KS | Leonardo Masterworks | Art Playing Cards

[Dent-de-Lion]

If I understand this campaign, it not about producing the Leonardo decks (two decks from a previous printing are included though), but is really about producing stands based off of Leonardo's horse design. I like the design and is different than other playing card display pieces I have seen. Given what is proposed, I don't think the price is unreasonable (about $100 for the pair of stands and decks shipped to the US). Heck, I am spending about as much for something similar for the Frozen London Diffractor deck in an "ice cube". I think this would make a stunning display piece for the gold and silver Leonardo decks.

Thank you for your kind message. I am so glad you like the design, we love Leonardo’s Horse too!
Yes, the price is quite reasonable, this is one of the most expensive projects we have yet produced. And like you stated, this is for two very unique and complex decks.
Please remember to send me a photo of Leonardo Masterworks displayed in your collection!

I think it is an interesting choice to have them as one piece, not necessarily a bad one though. I think most of these will be mostly display pieces so it will generally appear the same wither way.

The only thing is if they were stands then a collector could choose to rotate other decks in and out of them for display.

Yes, hopefully, Leonardo Masterworks, will be displayed as a prized collector’s piece. This is one reason we decided to make them one object and not separable. The design of the Stage with the metal horse, is integral to the original Leonardo paper tuck design.

[Adonael]

Well this escalated quickly

It is quite the escalation but Adonael seems to like telling people what they can and cannot think. His act has worn thin and I have called him out (although in not such a strong manner) myself on other threads.

Hahaha, being shut down and proven wrong by me with meticulous logical argument is what you call 'calling him out'? Oh boy, you have an even looser grip on reality than I thought! That's some strong delusion right there, but you have to convince yourself in order to protect your fragile ego right?

All I ever do is present well-thought and well-backed reason and perspective, often explicitly stated as being my own personally. If that's too much for you to handle, or too confronting, maybe you should join a cult (if you haven't already) where you don't have to think so much, and can avoid encountering facts or differing views to your own, maybe one of the big religions or a conservative party?

You know what adonel,

Pathetic. See above. You know I didn't at all say that this isn't a tuck swap right? Well, obviously you don't, I guess words are hard. I'm just saying maybe put a bit more thought into it before bandying about the phrase all over the place as a loose catch-all, particularly when you've labelled a deck previously as one when it clearly wasn't. I generally take things like that as an opportunity to learn, refine and reflect. I have publicly done so in these very forums in fact. You clearly don't, but maybe you should consider it moving forward, as well as some anger management therapy.

[Harvonsgard]

Thought there were interesting news regarding this campaign... well... my bad.

[Strag]

Well this escalated quickly

It is quite the escalation but Adonael seems to like telling people what they can and cannot think. His act has worn thin and I have called him out (although in not such a strong manner) myself on other threads.

Hahaha, being shut down and proven wrong by me with meticulous logical argument is what you call 'calling him out'? Oh boy, you have an even looser grip on reality than I thought! That's some strong delusion right there, but you have to convince yourself in order to protect your fragile ego right?

Congrats on earning the first ever block from me on UC. Oh, and go smurf yourself you self-indulgent sanctimonious asshole.

[Adonael]

Congrats on earning the first ever block from me on UC.

I'm truly honoured. Ignorant buffoons who can't think for themselves getting their jimmies rustled when faced with those who can is merely proof and reinforcement that I'm doing the correct thing. It's like smoking out pests. As an analogy, if a white nationalist is angry with you in any given situation, then you can be fairly certain that you're doing the right thing. Speaking up is more important now than ever.

I'm sorry about all the off-topic nonsense, I just wanted to point out how the pricing compares to the only other similar deck, the Ascension Signature by Steve Minty.

These clowns attempting to construct a coherent thought lol:

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[Harvonsgard]

I'm sorry about all the off-topic nonsense,

[Kurama]

Could a mod clean this thread... Too much noise here and it's doing no good to the designer trying to discuss its project with the UC people...

[PipChick]

ah, something about the holidays really seem to bring out the best and worst in us all... *sigh* I had hoped that the little personal spat in this thread that had been an accumulation of pent up feelings built up through quite a few incidences among members would be a fire that would've just burnt itself out (and for a bit, it seemed like it miraculously had! alas...) But it looks like we need to step in and remind everyone to keep the personal attacks off the boards. Criticize one another's actions/opinions all you want - go for it! - but name-calling/ad hominems are against the forum rules no matter how you try to rationalize it.

