Key West Resort&Casino playing cards

[Sharpie]

Well... I really like the idea of the deck, but have never done a review.
If you're willing to take a chance, I'll take the 3rd.

S

[dennis63]

Well... I really like the idea of the deck, but have never done a review.
If you're willing to take a chance, I'll take the 3rd.

S

OK. You are number 3 of 3. The decks go out in the morning.

[Russell]

Shit, I was going to recommend Alan Paoletti from YouTube he is very knowledgable.

Here is his review of the Hornet deck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2owYG2P ... ature=plcp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[vjose32]

Well I missed out but fortunately he's already sending me 2 decks for review.

[dennis63]

Well I missed out but fortunately he's already sending me 2 decks for review.

VJose32 -- I'm anxious to hear your opinion on these, too. I can't wait for you to get them.

I will also post links in this thread to the other reviewers:

Joker and the Thief (in Austrailia), who does some amazing video reviews and cardistry;
Loldudex2 in New Jersey, who has nearly 2,000 posts on Aethercards.
Fluffykitten (from here, above)
Evan (from here, above)
Sharpie (from here, above)

I'm hoping people get these and post their impressions here. YouTube reviews are great if you're doing one, but I know they take some time.

[Evan]

Well I missed out but fortunately he's already sending me 2 decks for review.

VJose32 -- I'm anxious to hear your opinion on these, too. I can't wait for you to get them.

I will also post links in this thread to the other reviewers:

Joker and the Thief (in Austrailia), who does some amazing video reviews and cardistry;
Loldudex2 in New Jersey, who has nearly 2,000 posts on Aethercards.
Fluffykitten (from here, above)
Evan (from here, above)
Sharpie (from here, above)

I'm hoping people get these and post their impressions here. YouTube reviews are great if you're doing one, but I know they take some time.

Just thought I'd show you my channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/MagicAddictz2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Assassino13]

Well I missed out but fortunately he's already sending me 2 decks for review.

VJose32 -- I'm anxious to hear your opinion on these, too. I can't wait for you to get them.

I will also post links in this thread to the other reviewers:

Joker and the Thief (in Austrailia), who does some amazing video reviews and cardistry;
Loldudex2 in New Jersey, who has nearly 2,000 posts on Aethercards.
Fluffykitten (from here, above)
Evan (from here, above)
Sharpie (from here, above)

I'm hoping people get these and post their impressions here. YouTube reviews are great if you're doing one, but I know they take some time.

Man I feel so left out!

[dennis63]

The cards were shipped out this morning to our reviewers. (Don't forget to shuffle these cards and break them in a bit, too!)

Here's a link to the YouTube review by Loldudex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q__ltx2Quxg&feature=plcp

[Fluffykitten]

The cards were shipped out this morning to our reviewers. (Don't forget to shuffle these cards and break them in a bit, too!)

Here's a link to the YouTube review by Loldudex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q__ltx2Quxg&feature=plcp

Thanks! Hopefully my tripod head will arrive today and I can do a video review.

[Eyeball]

Ah looks like I came a little late to the party, I was going to offer to be one of the three but I see now they have already been chosen. That's alright though, I am still deciding whether or not I want to pledge for these. I am skeptical because most non-USPCC deck's I have gotten just don't have the same handling. Maybe after a few more people have some input on the deck I can make a decision .

[elcyciB]

Ah looks like I came a little late to the party, I was going to offer to be one of the three but I see now they have already been chosen. That's alright though, I am still deciding whether or not I want to pledge for these. I am skeptical because most non-USPCC deck's I have gotten just don't have the same handling. Maybe after a few more people have some input on the deck I can make a decision .

Hope you can make a decision to back. I want this deck, haha. I am new to card collecting though and am mostly only familiar with USPCC. What are the other 'major' players out there, and who comes in second?

[dennis63]

Ah looks like I came a little late to the party, I was going to offer to be one of the three but I see now they have already been chosen. That's alright though, I am still deciding whether or not I want to pledge for these. I am skeptical because most non-USPCC deck's I have gotten just don't have the same handling. Maybe after a few more people have some input on the deck I can make a decision .

Hope you can make a decision to back. I want this deck, haha. I am new to card collecting though and am mostly only familiar with USPCC. What are the other 'major' players out there, and who comes in second?

Much depends on what you are looking for. Plastic? Paper decks that are plastic coated.

Among the cards I have, I think the nicest plastic decks are the KEM / Bicycle WSOP cards from 2008.

