The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell

[TheGentlemanWake]

when you going to one with Gio? lol

I'd love to collab with him. Although he may not like how I will push him to design something unique (even among examples of his own style!) You know I'm a fan of his!

[TheGentlemanWake]

And not to derail the convo regarding successor but the next deck is already being worked on! No idea when it will go but not until Successor is complete.

[hsbc]

look at someone like gio that doesnt do the whole hype, mid campaign launch model. his campaigns do just fine with 3 decks all up front.

Hmmmmm can't agree with this, Gio adds entire decks when the BackerKit survey comes out and that's the worst of all IMO

[Jykwei]

There will be a tier that includes all the decks save the Dynastinae Rex Prism. That one only comes in the box set.

You may be thinking... why can't I just print all the decks and sell the box set to the people who want it? Designing, Creating, and producing the box set has been an odyssey of time energy and effort. It's a labor of true love and vision of what I want the customer to experience. Part of that experience is the reward of knowing that if they are willing to buy the deluxe set they will have an exclusive deck that cannot be had in any other way.

Let's say I pledge for the box set. From there, how do I reach the goal of getting one of each deck variation?
Why not create a tier where the box set and all decks are available?
I am not saying I will definitely go for it, but if the option is available, it spares me the trouble scrolling through often-so-difficult-to-navigate KS page, reading and comparing items between tiers and trying to submit my pledge quickly when the flood gate opens - and it could make my decision making process much simpler. Thanks.

[TheGentlemanWake]

There will be a tier that includes all the decks save the Dynastinae Rex Prism. That one only comes in the box set.

You may be thinking... why can't I just print all the decks and sell the box set to the people who want it? Designing, Creating, and producing the box set has been an odyssey of time energy and effort. It's a labor of true love and vision of what I want the customer to experience. Part of that experience is the reward of knowing that if they are willing to buy the deluxe set they will have an exclusive deck that cannot be had in any other way.

Let's say I pledge for the box set. From there, how do I reach the goal of getting one of each deck variation?
Why not create a tier where the box set and all decks are available?
I am not saying I will definitely go for it, but if the option is available, it spares me the trouble scrolling through often-so-difficult-to-navigate KS page, reading and comparing items between tiers and trying to submit my pledge quickly when the flood gate opens - and it could make my decision making process much simpler. Thanks.

Sorry if I wasn't clear... the BOX SET otherwise known as the "Heir to Throne" Tier will include 1 of each deck plus anything else added during campaign.

[Jykwei]

There will be a tier that includes all the decks save the Dynastinae Rex Prism. That one only comes in the box set.

You may be thinking... why can't I just print all the decks and sell the box set to the people who want it? Designing, Creating, and producing the box set has been an odyssey of time energy and effort. It's a labor of true love and vision of what I want the customer to experience. Part of that experience is the reward of knowing that if they are willing to buy the deluxe set they will have an exclusive deck that cannot be had in any other way.

Let's say I pledge for the box set. From there, how do I reach the goal of getting one of each deck variation?
Why not create a tier where the box set and all decks are available?
I am not saying I will definitely go for it, but if the option is available, it spares me the trouble scrolling through often-so-difficult-to-navigate KS page, reading and comparing items between tiers and trying to submit my pledge quickly when the flood gate opens - and it could make my decision making process much simpler. Thanks.

Sorry if I wasn't clear... the BOX SET otherwise known as the "Heir to Throne" Tier will include 1 of each deck plus anything else added during campaign.

Excellent, thank you!

[Cardamon]

“and a casket you can also bury your mom in when its time“
That made me laugh a bit to much tbh. He does make a good point though. People here are first card collectors. The extras can be nice but also mostly useless fluff and a hurdle to get to certain decks.

[TheGentlemanWake]

“and a casket you can also bury your mom in when its time“
That made me laugh a bit to much tbh. He does make a good point though. People here are first card collectors. The extras can be nice but also mostly useless fluff and a hurdle to get to certain decks.

