theory11 x Oscars (Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences)

[hsbc]

[Fenrir]

Duplicate post.

[Fenrir]

Kevin must be working overtime with all the decks he has coming out.

As much as this topic doesn’t interest me, I have to keep my T11 collection going.

[PiazzaDelivery]

The only way I buy this deck is if they make is as irreverent as possible. Give me the memes. Native American Brando stand-in? Confused faces LaLa Land/Moonlight? Will Smith Stockton slap? I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

[laitostarr777]

New teaser coming up!

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Oh, the designer for this deck is Kevin Cantrell

[redux]

Probably another letdown...

[Strag]

I can't imagine what sort of "Oscars" deck would be that interesting, unless it somehow paid homage to past winners. I don't see that happening with rights, etc.

[bdawg923]

$17 no thanks

[see_squared]

I can't imagine what sort of "Oscars" deck would be that interesting, unless it somehow paid homage to past winners. I don't see that happening with rights, etc.

Uhhh, there are over 3000 statuettes awarded in the 95 years it's been running...good luck figuring out who to pick from that list and getting rights to their likeness. Of course this isn't going to pay homage to anyone specific

[kevork]

I was hesitant because up until the release, we had not seen any card reveals and T11 is known for having phenomenal tucks while the cards can be a bit of a gamble. These are not too shabby. I'll wait to see more of what the cards/courts look like.

[56inCello]

Two courts shown - gonna wait this one out

[antifaro]

Super rare for an organization like the Academy to let another company release a product with their name attached to it. Regardless of what people think of the awards in general, this was quite an achievement on theory's part to be able to partner up with them. They've got a pretty big foot in the door now and expanding rather successfully into other industries. Seeing other playing card makers/designers talking down on them is quite hilarious, comes off as jealous and childish. I bet they'd change their tune if they were making anywhere near the amount of business they do on a consistent basis. I think they look pretty great, can't complain about another Kevin Cantrell design. People have been asking for different stuff from theory11 and yet they still find the tiniest crap to complain about lol

[GandalfPC]

People seem to think sometimes that there is 1 card market - which of course is not in any way the case.

They have worked up a business to do this kind of stuff on purpose, and that means that they produce decks that small guys never will.

But the small guys are doing things that they never will.

We get the best of both worlds and aren't forced to shop in either.

I don’t think its shade to say you don’t like a deck, or why you don’t like it - it can help tone down the hype and get to the core of a deck for people. I often look starry eyed at a new deck until someone points out some major flaw that I only would have noticed once it was in hand with disappointment - but it really shouldn’t be to the point to discourage anyone from making decks - never know what they will make or who might like it.

I’m a pass on most new T11 - have a selection of the old - think this deck looks snazzy. Not an Oscar fan, but I might get one - probably know someone who would really like one.

Also safe to say they bring a fair number of new people to card collecting, as they are in the retail stores with fancy decks.

[laitostarr777]

It’s ALL BOUT GOLD for this deck

I will snatch one, pretend this is a mew form of trophy XD

[GandalfPC]

I asked the AI to whip you up one, displayed in front of your current “good folk” trophy on the mantle

[kevork]

People seem to think sometimes that there is 1 card market - which of course is not in any way the case.

They have worked up a business to do this kind of stuff on purpose, and that means that they produce decks that small guys never will.

But the small guys are doing things that they never will.

We get the best of both worlds and aren't forced to shop in either.

I don’t think its shade to say you don’t like a deck, or why you don’t like it - it can help tone down the hype and get to the core of a deck for people. I often look starry eyed at a new deck until someone points out some major flaw that I only would have noticed once it was in hand with disappointment - but it really shouldn’t be to the point to discourage anyone from making decks - never know what they will make or who might like it.

I’m a pass on most new T11 - have a selection of the old - think this deck looks snazzy. Not an Oscar fan, but I might get one - probably know someone who would really like one.

Also safe to say they bring a fair number of new people to card collecting, as they are in the retail stores with fancy decks.

This is where my mindset was as well. As collectors on a forum for playing card collecting, we can share our opinions, praises, disagreements, and criticisms because at the end of the day, we all have varying tastes. None of this means I wouldn't wish success on the people behind the decks seeing as competition and variety have led to amazing innovations in every area that it is allowed to exist. Nothing is black and white and companies like T11 and KWP are most peoples' first exposure to the world of customized playing cards, and for that they do a fantastic job.

[Harvonsgard]

On of the rare T11 decks were the cards (well - the front of them) are better than the tuck. Kevin's work on the number cards is great and I'm sure fans of his work will like the courts, too. The back and tuck are just... yawn...

