The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell

[PiazzaDelivery]

I'm cool with progressive reveals via stretch goals, but I'm with many of my comrades above, in that the time-sensitive limited editions late in the campaign are just annoying.

This may be a dumb question, but why does degrading interest matter at all? If all info is released at the start, I figure everyone will pledge for what they want, job done. With stretch reveals, I figure that people get what they want at the beginning, then progressively add what they want as the campaign moves along. Either way, I figure you end with the same result. Is that not how it works? Does engagement push a campaign to the top of Kickstarter search results or something? idk how this stuff works.

[laitostarr777]

As of me, and as well as observing some of the people here, I don’t mind if it’s “show everything” campaign. That way, people can decide which they want to add, and which they can simply pass by - possibly as well that they can plan ahead as in: backing other projects as well. There are a few campaigns with that method and it still works for them. The stretch goals can be various knick knacks, like coins, stickers, etc. or perhaps, to spice the card features.

[STLBluesNut]

One of the stalwarts of KS campaigns is the mid campaign reveals... With successor the plan had been to simply reveal everything from the start rather than have stretch reveals but I worry that it will degrade interest in the campaign as it continues forward. What does everyone opine on this?

well if you look at the ink beast and odd fellows threads, i have recently opined on this, here and other places, a lot lately. ''One of the stalwarts of KS campaigns is the mid campaign reveals'' is very irritating to me. show us what will be available from the get go. at least if it has to be a stretch goal, lock it and let us know what we are potentially going to spend. these mid campaign releases are becoming a plague. do you really think someone who likes and purchases the deck mid campaign wouldn't if it was offered at the beginning? all you are doing in making someone come back and adjust their pledge, which as of late has been very problematic on several campaigns. sure you may see a sales boost mid campaign so it looks neat on a graph but if it was offered up front you would just have higher sales at the start. having to set timers and calendar reminders to return to a campaign to get these drops is just annoying especially when it is not in your timezone. luckily, i live in the US. i cannot imagine how pissed i would be to have to wake up at 4am for me to give you money when you say i can.

from ink beast thread:

what if you went to dinner and ordered a steak and every 5 minutes the waiter came out with music and lights, dancing offering up some new side that the chef just thought of or enough people bought the steak so now you can add grilled onions for just $1.50. oh wait! there's more! the bartender just made a pitcher of a really fancy drink! enough for 5 people, super limited so if you hurry up and order you can get one! right before you pay, the lights go dim. there is a drum roll and the hissing of a fog machine. out of the fog saunters a woman with a box. she gets real close. whispers in your ear... letting you know... they have just collabed with Krispy Kreme next door and you can add a dozen steak shaped donuts to your order!!!!!! you would be annoyed af if this happened and probably never go back.

from odd fellows thread:

just tired of mid campaign decks and having to adjust the amount i thought i was spending initially. show us all the deck releases upfront even if they are a locked stretch goal please. we are buying a product. we dont need the campaign to be some kind of experience or event. show us what there is to pledge for and let us pledge. your designs speak for themselves there is no need for all of this added fanfare.

so in a nut shell, stop the mid campaign nonsense. we need to un-stalwart this trend.

[Entaro]

what if you went to dinner and ordered a steak and every 5 minutes the waiter came out with music and lights, dancing offering up some new side that the chef just thought of or enough people bought the steak so now you can add grilled onions for just $1.50. oh wait! there's more! the bartender just made a pitcher of a really fancy drink! enough for 5 people, super limited so if you hurry up and order you can get one! right before you pay, the lights go dim. there is a drum roll and the hissing of a fog machine. out of the fog saunters a woman with a box. she gets real close. whispers in your ear... letting you know... they have just collabed with Krispy Kreme next door and you can add a dozen steak shaped donuts to your order!!!!!!