The paper decks -- well, the Key Wests, of course! After that, though, Gemaco makes a really nice coated paper card that's really easy to handle.

[dennis63]

Today (Monday, October 8) is a holiday in the United States. (No mail delivery.) So the decks will be delayed a day. All were shipped out Saturday morning via USPS Priority Mail flat rate box. All three reviewers should be receiving their two decks on Tuesday, Oct. 9.

[Sharpie]

Today (Monday, October 8) is a holiday in the United States. (No mail delivery.) So the decks will be delayed a day. All were shipped out Saturday morning via USPS Priority Mail flat rate box. All three reviewers should be receiving their two decks on Tuesday, Oct. 9.

That is unfortunate. I leave on a weeks vacation tomorrow.
Guess you'll have to wait a bit for my written review.

[max]

That is unfortunate. I leave on a weeks vacation tomorrow.

you lucky!!!!!!

[dennis63]

Today (Monday, October 8) is a holiday in the United States. (No mail delivery.) So the decks will be delayed a day. All were shipped out Saturday morning via USPS Priority Mail flat rate box. All three reviewers should be receiving their two decks on Tuesday, Oct. 9.

That is unfortunate. I leave on a weeks vacation tomorrow.
Guess you'll have to wait a bit for my written review.

Sharpie -- If you'd prefer, you can just refuse the package. I'll send two decks to the next U.S. volunteer on the list.

[Sharpie]

Today (Monday, October 8) is a holiday in the United States. (No mail delivery.) So the decks will be delayed a day. All were shipped out Saturday morning via USPS Priority Mail flat rate box. All three reviewers should be receiving their two decks on Tuesday, Oct. 9.

That is unfortunate. I leave on a weeks vacation tomorrow.
Guess you'll have to wait a bit for my written review.

Sharpie -- If you'd prefer, you can just refuse the package. I'll send two decks to the next U.S. volunteer on the list.

Or I could just send them on to the person of your choice, to save time. And I'll pay postage (to compensate for the inconvenience).
I apologise for not considering this before volunteering. I honestly didn't remember (chalk it up to having lots of work and a toddler).
And after realising it, I didn't think the delay would hurt your campaign.

Sorry guys,
S

[decksparadise]

Sorry to say but i will surely give this a pass.

[dennis63]

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[dennis63]

Sharpie:

You can certainly still do a review later on if you'd like. You don't need to send the cards to anyone else. Please keep the cards. If you really don't want to do a review, simply send them back. I'd prefer you keep them, as you backed the kickstarter project and deserve something for that.

There is also no need to do an elaborate video review. I was simply hoping to put the cards into the hands of a few people here so they could see, feel and handle the cards for themselves. The good folks here have expressed some doubts about the quality of the decks, since they don't come from USPC.

I understand that. Remember, I got samples from about four or five other companies. Their samples were uniformly awful. Liberty's cards are professional quality and really felt like USPC cards. (Loldudex said in his video review that it was "the best non-USPC deck he's ever seen," and "There are things I like better about this deck than a USPC deck, but, shhhh, don't tell them that." (There's a link to his video review on the Kickstarter Key West page.)

On Chiptalk, I went out on a limb to tell other members that I thought these decks were going to turn out as good as USPC's Broadway Aristocrats. I was basing this on the quality of their sample decks. (I think they are actually a little better, but I didn't want to push it.)

We ordered 600 decks from Liberty for the folks on CT. Only 588 were delivered. They cost $4.11 each to make because I wanted Liberty's best cardstock. (The boxes alone cost $0.88 each.)

Around 300 decks sold immediately to 15 Chiptalk.net members. The smallest order was 2 decks. The largest was 48. (3 people). Seven or eight people ordered two decks. Of those, seven CT members ordered more decks immediately. The average re-order was eight decks.

I did a couple of test sales on e-bay, just to see how much e-bay and paypal would take from the sale. One of these decks landed in the hands of a a collector (who may actually be a member here). He e-mailed me to rave about the cards, saying he has hundreds of decks and wishes I would go bigger with this deck. He mentioned Kickstarter to me.

So, all I want is for a few people to see and feel these decks and tell me honestly what you think.

[BMPokerworld]

Dennis63 said "We ordered 600 decks from Liberty for the folks on Kickstarter. Only 588 were delivered. They cost $4.11 each to make because I wanted Liberty's best cardstock. (The boxes alone cost $0.88 each.)"

How is it possible you paid $4.11 per deck, when you are selling 6 of them including shipping for $25? That means you are losing money on each deck you sell.

Thanks!

[dennis63]

Dennis63 said "We ordered 600 decks from Liberty for the folks on Kickstarter. Only 588 were delivered. They cost $4.11 each to make because I wanted Liberty's best cardstock. (The boxes alone cost $0.88 each.)"

How is it possible you paid $4.11 per deck, when you are selling 6 of them including shipping for $25? That means you would be losing money on each deck you sell.

Thanks!

I paid over $2,400 for 600 decks -- art fee, setup fees, boxes, color-match, color switching (on cards and boxes), and shipping to me. Those decks are all but gone, except for the 48 I bought for myself.

The kickstarter project is to fund printing 5,000 new decks -- 2,500 of each color.

If the project gets funded, rewards (like the 6 decks for $25) will be from the new batch of 5,000 decks, which will cost less per deck, since we're making so many more. (Kickstarter doesn't allow you to sell existing inventory, anyway.)

[BMPokerworld]

Dennis63 said "We ordered 600 decks from Liberty for the folks on Kickstarter. Only 588 were delivered. They cost $4.11 each to make because I wanted Liberty's best cardstock. (The boxes alone cost $0.88 each.)"

How is it possible you paid $4.11 per deck, when you are selling 6 of them including shipping for $25? That means you would be losing money on each deck you sell.

Thanks!

I paid over $2,400 for 600 decks -- art fee, setup fees, boxes, color-match, color switching (on cards and boxes), and shipping to me. Those decks are all but gone, except for the 48 I bought for myself.

The kickstarter project is to fund printing 5,000 new decks -- 2,500 of each color.

If the project gets funded, rewards (like the 6 decks for $25) will be from the new batch of 5,000 decks, which will cost less per deck, since we're making so many more.

Gotcha!!! I got confused because you said "You ordered 600 decks for the folKs on kickstarter".

[dennis63]

I know. Sorry. I just edited that (I hope.)

Actually, I did lose money making the cards for Chiptalk, but I also sold around 1,000 Key West chips that I had stocked up.

For the big new order with Kickstarter backing, the price per deck won't drop as much as I'd hoped. With two back colors, it's really like doing two orders of 2,500 decks each.

[elcyciB]

If the kickstarter project doesn't get funded, will there still be a way to get a hold of some of the decks that have been printed already?

[dennis63]

Since my name is on the kickstarter project, I should state openly that I am not related to anyone who ever worked for Penn State.

[Fluffykitten]

i just got my review copy about 40 minutes ago and made a super quick first impressions with my webcam, so its not very good.

but some of the main points are
1- these are not by any means cheap cards, the quality is sold.
2- i dont know how these would be for magic, but for playing they seem very good.
3- they do feel different than the USPCC cards, but thats not really bad.
4- these are cards i would be completely comfortable playing with, and even though i got a review copy i am still paying for the kick starter set.
5- these are PLAYING cards, for playing.

anyway, here is my crappy video. a better higher quality and formal review video is coming.

[Fluffykitten]

Since my name is on the kickstarter project, I should state openly that I am not related to anyone who ever worked for Penn State.

yeah, i hope kick starter lets you re submit if it doesnt get funded because these are good cards and do add something new to what is out there, but the timing could not be worse for you. and having that last name cant help today.

[dennis63]

If the kickstarter project doesn't get funded, will there still be a way to get a hold of some of the decks that have been printed already?

There are very few of the original decks left. Here's what we should do:

If people want the decks, they should back the Kickstarter project.

If it does not fully fund, I will e-mail all backers on the last day about doing a new run of the decks without kickstarter backing. If I get positive reviews here and elsewhere, I would consider arranging the funding privately.

I can work this through my dedicated e-mail for the cards: keywestcards@gmail.com

You have to back the project to get in on this. If it doesn't fund, it costs you nothing. If it does, you get the decks anyway.

[dennis63]

i just got my review copy about 40 minutes ago and made a super quick first impressions with my webcam, so its not very good.

but some of the main points are
1- these are not by any means cheap cards, the quality is sold.
2- i dont know how these would be for magic, but for playing they seem very good.
3- they do feel different than the USPCC cards, but thats not really bad.
4- these are cards i would be completely comfortable playing with, and even though i got a review copy i am still paying for the kick starter set.
5- these are PLAYING cards, for playing.

anyway, here is my crappy video. a better higher quality and formal review video is coming.

FK --

You are lightning fast!

I tried to look at the video, but it's coming up with the message "This video is private."

Thanks again for jumping on this!

Dennis