The only "FLUFF" is a wood and metal box that will probably weigh 5-6 lbs when finished. It's finished with a piano black lacquer finish overtop of gold foil ornamental inlays. The top was 6 months in the making. I search far and wide for the perfect sculptor to make Kevin Cantrells design a reality and manufacturers to cast the sculpt and plate it and box makers to make the box. It will worthy to be the centerpiece of anyone's card collection.

From Kevin's Design

[CourtCurator]

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. I love the idea of an over the top highly collectible presentation box.

[PiazzaDelivery]

And not to derail the convo regarding successor but the next deck is already being worked on! No idea when it will go but not until Successor is complete.
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awwwwww sheeeee

he got srdjan. I'm in.

[Harvonsgard]

... if it was offered up front you would just have higher sales at the start.

That's what I doubt. I'd say people spend more than they plan when being forced to adjust their pledge opposed to when they can choose between everything from the start.
You are more likely to adjust from $150 to $180 to $200 than spending $200 from the get-go. If you pledge for $150 you already feel invested. Adjusting to $180 does make you think it's just thirty more, no big deal. Then, it's just $20 more, no big deal and so on and on.

I do think that scarcity -- be it 'artificial' or created or not -- does increase desirability. It's why Bitcoin is at an all time high right now. There's a finite number available and they won't be made again. I think collectors in general are the type of people who value and take pride in pieces that are hard to come by or unique in that way.

Err... bitcoin is on an all time high because Let's go Brandon gently (or not so gently) f**ks your economy by running the presses hot.
I think you're spot on with a describing a certain kind of collector. A type of collector I personally wouldn't take pride in supporting though. Do you wanna people appreciate your work/art? Or simply the smoke and mirrors? The hype? The scarcity? The investment?

[laitostarr777]

when you going to one with Gio? lol

I'd love to collab with him. Although he may not like how I will push him to design something unique (even among examples of his own style!) You know I'm a fan of his!

Then you should collab with him! He is very good at telling stories, and as well, each editions are guaranteed different in any ways (my wallet gotta kill me for this suggestion)

[brownsl]

... if it was offered up front you would just have higher sales at the start.

That's what I doubt. I'd say people spend more than they plan when being forced to adjust their pledge opposed to when they can choose between everything from the start.
You are more likely to adjust from $150 to $180 to $200 than spending $200 from the get-go. If you pledge for $150 you already feel invested. Adjusting to $180 does make you think it's just thirty more, no big deal. Then, it's just $20 more, no big deal and so on and on.

This is exactly me.

[Harvonsgard]

Not just you. The vast mayority of people - me included; that's how we are wired as humans. That's why I think it is very important to know these mechanisms of marketing/business that take advantage of how we operate.

[sms69x]

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set...

Man that made me laugh pretty hard (I know this was already disclosed but I kinda forgot about it)... Not sure if thats the type of reaction you're expecting for your project, but that's about everything I fell for the project, kinda like a joke...

About the scarcity, I never got that, most if not all KS projects I backed are limited, being to 100 or 10,000, so setting low number from the get going always annoys me, and most of the times leads me to not even bother in backing the project, as it will be a stressful time to try to get a limited deck, just to find out the it was sold out before I could even reload the KS page...

Take, for example, Vivid Kingdoms, that will most likely be a 50.000 limited deck, and I'm more than happy for that, not only I managed to get one for myself, I even could do that without stressing a bit... Oh, and it being a 50k or 100K production run will not affect a cent on the deck's value, and that's what you should strive for, producing something that is desired without needing to use gimmicks to spark the interest in your product (and force people to get what they don't need just to have a chance in getting what they want).

[Bikefanatic]

Display the 6 decks from jump so people can think of how to approach the campaign. Hopefully we could get whatever deck(s) we want without buying other decks.

[Cardamon]

The only "FLUFF" is a wood and metal box that will probably weigh 5-6 lbs when finished. It's finished with a piano black lacquer finish overtop of gold foil ornamental inlays. The top was 6 months in the making. I search far and wide for the perfect sculptor to make Kevin Cantrells design a reality and manufacturers to cast the sculpt and plate it and box makers to make the box. It will worthy to be the centerpiece of anyone's card collection.