Not gonna lie I'd totally go to this restaurant

[wingedpotato]

One of the stalwarts of KS campaigns is the mid campaign reveals... With successor the plan had been to simply reveal everything from the start rather than have stretch reveals but I worry that it will degrade interest in the campaign as it continues forward. What does everyone opine on this?

well if you look at the ink beast and odd fellows threads, i have recently opined on this, here and other places, a lot lately. ''One of the stalwarts of KS campaigns is the mid campaign reveals'' is very irritating to me. show us what will be available from the get go. at least if it has to be a stretch goal, lock it and let us know what we are potentially going to spend. these mid campaign releases are becoming a plague. do you really think someone who likes and purchases the deck mid campaign wouldn't if it was offered at the beginning? all you are doing in making someone come back and adjust their pledge, which as of late has been very problematic on several campaigns. sure you may see a sales boost mid campaign so it looks neat on a graph but if it was offered up front you would just have higher sales at the start. having to set timers and calendar reminders to return to a campaign to get these drops is just annoying especially when it is not in your timezone. luckily, i live in the US. i cannot imagine how pissed i would be to have to wake up at 4am for me to give you money when you say i can.

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so in a nut shell, stop the mid campaign nonsense. we need to un-stalwart this trend.

+1000000000

[steampunk52]

Please dont do what NOC/Riffle shuffle did on thier recent campaign. Yeesh....the comment thread is kinda sad. All those supporters trying to land a deck that want. Pick up aqua. Oh wait now there is a guided version, let me pick that up and drop the standard. Oh, now there is rose gold. Over budget, let me drop the brick, pick up a half brick and add on aqua and rose gold. Oh snap! Now there is a guilded rose gold.....

On here, several noted they dropped the campaign (including me). I noticed they lost supporters at the wire. While successful, they went from ~$288k on 2,038 backers for v1 to $271k on 1,479 backers (and more deck variations). While, there are likely many reasons for fewer backers, I cant help but think they overdid the hype and there was a backlash. The print runs are quite large for the standard editions, and with so many variations (even for the guilded), thats a lot of product chasing a fix quantity of money - which think will lead to lower aftermarket value than many backers hope. It's likely a fair amount of the backer support is rooted hope of future value, so if that value isn't realized, I can't help but think they have poisoned the well if there is a v3 or similar planned.

Personally, I thought the last TGW was a fun campaign. I also enjoyed Eye of the Ocean and the current Odd Fellows. The last NOC, yuck. While they have/had add-ons, it wasn't to a ridiculous level and some were pleasant surprises available to everyone.

[TheGentlemanWake]

I appreciate all the replies! Seems like the consensus thus far is to show everything up front. If you still have yet to chime in, please do so! More opinions the better! Honestly I was leaning towards doing it that way, but there's always a bit of trepidation to do things differently then how it's been successful in the past. The one aspect about keeping folks buzzing throughout the campaign is a psychological one. Obviously as a Campaign organizer you want folks to maximize their pledges with you. It can sometimes take a few weeks (realistically) to ingratiate the project to a customer. Maybe they see it on day 3. Think "cool. but too expensive to go all in. Maybe I'll put in $100." then three weeks later as the campaign is closing after a bunch of updates they get excited and decide "you know what, let me put in another $100" or whatever. I don't know how common that is really. I'm only mulling it over.

The other thing is the starting funding number. The more shown up front. The higher the goal is. The Kickstarter algorithm is such that it rewards campaigns with high percentage funded totals with more exposure. So if you set a $20k goal and it funds %500 to 100k it will get more clicks than a $50k goal that gets to the same 100k but seems less successful doing it with only funding %200 vs. %500. So this leads to modest funding totals in general. This happens across the board on KS. BUt it would be exaggerated and a little riskier on a project like successor (which will be expensive to produce). It's tricky. I suppose stretch goals can remain in place and I can still show everything. Folks in the 'Heir to the throne' tier will be pledging on the hope that things will unlock. But I suppose the Complete Tempest tier was the same thing except they didnt even know what they were pledging for.

Anyway, here's an awesome picture of a couple of the zinc alloy cast gold-finish plated sculptures that will feature on the lids of the Successor Sarcophagus.

[STLBluesNut]

those plates definitely look snazzy!

Serious question, because i am curious and i really do not know how all the logistics and backend stuff works. How many people actually pledge into a playing card campaign that just happen to stumble into it because of some algorithm? i would be curious to know how many folks are buying playing cards that are not already collectors on KS already looking specifically for playing cards.