[Strag]

Seeing other playing card makers/designers talking down on them is quite hilarious, comes off as jealous and childish. I bet they'd change their tune if they were making anywhere near the amount of business they do on a consistent basis. I think they look pretty great, can't complain about another Kevin Cantrell design. People have been asking for different stuff from theory11 and yet they still find the tiniest crap to complain about lol

I own 63 unique Theory 11 decks and a grand total of 131 decks of theirs including dupes. Fair to say that I don't find Theory 11 to be distasteful. I just think that the Oscars isn't that interesting a subject matter to cover in a deck of cards and seeing the designs, I feel pretty justified in my opinion (yes, it's an opinion) as it doesn't really seem to be an Oscars deck but more an Art Deco deck. Not a bad design at all, just not really exploring the theme in an interesting way to me.

BTW, I saw only one single card maker/designer who even commented in this thread (see_squared), and they actually were quasi-defending the deck choice. So not really sure why you feel the need to attack those who are simply stating their opinon.

[vasta41]

The way I feel about these...

I will eventually have one in my collection. But it makes me upset about the Endangered Animals deck. Clearly T11 can release a foiled deck for under $17 but still charges $25 for that one? No me gusta.

[Harvonsgard]

I'll tell you a secret... they can release a foiled deck for less than $15. But why would they if people keep buying them for $15, $17 and even $25?

[see_squared]

Seeing other playing card makers/designers talking down on them is quite hilarious, comes off as jealous and childish. I bet they'd change their tune if they were making anywhere near the amount of business they do on a consistent basis. I think they look pretty great, can't complain about another Kevin Cantrell design. People have been asking for different stuff from theory11 and yet they still find the tiniest crap to complain about lol

BTW, I saw only one single card maker/designer who even commented in this thread (see_squared), and they actually were quasi-defending the deck choice. So not really sure why you feel the need to attack those who are simply stating their opinon.

This forum makes me laugh sometimes. My apologies if my comment seemed insensitive...I was just trying to get to the point much quicker. But here's the long version...I was simply stating it would be an impossible (but impressive) task to narrow down a pool of thousands of Academy Award winners into 54 people/names/depictions/categories on cards (let alone 12 if you're just doing court cards). Most people would want to see celebrities represented in the deck but as we all know, filmmaking is so much more than that. So to make a truly inclusive deck of playing cards celebrating even a small portion of 'popular' winners would require way more than just one deck of playing cards. You see my point? And even then, if you release a dozen different decks, each including some of the most popular names or faces, you'd still get people who complain that someone they liked or thought should be included was missing. So why even entertain that idea and just make it specific to the Academy (and not individual people). And what do you do for those who just won last night, make another deck? I just don't see anyone going through with that. I'm not a sports person, but I can't imagine making only 1 NFL or MLB deck or anything with such an extensive history of award winners, MVP's, etc. I'd certainly love to see it done though, personally I just wouldn't know how...believe me, I've tried.

I mean as a former designer and producer of playing cards I know the amount of work that goes into designing and producing playing cards. It ain't easy. If you truly care about the project, there are a million decisions you need to make from creative choices on artwork to choosing the paper color, foils, and ink colors...especially with a licensed property. With those, sometimes you have to follow strict guidelines determined by the licensor or estate (must contain this, cannot do that to the logo, must use this color palette, etc). So anytime I see a licensed deck or collaboration from anyone, I immediately assume that the decisions made did not come lightly and most of those choices were made as a result of a style guide and/or some sort of restrictions that needed to be followed and eventually approved.

Jackson and I had a meeting with Jay Leno years ago to do a Jay Leno's Garage deck (based on a selection of his favorite cars in his collection). The meeting at the garage went well and we were ready to move on the project, but when it came down to licensing all the different car brands we intended on including in the deck...it was starting to get way too complicated (and expensive) so we shelved the project. There are tons of passion projects out there, people are always going to love it, hate it or feel indifferent about it. Whether I agree with your perspective or not, I'm still going to be respectful and if there are facts that are skewed or inaccurate, I'll point that out. I respect the creative vision that many deck designers and producers have on a project and I give them props for going through with it including all the new designers learning to navigate their way through producing a deck of playing cards. It can be exciting and nerve-racking to release a project in today's world. Everyone has a voice on forums, comments, blogs and DM's that you just open yourself up to so much more chatter to weed through.

Personal opinion here, having worked in Film and TV for a long time I'm a fan of the Oscars and the Emmy's and since the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has a new museum, seems only fitting that a deck of cards would be a lovely little souvenir at the gift shop. Almost certainly the Academy would have approached t11 about this project the way they (and many other companies) approach other businesses who do things well to produce products for them. Having been to the museum a few times, this deck falls right in line with the overall aesthetic of the Academy, their history and how they've been curating the museum. So yeah, that's why I like this one.