From Kevin's Design

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My apologies if it came of as me slamming the box. that was not my intention. The quote did make me laugh though.
With fluff I mean the likes of 5 coins 1 per deck a set of dice per deck and so on untill it’s almost all extras and not at all about the cards anymore. And then being forced to buy it all to get an exclusive deck.
This is not the case here. And yes an extremely ornate designed box could become a centerpiece for sure.
It might not be everyone’s cup of yea though.
Just hard for completionists. That want all decks but no extras I guess.

[Entaro]

Only thing worth remembering imo is that you can't make everyone happy and you'll drive yourself nuts trying

[STLBluesNut]

That's what I doubt. I'd say people spend more than they plan when being forced to adjust their pledge opposed to when they can choose between everything from the start.
You are more likely to adjust from $150 to $180 to $200 than spending $200 from the get-go. If you pledge for $150 you already feel invested. Adjusting to $180 does make you think it's just thirty more, no big deal. Then, it's just $20 more, no big deal and so on and on.


Err... bitcoin is on an all time high because Let's go Brandon gently (or not so gently) f**ks your economy by running the presses hot.
I think you're spot on with a describing a certain kind of collector. A type of collector I personally wouldn't take pride in supporting though. Do you wanna people appreciate your work/art? Or simply the smoke and mirrors? The hype? The scarcity? The investment?

#1 how do you do this multi quote? id like to respond to many this morning without making 5 posts lol.

you have a point. as much as i want to say it will be the same amount sold wither way, it probably wouldn't. i don't think the gap would be very large though. while this method of selling may make more money, it feels a bit more shady to do it this way.

it seems more an more go for ''the smoke and mirrors? The hype? The scarcity? The investment?'' why? because of your first point. it sells more and that is the bottom line goal. easily illustrated by all the shit hype brands (fontaine, NOC, anyone) that sell out even though there is absolutely no design behind a colored rectangle with a couple bits and bobs pasted on, if they even bother to do than (NOC). unfortunately the way it is.

[STLBluesNut]

Sorry if I wasn't clear... the BOX SET otherwise known as the "Heir to Throne" Tier will include 1 of each deck plus anything else added during campaign.

this is very unfortunate to read. you can only get the one of the decks by buying everything in the campaign. there have been several campaigns that lock decks behind buying other decks but, off hand, i cannot think of one that locks decks behind buying other non deck items. this goes even further from your description of having to buy everything added during the campaign. one of the things being a box that is likely to cost upwards of $100+ alone. even if it were half that, it is too much to require, imo.

at least Odd Fellows has a tier to easily, in one pledge, buy everything but there isn't a deck locked to it. so the highest tier you CAN get everything but its not REQUIRED.

[STLBluesNut]

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. I love the idea of an over the top highly collectible presentation box.

the idea of having an excellent box like this AVAILABLE to those who would like to spend the money on it is great. the idea of being REQUIRED to buy it in order to get one of the decks in the set is not.

[STLBluesNut]

Display the 6 decks from jump so people can think of how to approach the campaign. Hopefully we could get whatever deck(s) we want without buying other decks.

looks like you are out of luck here. not only will you have to buy all of the decks to get one edition but you will also have to buy a likely expensive box and everything else in the campaign. i do appreciate that TGW says he will show all of the decks that will be available up front though. especially since there will be 6 of them. too many IMO, especially if the courts are all the same or only 2 or 3 versions for 6 decks, but at least he is being honest with it instead of springing it later.

[STLBluesNut]

With fluff I mean the likes of 5 coins 1 per deck a set of dice per deck and so on untill it’s almost all extras and not at all about the cards anymore. And then being forced to buy it all to get an exclusive deck.
This is not the case here. And yes an extremely ornate designed box could become a centerpiece for sure.
It might not be everyone’s cup of yea though.
Just hard for completionists. That want all decks but no extras I guess.

what do you mean not the case here? that is exactly the case here. you will have to get the highest tier, which included everything in the campaign, to get the dynastinae rex deck.

