Army Men - Filing a report with the FBI - Internet Crimes

[jmrock]

I really could give two F*@#$ about his legal troubles. I however do care about the money that this clown took from me. I have given him ample opportunity to issue a refund. Thus, I have decided to move forward filing a report with the FBI, as was suggested to me by a friend who practices law. The FBI currently handles internet fraud. I have requested a refund and if he or his cohorts don't understand the gravity of this situation, then so be it. I appreciate everyone's opinions; however, don't defend him. He is a big boy sitting on tens of thousands of dollars of other people's money and I am certainly not helping with his legal aid fund. Please PM me if you would like to be included in the complaint and have the opportunity to get your money returned. I need your legal name, address, and the amount of money pledged and by which method (visa, mc, amex...). Thanks, Jonathan

[badpete69]

JM

You already know my opinion and I surely won't defend him I back you 100%. It is time these Kickstarter deadbeats learn their lesson

[CBJ]

I called Adam, and he basically said he doesn't know what's happening. He also said that he doesn't know about giving refunds. He said he's already spent some of the money.
He could not have been more vague. This guy has no class, and deserves what's coming his way.


Here's his other businesses/sites

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You can call him at atc industires 1-800-445-5058 or 317-738-4474



Russel, I would like my money back from Circle City Cards for the brick I purchased.


CBJ

[CBJ]

Oh.. and here's his other KS campaign where he raised nearly 70K

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[badpete69]

Ahhh thanks for the info Jay. I knew he had spent some of the money even if someone was calling me a liar hehehe nice to see the truth come out

[DelMagic]

Maybe Russel can come to the rescue again like he did with the Hornets.

If Russel can't come in a get the decks produced, perhaps he could just send me 4-Quicksilver and 4-Heraldry decks to make up for my 8-Army Men + 1-Hornet for my 10-dice. Then Adam would owe the refund money to Russel. Or, if the decks & dice are ever produced, Russel would get them.

[jmrock]

For those of you who asked whether or not international backers can be included, I do not see why not. I will get confirmation on this, but as of right now please feel free to forward your information, as the more people that were defrauded come forth, the better the case is. Thanks.

[chess]

How do I check how much I pledged? I added to my pledge level and I don't remember how much.

[Sharpie]

How do I check how much I pledged? I added to my pledge level and I don't remember how much.

You can check the Kickstarter email that was sent to you on the 15th of October, 2012. This will confirm the amount you were charged.

[Becky C]

You can also check your backer history under your kickstarter profile.

[Sharpie]

You can also check your backer history under your kickstarter profile.

That didn't work for me. All I see is a list of all my backed projects. No amounts are listed.
And when I click on the project, I'm taken to that KS page that only shows my initial pledge level.

[Becky C]

When I click on "me" it has 2 columns. One is my account and one is my backed projects. Under my account it lists my profile then my backer history. Under my backer history it lists everything I've pledges even cancelled pledges. Hope this helps.

[Sharpie]

I see it now. Thanks!

[hammr25]

I really couldn't care less about the $49 I pledged for the 8 decks, it's the principle of the thing.

Oh and another way to see how much you were charged is to go to Amazon.com and look at your Amazon Payments account.

[CrazyErnie]

I too was forwarded here by a KickStarter link after CBJ posted there. I've been a loud voice in KS comments to no avail. The "scam" has left a very bad taste for me especially since I was just getting back into custom cards. 1st of 10 deck investments to not fulfill. This is more about the principle of the matter, aside from losing $51+change. I'm certainly going to do more homework before investing in decks. - Tom

[vmagic]

I'm putting my support behind this, enough is enough! I sure wish somebody would do something like this about the Asylum deck, that one is another terrible situation!

[BMPokerworld]

Maybe when they contact the FBI they could bring up all the decks like the Asylum, Vortex, Core and any other deck that has not been shipped promptly and is way behind on their estimated delivery date.

Thanks!

[walrus]

If you paid by credit card you could do a fraud claim

[elcyciB]

First time burned by a Kickstarter campaign. I thought this one was safe because he was associated with circle city cards...to me, until Russell publicly announces that Adam is no longer with him, that name no longer holds weight.

Thanks for letting us know CBJ that he spent some of the money....unbelievable and sickening

[doobybrain]

First time burned by a Kickstarter campaign. I thought this one was safe because he was associated with circle city cards...to me, until Russell publicly announces that Adam is no longer with him, that name no longer holds weight.

Thanks for letting us know CBJ that he spent some of the money....unbelievable and sickening

Yeah, I thought having Russell's Circle City Cards behind it meant something. Apparently not. Guilt by association and for that, I will find it very hard to take any of CCC or Russell's decks seriously in the future.

[dazzleguts]

Yeah, I thought having Russell's Circle City Cards behind it meant something. Apparently not. Guilt by association and for that, I will find it very hard to take any of CCC or Russell's decks seriously in the future.

