Your aces are your strongest cards! The card grouping is a little weird too, I would suggest explaining if there is any commonality to a suit or to a card value (i.e. the queens are all women doing X, the kings are all men doing Y)

You dont show the back of the cards or mention it in fact in English your line about the back doesn't make sense: "1 back (sample)". of course they have 1 back, show it to me.

Not even renders of cards, much less physical samples in hand just concept art I dont know that you have a way to make samples but it always helps sell that the campaign is serious and not just throwing a campaign up as soon as they can to make money.

some of the art superimposed over real pictures is a little odd though for two of them you posted the real card right after.

And question, the tuck art says the artists name is Ekaterina Biricheva is that your real name (or what we would call a "pen name" an artists alias) or who is that, I can see that causing scrutiny if it's not explained.

If this projects profit are going to be used for something to improve the situation in Ukraine (KS policy willing) you should say it.

A lot of this is unavoidable (like being a first time producer) but not all of it. I would give a think to what you can do to improve the campaign before it goes live.

AGAIN I WANT YOU TO SUCCED WITH THIS.
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I would lead the campaign with this image perhaps - I find it the strongest in conveying the whole of the deck

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Evilgamer wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:37 pm Ok this is going to come across as negative...because it mostly is. As much as I want to see this campaign succeed you need to draw in buyers and Im not sure they're going to come...I hope Im wrong about that!

please take this as feedback and not trying to dismiss your art or campaign.

You are relying almost entirely on sympathy for the Ukraine cause to sell this campaign. There is very little on that campaign page that would draw an audience outside of the "Ukraine is fighting for its life" angle. Plus you don't quite have (IMO) all the prep work done just yet.

You are an unknown quantity on KS, you need to overcome that

you are using a less known/liked printer (yes I know they are Ukrainian and thats on brand for this)

the shipping also appears to be subject to Ukraine postal services which will cause some concern.

the deck price is a little high for a non-foiled/metallic deck, though taking the above into consideration it does say free shipping (make sure you can really pull this off and not blow the budget).

You are only showing 12 cards, not even the full courts or any pip/number cards at a minimum I would have all the courts ready first and a sample of the number cards. Your aces are your strongest cards! The card grouping is a little weird too, I would suggest explaining if there is any commonality to a suit or to a card value (i.e. the queens are all women doing X, the kings are all men doing Y)

You dont show the back of the cards or mention it in fact in English your line about the back doesn't make sense: "1 back (sample)". of course they have 1 back, show it to me.

Not even renders of cards, much less physical samples in hand just concept art I dont know that you have a way to make samples but it always helps sell that the campaign is serious and not just throwing a campaign up as soon as they can to make money.

some of the art superimposed over real pictures is a little odd though for two of them you posted the real card right after.

And question, the tuck art says the artists name is Ekaterina Biricheva is that your real name (or what we would call a "pen name" an artists alias) or who is that, I can see that causing scrutiny if it's not explained.

If this projects profit are going to be used for something to improve the situation in Ukraine (KS policy willing) you should say it.

A lot of this is unavoidable (like being a first time producer) but not all of it. I would give a think to what you can do to improve the campaign before it goes live.

AGAIN I WANT YOU TO SUCCED WITH THIS.
Thank you, for the detailed comment! That's why I opened access to the page, to get an outside opinion. As always, if you work on something for a long time, "the eye gets blurred"! The project has not been launched yet, I am just introducing it to you. Perhaps, for some people, the Ukrainian issue is a bit old-fashioned.... But for me it is an actual topic. As for printing in a Ukrainian printing house, I am in Ukraine. And to connect to another country I don't see a clear possibility, to print maps from outside, then import them into a warring country and send them all over the world. All this will increase the price. Naturally, since the production will be in Ukraine, national mail will also be used. Pseudonym - "Chervona ruta" (mythical flower of Carpathian beliefs) Ekaterina Biricheva, this is directly the artist with whom I work and who realises my idea. Ladies and kings will take note of the description of the processes. The shirt is definitely being manufactured and will be presented, as will the "2-10" cards As for the charity, the CC is not an ardent supporter of this procedure and I am in no hurry to make adjustments.
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GandalfPC wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:47 pm I would lead the campaign with this image perhaps - I find it the strongest in conveying the whole of the deck