[CourtCurator]

Looks like I am in a small minority in that I like the reveals. If you are going to offer everything up front, and the supply of the high end items are limited, I think it makes sense to do a staged release. Otherwise people who find the campaign later will be left out and may not even bother pledging at all. I’m thinking something like 1/2 of any limited items available at launch (possibly with an EB discount), 1/4 released at an established time/date mid campaign, and the final 1/4 released near the end of the campaign. Might help to alter the release times to make it easier for backers in different time zones to pledge for what they want. This way you will draw interest from new backers or those who initially miss out.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Looks like I am in a small minority in that I like the reveals. If you are going to offer everything up front, and the supply of the high end items are limited, I think it makes sense to do a staged release. Otherwise people who find the campaign later will be left out and may not even bother pledging at all. I’m thinking something like 1/2 of any limited items available at launch (possibly with an EB discount), 1/4 released at an established time/date mid campaign, and the final 1/4 released near the end of the campaign. Might help to alter the release times to make it easier for backers in different time zones to pledge for what they want. This way you will draw interest from new backers or those who initially miss out.

That's an interesting idea. ALthough with Tempest we had 200 Complete Tempest tiers that sold out rather quickly. This time the similarly priced ( haven't figured out pricing yet) Heir to the Throne tier will have more offerings. I think the number I'm going for is 400. It will include the deluxe sarcophagus which holds one of each of the 6 decks on offer. INcluding the limited to the tier Dynastinae Rex Prism edition. All of the decks will be printed by Cartamundi but I'm pulling no punches with regards to quality and bells and whistles. The Dynastinae and Prism will not only have unique boxes but include unique back designs (as previously shown) and both decks will be gilded. The Dynastinae in gold (as is tradition with the Green) and the Prism in holo gilding. The prism will feature HOlo foil as well. The white Regal edition (standard back design) will include gilding as well and a tuck box with a gold-tone finish metal plate relief sculpture affixed to a sleeve on the tuck. Similar to this!

The other 4 decks are the Red, Blue standard editions (metallic ink), and the black and gold with cold foil on backs and faces.

[CourtCurator]

That's an interesting idea. ALthough with Tempest we had 200 Complete Tempest tiers that sold out rather quickly. This time the similarly priced ( haven't figured out pricing yet) Heir to the Throne tier will have more offerings. I think the number I'm going for is 400. It will include the deluxe sarcophagus which holds one of each of the 6 decks on offer. INcluding the limited to the tier Dynastinae Rex Prism edition. All of the decks will be printed by Cartamundi but I'm pulling no punches with regards to quality and bells and whistles. The Dynastinae and Prism will not only have unique boxes but include unique back designs (as previously shown) and both decks will be gilded. The Dynastinae in gold (as is tradition with the Green) and the Prism in holo gilding. The prism will feature HOlo foil as well. The white Regal edition (standard back design) will include gilding as well and a tuck box with a gold-tone finish metal plate relief sculpture affixed to a sleeve on the tuck.

The other 4 decks are the Red, Blue standard editions (metallic ink), and the black and gold with cold foil on backs and faces.

Cool, thanks for sharing. This looks like it’s going to be another incredible campaign!

If you offer all 400 of the Heir to the Throne tier up front, it will almost certainly sell out very quickly, and the remainder of the campaign will lose a lot of its luster. Using a staged release, you will almost certainly still sell out, but you can use the forthcoming releases to build anticipation (and increase your backer base). You could launch the campaign with some basic information about all rewards and pricing, which will satisfy those who want to know what is available up front and allow them to pledge for what they want. As the campaign progresses, you could reveal more details using beautiful editorial shots of the coveted rewards, which will progressively increase demand and drive backer excitement throughout the campaign. With three chances at the top tier, there will also be less room for complaints about missing out for whatever reason. You get the best of both worlds. Anticipation and excitement that drives more demand, paired with some upfront knowledge of what to expect as far as both products and pricing.

[CourtCurator]

Also, I think it would be a cool idea to release a very select number of the deck(s) that are otherwise only available in the top tier. This could either be done as an add-on in the final 24 hours of the campaign, or as a random give-away included in any non-top tier reward (or maybe some of each method). Giving every backer some type of opportunity to add the crown jewel of the campaign without a massive pledge that includes other items just feels good. And if it is made clear upfront, it will in no way degrade the value of the top tier rewards.

[TheGentlemanWake]

All good suggestions. Will take them into consideration.

Currenly trying to figure out what the Regal edition relief plate will look like. I have some samples from the factory. love the gold tone of the one on the right and it matched the gold on the deck. But love the contrast on the others. Currently asking the factory if they can wash the gold plated with the black wash.