TGW, it typing all of these responses this morning and thinking about this box, which i agree looks like it will be amazing, could there at least be a separate tier that has just the box and all the decks? i do not need a brick of decks or an uncut sheet. good for the people that like uncut sheets for them to be available but, for me, is the worst add on ever. 4x the price of the deck with no tuck and it goes through even less production processes. ridiculous.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Sorry I wasn’t clear. What I meant is that the Heir to the throne tier will include all extras AT NO COST. In fact the decks will be somewhat discounted. The price will be in the $400-500 range. Because, believe it or not, a metal cast piano lacquer box is expensive to produce and ship. So the price is reflective of that and the three “special” editions. The white regal edition with its sculptural metal cast back plate on the tuck. The Dynastinae Rex and the Dynastinae Rex prism which will be unique designs and tucks printed in small quantities with a large printer (cartamundi decks are cheaper in large quantity) and with all the extras cold foil, gilding etc.

[Cardamon]

#1 how do you do this multi quote? id like to respond to many this morning without making 5 posts lol.

One way is to quote someone copy paste into a word file or similar go back and quote another. So on and so forth till you get who you want to respond to.
And of course delete the parts you don’t need because otherwise it becomes a huge wall o text
Dunno if there is a quicker way.

what do you mean not the case here? that is exactly the case here. you will have to get the highest tier, which included everything in the campaign, to get the dynastinae rex deck.

TGW, it typing all of these responses this morning and thinking about this box, which i agree looks like it will be amazing, could there at least be a separate tier that has just the box and all the decks? i do not need a brick of decks or an uncut sheet. good for the people that like uncut sheets for them to be available but, for me, is the worst add on ever. 4x the price of the deck with no tuck and it goes through even less production processes. ridiculous.

I was under the impression that to obtain all decks and no other extras you would just get that box.
Seems I misread even though all other extra’s will be “free” so technically might still count

[balrog326]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned but is there an estimated release date for this project? I know its only after Tempest has been fulfilled but since this metal box tier is so darn expensive I gotta plan my finances carefully. Thanks in advance to whomever has the answer

[STLBluesNut]

I was under the impression that to obtain all decks and no other extras you would just get that box.
Seems I misread even though all other extra’s will be “free” so technically might still count

''will include 1 of each deck plus anything else added during campaign''

i suppose it could be read as the box, 6 decks and ''free'' things added to all backers by stretch goals. i kind of take it as everything in the campaign. uncuts, coins, etc that are normally paid add ons or that you would have to pay for in any other tier. your case is better but still disappointing.

[steampunk52]

I feel like what some are expressing is what KS campaigns look like for the 'mature' collector. Meaning, one who has collected for a while (or quickly) and now has a ton of decks, brick boxes, coins, etc. I know for me, I am now at the point where I am looking to unload a bunch of stuff because it's all become a bit too much and I am realizing I need to be more selective.

For the 'mature' (or those that went overboard in the past..lol) collector, I can see how it begins to become frustrating when, in order to get the item one would like, one must amassing yet more stuff that you have to find space for. Perhaps more cards than you would like, or coins, etc. I understand what Omar is aspiring to do and it is challenging needle to thread. I think what I have seen of Successor looks awesome thus far, but I can see STLBluesNut's point and beginning to relate a bit. KS campaigns don't exist in a vacuum and on the whole, I think current trends may be starting to wear 'mature' collectors down. Finding a way to get out on front of that may be a win for everyone.

[STLBluesNut]

Sorry I wasn’t clear. What I meant is that the Heir to the throne tier will include all extras AT NO COST. In fact the decks will be somewhat discounted. The price will be in the $400-500 range. Because, believe it or not, a metal cast piano lacquer box is expensive to produce and ship. So the price is reflective of that and the three “special” editions. The white regal edition with its sculptural metal cast back plate on the tuck. The Dynastinae Rex and the Dynastinae Rex prism which will be unique designs and tucks printed in small quantities with a large printer (cartamundi decks are cheaper in large quantity) and with all the extras cold foil, gilding etc.

yeah..... thats a no go at 4 to 5 bills for me dawg. but only the rex prism will be locked to this tier? im sure they will all sell though, so designers will just be encouraged to keep doing this.

[TheGentlemanWake]

The launch window is probably feb 1st to March 1st 2022.