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Thanks for the tip, I'll update the main photo if I see little interest in my chosen option!
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Thanks again to everyone who actively participates in the creation of my project. Some with advice, some with criticism. It's important! Every opinion has the right to live! Someone admires the good cards, believing that everything will be fine! Some are delighted by the aces! Some people look at all their problems and say: "Damn it. I'm gonna have to pick up a couple of these decks..." I was absolutely delighted!!! Letting me know that I'm on the right track! I see for myself once again that there are as many people as there are opinions! And it's really wonderful! It makes us special and at the same time unites us around something! Soon my little ship called "STOP WAR" will go out into the open ocean of possibilities! Which I hope will resonate in the hearts of those who see it. For me, it is very important that my work takes its rightful place in your hearts and perhaps collections! Sincerely Chervona Ruta!
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Ruta I appreciate you taking my criticism in the manner it was intended. Yes “Ukraine again?!?!” Is very much happening in the west….because we can… you don’t have that luxury I know.

Regardless how it goes I’ll back the campaign. The art is strong enough.
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Evilgamer wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:16 am Ruta I appreciate you taking my criticism in the manner it was intended. Yes “Ukraine again?!?!” Is very much happening in the west….because we can… you don’t have that luxury I know.

Regardless how it goes I’ll back the campaign. The art is strong enough.
Thank you. In my opinion, you are a good soldier! (Possibly an officer) A person who likes everything to be right! That's why your opinion was important! And even though sometimes I want to get involved in a heated argument with you!!!))) I understand that you acted with good intentions!
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RutaChervona wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:43 am Thank you. In my opinion, you are a good soldier! (Possibly an officer) A person who likes everything to be right! That's why your opinion was important! And even though sometimes I want to get involved in a heated argument with you!!!))) I understand that you acted with good intentions!
Close, Not in the military no, but yes it is my job to help things be successful, and have the people reporting to me accomplish thieir projects. I don’t like failure much….
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Evilgamer wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:16 am
RutaChervona wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:43 am Thank you. In my opinion, you are a good soldier! (Possibly an officer) A person who likes everything to be right! That's why your opinion was important! And even though sometimes I want to get involved in a heated argument with you!!!))) I understand that you acted with good intentions!
Close, Not in the military no, but yes it is my job to help things be successful, and have the people reporting to me accomplish thieir projects. I don’t like failure much….
Well, your influence spread partly on me too!) I had to grit my teeth and take my will in a fist to prove that I am worthy of your recognition and those who supported me here morally!)
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I can see the back in this format:
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Sometimes I have a problem with upside down birds - it put me off Jackson Robinson's The Bird
and once again with this one, I think it is because if you do not reverse the image in your mind, it looks like the bird is in trouble
Just me, as sometimes I am fine such as with the Meadowlark backs. Flying up or down does not worry me as this is one of my favourites
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My first reaction to the backs - OH Wow!

To Honeybee's observation - my thought was a ribbon or some other framing device (a continuation of the leaves and branches perhaps) across the middle might provide visual separation of the two ends - because I love the theme you're presenting here.
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Here they are as a symbol of hope that one day peace will come to the whole world.
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Hi, everybody! We're launching a project! So wish us luck! I'll be honest. Two aces and two kings are still in the works. They will be ready in a while! Which we will show in the next update! If you don't like something you can always refuse while the project is in progress! There will be enough time! Once again I want to thank everyone who participated with advice, support or criticism! All the heated debates are over! Now believe in the best! As we say: "with, God!!!"

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Congratulations on launching! I appreciate how you've involved us in your process and been open to both criticism and feedback. Happy to support.

I do want to echo the feedback on the card backs, where it's hard to wrap my mind around the bird upside down. It's difficult to mirror a bird in this way.
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I'm in, if for no other reason than to support your artistic journey. I sincerely hope this funds.
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