Now come on guys, Russell has not been defending Adam and has always delivered on his own decks. His good character is still solid as far as I am concerned, he has just been unlucky in having his partner take this nose dive.

Can someone tell me what the "Hit a Wall" March 6th update says on the Army Men? I did not buy into this deck so I can't see it. Did Adam give any explanation as to what's going on?

[sinjin7]

Here it is:

"Sorry for being so quite lately I have been having some major issues producing this deck. Now with several redesigns I've been fighting a battle for over a month that I was hoping to have resolved much quicker than it is. I received a cease and desist letter from a company that I shall not name claiming trademark infringement by my project. I have been trying to work things out but it's a slow process and some times seems to lead nowhere, I feel like we have finally reached an agreement and with a few minor changes I may be able to have these decks finally ready to send to the printer.

Again I am sorry for my neglect, it is no way to treat all the people that supported me and got the project this far. I will let you all know when I finally have approval."

[dazzleguts]

Thank you sinjin.
Would have thought those were public domain by now but it really should have been checked first. I wouldn't be surprised if the cease and desist order came with a gag order to keep Adam from telling everyone what's going on. Won't calling the FBI on him is just snarl things up further and guarantee the deck never gets out?

[MJF]

I'm out about $40 on that particular KickStarter project... *sigh*
I haven't pledged anything to KickStarter since January when all this crap started coming down the pipeline... that list that BMPokerWorld listed, I've been burned on a majority of those... sad how pathetic these projects are going - and even worse, they are tarnishing KickStarter for legitimate projects...

Good news though! I saw one of my pictures from the Stealth Deck review get used in the comments describing how crappy the quality was of that deck!

[UtterFool]

Yeah, I thought having Russell's Circle City Cards behind it meant something. Apparently not. Guilt by association and for that, I will find it very hard to take any of CCC or Russell's decks seriously in the future.

Now come on guys, Russell has not been defending Adam and has always delivered on his own decks. His good character is still solid as far as I am concerned, he has just been unlucky in having his partner take this nose dive.

Can someone tell me what the "Hit a Wall" March 6th update says on the Army Men? I did not buy into this deck so I can't see it. Did Adam give any explanation as to what's going on?

Actually I had not heard that Russell and CCC had parted ways with Adam before the Army Men deck is completed.
However, if this is true it is actually even more reason to question his good character and question if you should ever purchase a CCC deck or back a project again.
This deck was marketed under the CCC name and therefore is a CCC deck. If Russell has truly washed his hands of Adam and this deck then he also has done it to the people who backed this deck because it was associated with the ( once ) trusted name of CCC.
In this situation I actually have more respect for the Asylum deck . If you believe the updates they have been sending out, the company is trying to make good on their promise despite their issues and have tried to keep backers up to date and given some level of an update ( as I said, you can choose to believe this or not).
If Russell has actually split with Adam ( again, I had not read that news) then he is basically saying, it is no longer my companies problem you can deal with the creator. He is not standing by his product.

Good name would be.
CCC is working to get out the Army Men deck to its backers or return the money pledged. When this is done CCC will be officially splitting with Adam.

At this point I think both Adam and CCC should be held accountable if this deck doesn't get made.
I do not believe that the FBI should be contacted (maybe I will start a thread explaining that reason later)
But I think CCC should be forced to gain back its reputation and until they do people should avoid their products.

[BMPokerworld]

You know, it just doesn't make sense. What could be the "infringement issues"? The little plastic soldiers? The Army Men title? Everything else is generic. Just take the 2 plastic soldiers off the tuck box and brick box and change the name to solider deck. I am sorry, but at this point it just seems like BS to me.

Thanks!

[BMPokerworld]

UtterFool wrote:

In this situation I actually have more respect for the Asylum deck . If you believe the updates they have been sending out, the company is trying to make good on their promise despite their issues and have tried to keep backers up to date and given some level of an update ( as I said, you can choose to believe this or not).

Not sure why you would have more respect for them in this situation. They have not given a valid reason yet and they mentioned cash flow issues as being the reason. Cash flow issues? They got the money UPFRONT!!!! Bottom line, they spent the money on something else and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was to keep their business afloat.

Thanks!

P.S. Sorry about the double post, I just thought this should be answered.

[dazzleguts]

@BM - Actually Utterfool wrote that, not me.

@Utterfool - Wasn't suggesting they had parted ways, I was only noting that each seemed to be handleing their own decks, in which case it is Adam who left this deck open to litigation. I would be sad to see CCC disappear because of this.

[BMPokerworld]

@BM - Actually Utterfool wrote that, not me.

@Utterfool - Wasn't suggesting they had parted ways, I was only noting that each seemed to be handleing their own decks, in which case it is Adam who left this deck open to litigation. I would be sad to see CCC disappear because of this.

Yes, sorry about that. I will make the change now.

Thanks!

[dazzleguts]

Thanks BM.

Utterfool, how exactly would they be able to re-establish their good name if no one buys their products??