[CourtCurator]

I agree, the gold with an antique wash would look really nice! That might look good on the sarcophagus as well. The silver looks nice too; silver and gold together matches well with the theme. The shiny gold washes out the beautiful detail too much IMHO.

[steampunk52]

I agree, the gold with an antique wash would look really nice! That might look good on the sarcophagus as well. The silver looks nice too; silver and gold together matches well with the theme. The shiny gold washes out the beautiful detail too much IMHO.

+1

[Bikefanatic]

Lay all of your cards on the table (literally and figuratively). Show everything at the beginning of the campaign.

[STLBluesNut]

Also, I think it would be a cool idea to release a very select number of the deck(s) that are otherwise only available in the top tier. This could either be done as an add-on in the final 24 hours of the campaign, or as a random give-away included in any non-top tier reward (or maybe some of each method). Giving every backer some type of opportunity to add the crown jewel of the campaign without a massive pledge that includes other items just feels good. And if it is made clear upfront, it will in no way degrade the value of the top tier rewards.

along with just about everything you said in your other posts, i do not agree with this at all. this is exactly what, i feel most, people do not want. this is a kickstarter campaign with nothing made yet. stop making items with artificial rarity and releasing the in some timed limited manner that just causes frustration. there is no need to have to keep checking in and waiting to see what is next or when i can give the creator my money next on some shit schedule. make the decks available to everyone and then you place your order for the correct quantities. what sense does it make to make 100 decks that 500 people want? you just piss of 400 people that didn't have the ability to sit at their computer or on their phone at a specific time because they have these things called jobs or lives. you sell 400 more decks and make more money, to put it quite bluntly, f#$% the scalpers and resellers who use this artificially created rarity to gouge the secondary market. they buy up chunks of the ''limited'' stuff, making it hard if not impossible for the collectors to get only to resell it at a significantly higher price which the creator gets none of.

we collect cards and we want the ABILITY to buy them not the OPPORTUNITY to sit there and hit refresh and click buttons as fast as possible in the hopes of getting what we like. your kickstarter campaign is selling your product, not a GD lottery. if you are going to be ridiculous and make your campaign 6 decks to begin with, make it so anyone who wants them can get all 6 and not screw over a portion of the people that are making you money that can get only 4 of the 6. this is the exact kind of shit discussed above why the NOC campaign had hundreds of people drop for over $10k in the end. i already have hundreds of decks and don't need the aggravation of a campaign because some people out there have this need to feel special or superior to get one out of 150 decks instead of just buying the deck because they like it.

read up above, clearly many people feel these mid campaign releases, staged or unstaged, stretch goal or not stretch goal, whatever you want to label it as is just irritating and frustrating and unnecessary. if you are coming into a campaign on day 25, what difference does it make if everything was shown and released day one or on day 5 and 10 and 15 and 20? all the creator did was make people adjust and reorder their pledge 4 times. the only argument that you sort of had was limited items, answer= stop this craze with limited items by not making limited items. you aren't going to be putting your kids through college by selling your playing card collection (well most couldn't unless you are the above mentioned scalpers resellers). stop turning a hobby for everyone into the wolves of wall street. AND/OR be there in the first couple of days or week.

at this point, shame on any creator that desires to have a huge campaign of 1000 plus to make decks in the hundreds. your last campaigns were 1600+ and 1200+. if you have plans on offering any of the upcoming decks in quantities of less than 1000+ then just shame on you. leaving supporting backers out in the cold due to artificial supply and demand and regulated drop times is just disrespectful imo.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Interesting perspective. Again I'm open to a lot of rethinking on how things are done. I do think that scarcity -- be it 'artificial' or created or not -- does increase desirability. It's why Bitcoin is at an all time high right now. There's a finite number available and they won't be made again. I think collectors in general are the type of people who value and take pride in pieces that are hard to come by or unique in that way. Now, there may be an argument for a timed release window. Perhaps the KS campaign at 30 days is enough of a limitation. I do think it's a 'good look' to be sold out of the highest tier of pledge. It promotes confidence in the brand. Look at the end of the day you can call the folks at Louis Vuitton or Supreme or Rolex elitist assholes who over price their items in an effort to artificially limit the amount of product out there--because human nature is such that you want what you can't have.

