Pantone

[jhaneyzz]

Someone should partner up with Pantone to make decks each year based on their “Colors of the Year”

Monarch, NOC, Fontaine... any of the “rinse and repeat” designs.

[RelativityCards]

I think this is a really cool idea! You could print with a Pantone ink without too much extra cost, but there are bound to be licensing fees to use their name / brandmark anywhere...

[jhaneyzz]

What I meant was a known designer would team up with them to release decks licensed by them.

[hsbc]

Did you know there's a Pantone board game?



I also found a cool mockup

[RelativityCards]

What I meant was a known designer would team up with them to release decks licensed by them.

I think we talked past each other, because I meant there would be licensing fees to use the Pantone name, etc. I'm definitely not suggesting some rando pay to use the Fontaine design, etc.

Also:

...known designer...

Any mod want to make me a real designer?

Re: Pantone game, yeah! I picked up a copy for a friend a while ago. Really cool idea, getting people to recognize pop culture characters from just a handful of color swatches!

[macstrat]

Heres perspective: The color match books I use for my printers cost ~$150-200 each.

We had a customer ask how much to license a Pantone color at one point for their logo. They wanted to exclusively license the color, which is a little different than this, but the price we got back was $300k.

It has been my experience in color matching that 3rd party printers will print colors 1/2 a shade darker or lighter to avoid issues. Its small enough difference that most people eyes wont pick up on it, but when properly measured give a different readout from a colorimetry device like an x-rite. Thats one reason why spot colors are usually more expensive as is it is a much more tedious and exact process.

Advice: if you produce a deck that uses specific spot colors, like the color of the year, get the color properly checked on a final printed version.

this is my experience, ymmv

[Harvonsgard]

Pantone is ridiculous. First of all they call themself a colour management system, without having an underlaying systematic... LOL. But maybe this is because Americans like to work with non-metric systems . All they do is mixing colours and then put a brand tag on them. As macstrat mentioned their colour fans and matching books are ridiculously expensive. Other paint distributors give them away for free if you are a good customer. But the worst thing is that their normal colours can be matched with any CMYK ink, not so special. Overall they are like Apple (fashionable, marketing, pricing, exclusive design vibe) but with inks - okay, that is unfair Apple at least has some positive points that speak for them.

[macstrat]

Pantone is ridiculous. First of all they call themself a colour management system, without having an underlaying systematic... LOL. But maybe this is because Americans like to work with non-metric systems . All they do is mixing colours and then put a brand tag on them. As macstrat mentioned their colour fans and matching books are ridiculously expensive. Other paint distributors give them away for free if you are a good customer. But the worst thing is that their normal colours can be matched with any CMYK ink, not so special. Overall they are like Apple (fashionable, marketing, pricing, exclusive design vibe) but with inks - okay, that is unfair Apple at least has some positive points that speak for them.

I can agree that what they offer for the price is insane. The key in their system is that if you want a SPECIFIC color, they give you the codes to get that EXACT color. My understanding is that the samples that painters use are not even the same system as non-print systems. e.g. I went to home depot to repaint my basement, I had the exact color I wanted as a pantone sample. Had the color codes, rgb, cmyk, hex, everything, and they could not match the color. I had to sift through their samples to find a close match and then waited while they custom mixed THAT color. I think when compared to Apple, they offer something that Apple doesnt and that is consistency. If you have a pantone color, you know what you are going to get that color. Apple just sells overpriced junk. (full disclosure, I used to be an Apple technician, that's why I no longer own any of their hardware)

[MagikFingerz]

(full disclosure, I used to be an Apple technician, that's why I no longer own any of their hardware)

At the risk of not only derailing this thread, but also prying: Would you mind elaborating on this?

[Harvonsgard]

(full disclosure, I used to be an Apple technician, that's why I no longer own any of their hardware)

At the risk of not only derailing this thread, but also prying: Would you mind elaborating on this?

+1

as someone who switched from Android to Apple and never encountered any problems with Apple products, I would love to hear inside infos.

[STLBluesNut]

Derailed... lol.

I am no fan of Apple but I'm not sure I wouldn't say they are junk. Overpriced, definitely! You are paying for a brand. Period.

There are ups and downs to using their products, like any other product. In my opinion, their products do not warrant the price point. But, they have become trendy and popular enough with certain crowds that they would pay any amount as long as it has that apple on it.

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[macstrat]

(full disclosure, I used to be an Apple technician, that's why I no longer own any of their hardware)

At the risk of not only derailing this thread, but also prying: Would you mind elaborating on this?

+1

as someone who switched from Android to Apple and never encountered any problems with Apple products, I would love to hear inside infos.