Remember, UC is a place we want to be positive and engaging for ALL users - members and creators alike - so it's up to ALL of us to keep it that way. With that said, everyone's free to express themselves, but before pushing the post button to do so publicly, please take a moment to consider carefully what you've written, how and the tone in which you had done so, and how it may be perceived by others and affect those reading it because you will be held accountable. Simply put, just be responsible with the words you choose and how you decide to use 'em because it not only reflects on poorly yourself, but also on ALL of us here at UC so consider this an issue of official warnings to all involved... com'on, y'all know better and are better than that so please, I kindly ask that everyone take a step back outta their feelings, grow up and move on.

Besides, it's the holidays ffs - y'all have said your piece and by now, everyone is very aware of what'cha all think about/feel towards one another as made quite loudly and repetitively clear... so now's the time to just move right on along. It's clear that y'all aren't gunna kiss and make-up (nor is anyone expecting you to), but y'all do need to move tf on - we all do too - and please do consider blocking one another if that's what it'll take to do so. Now, let's move on together and focus on what we're all even here for to begin with - the deck, it's design and the current project at hand - and keep all other emotionally-charged personal matters for dinner with the family during this holiday season.

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To the creators: on behalf of UC, we apologize for the disturbance this quarrel between community members have caused in this thread. I know this is more than just an inconvenience, and you are thoroughly justified in being upset but I assure you that UC does not tolerate such behavior as that's not what we're all about here. As mods, we do the best we can to mediate between members as necessary to maintain a space for open dialog rooted in civility, courtesy and respect; but, as you can see, some of our members still need to be reminded of that from time to time as we all share responsibility for the community space we all are apart of. With that said, please accept our apologies for allowing all of this to have gotten so outta hand as it clearly had between members but I'm hopeful we can all move forward and provide you with constructive and/or collaborative feedback on your project. Thank you for enagaging and we greatly appreciate the efforts you've made to address members' questions, comments and concerns

[STLBluesNut]

I will apologize to you, PipChick and the community with the exception of Adoneal, for reading what needed to be said. Only a couple others would call them out on their BS. I stand by what I said knowing the full extent of the possible consequences.

Adonel has already been ignored on this end. So good luck to all having to read their nonsense like telling someone they are wrong and that the object they had in front of them and photographed couldn't possibly be the color they said it was. Smh. Lol.

At least I will not have to read anymore of their arrogance. Does it also filter out if someone else quotes their ridiculousness? I hope so.

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[sinjin7]

I've blocked two people here at UC, and one of them have since been banned from the site. It's a great feature, but not perfect. While it hides any nonsense posted by the blocked member, you still have to endure their post if it's been quoted by another member.

I too am not a fan of tuck swaps, and this is a tuck swap on steroids. I always value the actual cards first, and the tuck is secondary. At the end of the day, I play with the cards, not the tucks. If there's going to be bling, I'd prefer it on the cards instead of the tuck. If the tuck is pretty, it's just a bonus, but not something I am willing to pay too high of a premium for. I am passing on these as I have passed on all of Dent's other projects since his first disastrous one. To be fair, it appears his other projects have gone fairly smoothly without any broken promises or undue hubris, but it's still too soon for me.

[Strag]

I apologize to the community as well. Won't happen from me again, in the future I will just block without comment.

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[theCapraAegagrus]

Warning: Blocking people does not prevent them from harassing you via PM. I highly doubt that Adonael will do this, though. It's usually only trolls who do that.

[Strag]

Suffice to say that the mods would hear from me if that happened and I would be surprised if they didn't take action at that point.

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[Dent-de-Lion]

We have had some backers asking for a view of the inside of our Bog Oak Vault.

Our exceedingly rare Bog Oak Vault is handmade in Europe. The Leonardo inspired hexagonal case is precision made throughout. A 24K gold plated bronzed steel Battle Horse is artfully embedded into the top, and serves as a handle.

Inside, the wooden vault has a custom insert to hold a signed and numbered Leonardo Masterworks | Studio Limited Edition pair. The vault is hand sanded and finished with six coats of oil!

More details are in our latest update here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14 ... ts/2703041

[theCapraAegagrus]

*vomit*

[hsbc]

The Bog Oak Vault is more interesting and a much better value than JR's similarly-priced wooden case editions IMO Something like this from TWI might actually tempt me

[ancamonica]

Does this come in Silver also? I'm more of a silver person than a gold..

[Dent-de-Lion]

The Bog Oak Vault is more interesting and a much better value...

Part of the high value of our Bog Oak Vault is simply the inherent expense and rarity of the wood itself. Not only is age-certified bog wood difficult to regularly source, it is all very time consuming and expensive to prepare from the moment of discover in the bog (!) till it reaches the wood-shop.

Also, Bog Oak wood is well on its way to… STONE! It is very very hard, and therefore extremely hard on tools, thereby taking more time to finish.

Here is an example we have just received from our master European boxmaker - this case is a custom one-of-a-kind for my daughter's 1001 Nights project. The finish is superb.