The one issue Successor faces is that funding a campaign with the items I am planning on making means setting some boundaries on manufacturing. These deluxe boxes are not cheap to cast/make/ship. So a limitation of 400 makes the project manageable. Not that selling 3400 wouldn't be a great problem to have--but it would be a problem. lol.

I think bud there is one thing you are overlooking... and collectors/consumers/fans/backers will always look at it your way... but those exorbitant prices on the secondary market for old releases--even though they translate in no monetary or financial benefit to the original project creator--genuinely produce more desire, anticipation and in turn revenue on future projects. Nothing creates fervor like it. In fact you can argue that your entire post is a direct response to the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. Frustration? Desperation? FOMO? It sounds counterproductive but it sells products.

As it is, i'm not sure what format I'm going to release things on this next campaign. But some items will be limited release. I am upping the totals of those items to account for new backers and to satiate a bit of those who felt left out on Tempest however.

[Strag]

I don't mind a staggered release that takes us on a journey, some projects do this incredibly well. Just make sure you are clear in your title updates around what is going on.

Scarcity is a tough one, I think limiting it to one per account and KS only is fair enough, although there are people who will multi account and it's not against the rules.

I am against a dozen decks with constant releases on a blah campaign and those definitely chase me away. I unbacked from a few projects for this reason.

[masagin303]

I would definitely prefer all tiers revealed beforehand so that I can decide about my support even before the campaign and on the day one just choose my tier and let go.

[hsbc]

I really hate it when creators keep adding stuff and I end up increasing my pledge... it would be much more convenient to know how much I'll be spending from the start. And I think I'm in the minority here but I also hate that the larger tiers guaranteeing everything always come with a brick - I don't want a brick, all I want is one of each

[TheGentlemanWake]

I really hate it when creators keep adding stuff and I end up increasing my pledge... it would be much more convenient to know how much I'll be spending from the start. And I think I'm in the minority here but I also hate that the larger tiers guaranteeing everything always come with a brick - I don't want a brick, all I want is one of each

Isn't the brick box 'one of each'?

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set. Although I may include additional 'to open' copies of the standard non-limited releases. Still early though and I haven't finalized tiers. The big draw for the all-in tier will be two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid (as you've seen) and the Dynastinae REX Prism deck with the holo cold foil and holo gilding.

[wingedpotato]

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set...The big draw for the all-in tier will be two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid (as you've seen) and the Dynastinae REX Prism deck with the holo cold foil and holo gilding.

Well, I know how I'm wired: every one of the above bolded words turn me off.

[hsbc]

Isn't the brick box 'one of each'?

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set. Although I may include additional 'to open' copies of the standard non-limited releases. Still early though and I haven't finalized tiers. The big draw for the all-in tier will be two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid (as you've seen) and the Dynastinae REX Prism deck with the holo cold foil and holo gilding.

A brick box is 12 of each

Even two of each deck is twice as much as I want - and all of my decks are my "to open" copies

[STLBluesNut]

(1) I do think that scarcity -- be it 'artificial' or created or not -- does increase desirability. There's a finite number available and they won't be made again. I think collectors in general are the type of people who value and take pride in pieces that are hard to come by or unique in that way.

(2)The one issue Successor faces is that funding a campaign with the items I am planning on making means setting some boundaries on manufacturing. These deluxe boxes are not cheap to cast/make/ship. So a limitation of 400 makes the project manageable. Not that selling 3400 wouldn't be a great problem to have--but it would be a problem. lol.

(3)I think bud there is one thing you are overlooking... and collectors/consumers/fans/backers will always look at it your way... but those exorbitant prices on the secondary market for old releases--even though they translate in no monetary or financial benefit to the original project creator--genuinely produce more desire, anticipation and in turn revenue on future projects. Nothing creates fervor like it. In fact you can argue that your entire post is a direct response to the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. Frustration? Desperation? FOMO? It sounds counterproductive but it sells products.

1. scarcity does for some increase desirability, i certainly cannot disagree. however, i also don't think that number has to be so small. as someone else said, one for each backer is fine. future collectors will still see it as hard to get but you aren't screwing over the people that are already paying for your campaign.

2. this is why i tried to limit what i was saying do decks of cards. as card collectors that is the main thing we are there for and some also like those other items. i in no way mean that you should have 3400 ebony wood, gold plated, 3 pound casting covered collectors boxes on the ready.