OK..since you asked:

Quick Background: So, When I was out of college, I want to the Apple store and was able to get a job as a technician. I grew up with Apple. My first computer was a IIgs, and then I graduated to the MacPlus. I was a HUGE Apple fanboy, went to the MacWorld conventions, etc.

TL;DR: I just got so tired of the business practices, the corporate brainwashing, and increasingly garbage hardware. I just outgrew apple.bottom line: use what works for you as opposed to whats fashionable. I put my equipment through hell and back and apple just cant compete.

1. Lack of repair options: Apple hardware was never "easy" to repair, as even on the MacPlus they uses the T8 torx screws on the base, and put them in very difficult locations to access. Not long after Apple released the iPhone, they started closing off the hardware. Like REALLY closing off the hardware and slowly making adjustments that made them impossible to repair without swapping out a $600 motherboard. Part of this was so that Apple could control the supply chain. Aside from hurting small businesses. what this also means is that for you as a customer, is that you are forced to take it to an authorized center for repair. This led to an issue not too long ago about apple locking out 3rd party companies from replacing batteries and screens. Ever wonder why Staples and other shops rarely repair past the iphone 8 inhouse? now you know. (this is not just an Apple issue, but they make it harder for everyone)

More info:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... port-says/
https://www.ifixit.com/News/35351/apple ... -trust-you


2. Apple hardware just cant compete anymore: Back in the day, apples used RISC processor types. They excelled at handling graphics, because they use more simplified instruction sets that call upon the memory less and allow more cycles on the processor. These processors gave apple the edge in graphic design. When they switched over to Intel x86/64 processors they began losing that edge. With hardware advances accelerating, this gave PC manufactures a leg up, and now you get more bang for your buck without paying for the name. The flip side of this that because of those same issues, apple does tend to last longer, but at a much greater entry price. I would rather save that money and upgrade when I need it.

Example: my laptop costs $2500 after tax (64GB, 1tb SSD, 1tb HDD, i7, 16GB nvidia RTX 2080m) if I were to get the same machine (or as close as I get from apple) it would cost $4300 after tax (64GB ram, 1tb SSD, i9, 8GB AMD card), AND be completely unrepeatable if something happens, as opposed to my current system which I can swap parts out on.

Fun fact: the PS2, iPads, and the Summit Supercompputer, and most cell phones still use RISC architecture (in cellphones, its called ARM)

3. Closed Ecosystem: As someone that tinkers with pretty much everything I can get my hands on, Apples ecosystem is very prohibitive. When I buy a piece of hardware, I like to tell it what to do, not have a company tell me what I can and cannot do with the hardware I just blew a thousand $$$ on. Additionally this extends to products they MIGHT roll out. A good example of this are the antitrust suits against apple that are currently ongoing. Even after courts rule against them, they still continue the same business practices. All under the guise of "security"

Bottom line: If I purchase equipment, I take on the liability of what happens to that equipment. More importantly, don't tell me what I can or cannot do with my equipment, for the sake of your own profit or image.

Example: Apple has removed all vaping, smoking, and cigarette apps from the store. My vaping mod has a bluetooth tracker in it, because i lose stuff quite a bit, so it helps. Apple recently removed the app that I need to track and change the setting on my mod because THEY deem it unsafe, instead of allowing me to choose. Yet they still allow marijuana related apps which is a federally illegal substance. (the weed debate im not going to get into)

More Info:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/busi ... -apps.html
https://9to5mac.com/2020/01/17/tile-app ... statement/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/14/1861 ... -vergecast


4. Apple screws developers and artists: Apple has a long history of stealing technology and then claiming it as their own. This applies to both developers and artists. All companies copy ideas, etc. from other companies. Its part of competition. Apple copies it, then sues the original company behind the idea. The second part of that dates back a few years, and nothing has changed much. When an artist offers something on Apple music, they pay pennies to what they actually make. To the point where the courts have had to step in. These are more minor, but still get under my skin.

There is an apocryphal tale about the developer that developed the cellphone copy and paste code: He made an app that allowed it on the iPhone, Apple took the app, stole the code, put in into iOS,, took down his app then sued him for infringement. Google used the same code and gave the guy $5mil for his troubles and covered his legal fees

More info:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... est-ideas/
https://mashable.com/2018/01/31/copyrig ... ists-more/

[kem-collector]

If you want additionally skinny on how Apple operates, follow Louis Rossman.

https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup

He repairs Apple products out of NYC and is a huge proponent of Right to Repair. Even if you are not technical in nature, he streams actual mainboard repairs (twitch and YouTube) and discusses what is wrong with how Apple operates the entire time. I find it rather relaxing, even if he is a bit crass at times.

[Harvonsgard]

Thanks for elaborating macstrat.