From the 24K gold plated bronzed steel Battle Horse on top… to the ancient Bog Oak itself… we are very excited about our Leonardo Masterworks vault!

[Dent-de-Lion]

Does this come in Silver also? I'm more of a silver person than a gold..

If you write me a PM on Kickstarter when you order your Bog Oak Vault, then I will make a note of it.

The Battle Horse is 24K gold plated bronzed steel, and is 3D printed. There are two alternative silver finished available :

Bronzed-Silver - A metallic silvery colour with a bronze tint.
Nickel: Thin layer of nickel plating providing a shiny silver grey colour

And we’re also doing some very cool figures, in blackened steel, that’s an option too. The black will look great with both your Edition Gold and Edition Silver Leonardo Playing Cards.

I will get a sample of each and send you the details as we go into production. Then you can choose which you want.

I have had our Rhombicuboctahedron printed in the Bronzed-Silver and it looked awesome.

[ancamonica]

oooooh I likes the silver one! thanx, will order one of these vaults and write you. Will the price be the same?

[Dent-de-Lion]

oooooh I likes the silver one! thanx, will order one of these vaults and write you. Will the price be the same?

Yes, the price for the Bog Oak Vault will be the same with your choice of the gold, silver, or black Battle Horse.

I will share a new add-on here later - after we present it on an update in the campaign - a new display option suggested by one of our biggest United Cardist super backers - and longtime advisor and consultant to us on playing card matters.

[Strag]

FOUR updates on a prior KS and three direct emails about your new campaign is real far far too many. You just earned me unsubbing from your mail list and your KS updates. Really need to watch it, you went into spam territory.

[Dent-de-Lion]

FOUR updates on a prior KS and three direct emails about your new campaign is real far far too many. You just earned me unsubbing from your mail list and your KS updates. Really need to watch it, you went into spam territory.

Thank you for your message.

We are sorry to see you go, and apologize for the intrusion.

It's a funny world, we just received an email (and a pledge!) this afternoon from a backer of a previous campaign who thanked us for being so persistent!

It seems he missed our first five mails...

Wishing you a happy holiday season Strag!

[guru]

We are sorry to see you go, and apologize for the intrusion.

It's a funny world, we just received an email (and a pledge!) this afternoon from a backer of a previous campaign who thanked us for being so persistent!

It seems he missed our first five mails...

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[hsbc]

Promotion is tough - personally I hate advertisements of any sort but I'm content enough to not be too bothered by any card projects that end up in my email or IG, you never know who's seeing it for the first time

[Dent-de-Lion]

Promotion is tough - personally I hate advertisements of any sort but I'm content enough to not be too bothered by any card projects that end up in my email or IG, you never know who's seeing it for the first time

About half of our backers for a new campaign are previous patrons, and reaching them is an important key to our continued success.

There are lots of card designers with one or two projects, some very successful ones, but then “poof!” they are gone… we have found that our past backers, loyal to the cause, are our greatest asset. And we profusely apologise for our “over persistent” marketing to them. But like you say hsbc... promotion is tough!

We are working to build a sustainable playing card business, and we are close to getting there. The help of all our wonderful backers here at United Cardists are an important piece of the puzzle and we are very grateful for all your support!

[Harvonsgard]

Promotion is tough - personally I hate advertisements of any sort but I'm content enough to not be too bothered by any card projects that end up in my email or IG, you never know who's seeing it for the first time

+1

One click and the eMail is gone, so I don't bother that much either. But I'm not subscribed to a lot of newsletters anyways due to not liking ads as well. Especially if it containes bold exaggorations like E! marketing or alike.
Gio and Lotrék - because they are fun to read - plus playingcarddecks.com - which is funny because I never ordered from them nor read them but am too lazy to unsubscribe - are the only ones I'm subscribed to.

[Strag]

Promotion is tough - personally I hate advertisements of any sort but I'm content enough to not be too bothered by any card projects that end up in my email or IG, you never know who's seeing it for the first time

Agreed promotion is tough but getting essentially 7 emails around the same project is excessive in my opinion. Why I exercised my right to not receive anything at all in the future.

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[ancamonica]

Promotion is tough - personally I hate advertisements of any sort but I'm content enough to not be too bothered by any card projects that end up in my email or IG, you never know who's seeing it for the first time

Agreed promotion is tough but getting essentially 7 emails around the same project is excessive in my opinion. Why I exercised my right to not receive anything at all in the future.

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I dunno... I kinda see both sides... small companies have to use whatever means they have within their limited budgets to reach people, but then it's defo excessive, true.

First world problem tho... I just ignore or click and no biggie.

[shkorc]

*sees Jocu hiding in the corner*