3. so if the hype you are trying to build by making it a purposefully limited supply is to increase future sales, why not just increase future sales by actually selling more? i would argue that actually selling more accomplishes the same goal without pissing off a segment of your consumer base. yes my whole post was directed by the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. you know what those feelings also do? stop me from buying products from creators/companies/brands that make me FEEL irritated, frustrated and pissed off. there are only so many times someone is going to get shafted by only being able to buy 4 out of 6, for this example, in a set and still buy your product at all. oh well, you build up enough hype to get enough new customers to cancel out the loss from old ones? (not saying you in particular are purposely doing this) i think that is a pretty disrespectful way to treat a consumer base that was there from the beginning.

the ONLY brick i have EVER bought was The Parlour. plus add ons during the campaign. i was caught up in the hype because i love your videos and your ''brand". hundreds of dollars. after that campaign and others like it, and this on the tempest "Some other yet-to-be-unlocked stretch goals may contain some limited items. These items will have a specific count (i.e. 1000 or 777 etc.). These items will only be made available as part of new tiers. Backers wanting to add these new rare and limited items will need to move into the newly available limited tiers.", you want to know how much i spent on your second campaign? a $49 trio. why? because it is all too much. I'm not going to sit there and babysit a campaign again. I'm not going to keep switching tiers or adding add ons. if all of those decks were available at the beginning i would have bought them all.

but hey, you got some hype, you sold out of your artificially limited decks. you got to bump up resale value for the aftermarket. you'll likely get to sell all of your limited items again. so its all good right? so i guess we will see how this campaign goes. what and if ill pledge for anything. at the end of the day, these are all my opinions, which it seems many may agree on. its your call ultimately. do you do what you can to please current and former backers who are true collectors or do what you need to do to build hype by limiting decks to build up aftermarket value knowing that some of your backers wont be able to get =some of your decks. it sounds like you are tryin to mitigate some of that which is good. some just dgaf.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set...The big draw for the all-in tier will be two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid (as you've seen) and the Dynastinae REX Prism deck with the holo cold foil and holo gilding.

Well, I know how I'm wired: every one of the above bolded words turn me off.

3 campaigns in... you know how i'm wired!

[TheGentlemanWake]

(1) I do think that scarcity -- be it 'artificial' or created or not -- does increase desirability. There's a finite number available and they won't be made again. I think collectors in general are the type of people who value and take pride in pieces that are hard to come by or unique in that way.

(2)The one issue Successor faces is that funding a campaign with the items I am planning on making means setting some boundaries on manufacturing. These deluxe boxes are not cheap to cast/make/ship. So a limitation of 400 makes the project manageable. Not that selling 3400 wouldn't be a great problem to have--but it would be a problem. lol.

(3)I think bud there is one thing you are overlooking... and collectors/consumers/fans/backers will always look at it your way... but those exorbitant prices on the secondary market for old releases--even though they translate in no monetary or financial benefit to the original project creator--genuinely produce more desire, anticipation and in turn revenue on future projects. Nothing creates fervor like it. In fact you can argue that your entire post is a direct response to the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. Frustration? Desperation? FOMO? It sounds counterproductive but it sells products.

1. scarcity does for some increase desirability, i certainly cannot disagree. however, i also don't think that number has to be so small. as someone else said, one for each backer is fine. future collectors will still see it as hard to get but you aren't screwing over the people that are already paying for your campaign.

2. this is why i tried to limit what i was saying do decks of cards. as card collectors that is the main thing we are there for and some also like those other items. i in no way mean that you should have 3400 ebony wood, gold plated, 3 pound casting covered collectors boxes on the ready.

3. so if the hype you are trying to build by making it a purposefully limited supply is to increase future sales, why not just increase future sales by actually selling more? i would argue that actually selling more accomplishes the same goal without pissing off a segment of your consumer base. yes my whole post was directed by the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. you know what those feelings also do? stop me from buying products from creators/companies/brands that make me FEEL irritated, frustrated and pissed off. there are only so many times someone is going to get shafted by only being able to buy 4 out of 6, for this example, in a set and still buy your product at all. oh well, you build up enough hype to get enough new customers to cancel out the loss from old ones? (not saying you in particular are purposely doing this) i think that is a pretty disrespectful way to treat a consumer base that was there from the beginning.

the ONLY brick i have EVER bought was The Parlour. plus add ons during the campaign. i was caught up in the hype because i love your videos and your ''brand". hundreds of dollars. after that campaign and others like it, and this on the tempest "Some other yet-to-be-unlocked stretch goals may contain some limited items. These items will have a specific count (i.e. 1000 or 777 etc.). These items will only be made available as part of new tiers. Backers wanting to add these new rare and limited items will need to move into the newly available limited tiers.", you want to know how much i spent on your second campaign? a $49 trio. why? because it is all too much. I'm not going to sit there and babysit a campaign again. I'm not going to keep switching tiers or adding add ons. if all of those decks were available at the beginning i would have bought them all.

but hey, you got some hype, you sold out of your artificially limited decks. you got to bump up resale value for the aftermarket. you'll likely get to sell all of your limited items again. so its all good right? so i guess we will see how this campaign goes. what and if ill pledge for anything. at the end of the day, these are all my opinions, which it seems many may agree on. its your call ultimately. do you do what you can to please current and former backers who are true collectors or do what you need to do to build hype by limiting decks to build up aftermarket value knowing that some of your backers wont be able to get =some of your decks. it sounds like you are tryin to mitigate some of that which is good. some just dgaf.

I really appreciate the input. Helps me to understand things clearly and make better choices and decisions. I will be unveiling all of the decks from the beginning so there will be no mystery there. Ultimately the LAST thing i want my backers to feel is disrespected. BELIEVE me. I owe every backer a huge thank you for the amazing support you've all shown me!

[STLBluesNut]

I really hate it when creators keep adding stuff and I end up increasing my pledge... it would be much more convenient to know how much I'll be spending from the start. And I think I'm in the minority here but I also hate that the larger tiers guaranteeing everything always come with a brick - I don't want a brick, all I want is one of each

Isn't the brick box 'one of each'?

Successor is likely to have only the 6 variants in the final set. Although I may include additional 'to open' copies of the standard non-limited releases. Still early though and I haven't finalized tiers. The big draw for the all-in tier will be two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid (as you've seen) and the Dynastinae REX Prism deck with the holo cold foil and holo gilding.

look its only 6 variants! remember when sets were 2 or 3? are we selling cards or '' two-fold the Piano Lacquer Gold Foil Inlayed Deluxe box with Sculpted Metal cast gold-tone lid'' boxes? dont get me wrong i am sure it will be beautiful but why is this a forced option to be able to get all the decks guaranteed? (i dont know if that is actually the case yet)

i dont feel a tier like HSBC is asking for is unreasonable. can we have a true one of each deck tier at the beginning? not a trio then 3 add ons. not a one of each plus an uncut sheet, a coin, a booklet, a set of stickers, TGW fuzzy dice, a bottle opener and a casket you can also bury your mom in when its time. as a CARD COLLECTOR, give me one of each deck and i will add any of the extras i want. not ''a chance'' to get each deck if i am able to be sitting at my computer and add decks 3 different times quick enough.

[STLBluesNut]

I really appreciate the input. Helps me to understand things clearly and make better choices and decisions. I will be unveiling all of the decks from the beginning so there will be no mystery there. Ultimately the LAST thing i want my backers to feel is disrespected. BELIEVE me. I owe every backer a huge thank you for the amazing support you've all shown me!

and i, for one, as much as i have ranted in this thread alone, truly believe that you genuinely mean all of that. you don't have to follow kickstarter trends and norms, you and other respected creators have the audience and power to form your own. i challenge you to give it try. i do not think you will be disappointed with the campaign outcome.

look at someone like gio that doesnt do the whole hype, mid campaign launch model. his campaigns do just fine with 3 decks all up front. you arguably have a much larger following to begin with. saying that as Gio's #1 fan here. which brings me to... when you going to one with Gio? lol

[TheGentlemanWake]

There will be a tier that includes all the decks save the Dynastinae Rex Prism. That one only comes in the box set.

You may be thinking... why can't I just print all the decks and sell the box set to the people who want it? Designing, Creating, and producing the box set has been an odyssey of time energy and effort. It's a labor of true love and vision of what I want the customer to experience. Part of that experience is the reward of knowing that if they are willing to buy the deluxe set they will have an exclusive deck that cannot be had in any other way.