I will eventually have one in my collection. But it makes me upset about the Endangered Animals deck. Clearly T11 can release a foiled deck for under $17 but still charges $25 for that one? No me gusta.

Yikes, $25? Where was that? Moooi illustrated and designed that deck, t11 produced it. Maybe Moooi is selling it for that much? I see it on the t11 website for $19.95.

[shermjack]

Yikes, $25? Where was that? Moooi illustrated and designed that deck, t11 produced it. Maybe Moooi is selling it for that much? I see it on the t11 website for $19.95.

Adding shipping for the US makes it 25 and even more for international

[laitostarr777]

Personal opinion here, having worked in Film and TV for a long time I'm a fan of the Oscars and the Emmy's and since the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has a new museum, seems only fitting that a deck of cards would be a lovely little souvenir at the gift shop. Almost certainly the Academy would have approached t11 about this project the way they (and many other companies) approach other businesses who do things well to produce products for them. Having been to the museum a few times, this deck falls right in line with the overall aesthetic of the Academy, their history and how they've been curating the museum. So yeah, that's why I like this one.

Speaking of which, a little birdie told me that the Oscars Museum is selling deck of playing cards on their webstore. I took a quick glance and there it it, a few decks made by T11 - Star Wars, Batman. Sooner or later, we will be expecting THIS Oscar deck to be in their store

And on another note:
This year's Oscars is quite the shocking blast: the movie "EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE" won a lot of awards, 7 of them - including Michelle Yeow for Best Actress, Ke Huy Quan for Best Supporting Actor, Best Pictures, etc.
Brendan Fraser won the Oscar for his performance in "The Whale"

[Strag]

Seeing other playing card makers/designers talking down on them is quite hilarious, comes off as jealous and childish. I bet they'd change their tune if they were making anywhere near the amount of business they do on a consistent basis. I think they look pretty great, can't complain about another Kevin Cantrell design. People have been asking for different stuff from theory11 and yet they still find the tiniest crap to complain about lol

BTW, I saw only one single card maker/designer who even commented in this thread (see_squared), and they actually were quasi-defending the deck choice. So not really sure why you feel the need to attack those who are simply stating their opinon.

This forum makes me laugh sometimes. My apologies if my comment seemed insensitive...I was just trying to get to the point much quicker. But here's the long version...I was simply stating it would be an impossible (but impressive) task to narrow down a pool of thousands of Academy Award winners into 54 people/names/depictions/categories on cards (let alone 12 if you're just doing court cards).

Nope, wasn't insensitive, I got your point and no offense was taken. I was simply responding to antifaro.

[antifaro]

Seeing other playing card makers/designers talking down on them is quite hilarious, comes off as jealous and childish. I bet they'd change their tune if they were making anywhere near the amount of business they do on a consistent basis. I think they look pretty great, can't complain about another Kevin Cantrell design. People have been asking for different stuff from theory11 and yet they still find the tiniest crap to complain about lol

BTW, I saw only one single card maker/designer who even commented in this thread (see_squared), and they actually were quasi-defending the deck choice. So not really sure why you feel the need to attack those who are simply stating their opinon.

Wasn't referring to see_squared here, it was mainly to people in Instagram comments, reddit communities, and live talk shows in general. Just wanted to clear up that confusion there.

[PiazzaDelivery]

This is all really simple. t11 wants to feign support for their products. Positive comments! But it's hard to solely attract those in love with your stuff. Ok, restricted to 5 stars and positive words. But now it's purely marketing and less a "comment" section.

They've dressed it up like it allows anything to be posted, but I doubt that anyone who looks at those spots on their webpages with any measure of discernment is under the impression that what appears is uncontrolled. If you fall for that, well...welcome to 2023?

Is there something wrong with what t11 has done? Not at all, welcome to the world of business. Is there something wrong with choosing to ignore their products based on such practices? Not at all, everyone has their own criteria for how they vet those from who they buy.

[GandalfPC]

Honestly I think the smattering of five star reviews fits their overall image very well - it feels like who they are.

Won’t keep me from buying their cards - won’t cause me any dislike for them - won’t make me a fan, but did they really have a chance to look like Stockholm 17 in my eyes?

They look like big business - like retail goods meant to carpet the globe with a bicycle like brand thats more interesting and innovative - or just plain fancier - and I think the card world needs that

[Harvonsgard]

Haven't seen anything innovative from T11 for ages... The only thing that makes me have a little amount if respect left for them is that they didn't made diffraction foil Monarchs...

... yet.

[krystalie]

Can the Jokers be a diptych of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock?