**FEEDBACK NEEDED - Cyberpunk themed deck

[excelsiorcards]

Hello all, I just started a company with a designer that I know and we are working on our first Kickstarter (first for me, he has done others before). It is a project of a cyberpunk-themed deck and I wanted to know about your thoughts. We think this theme is very popular now (with cyberpunk 2077 game, a lot of tv shows and movies). The concept would be something like this deck but 3d modeled.

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We are also discussing having personas for the Jack, Queen, King, or just have it more abstract. Please tell me your thoughts on it. Thank all of you in advance.

[Adonael]

When you say 3D modelled, surely you don't mean like this kickstarter project? Just one example of a few over the years, all of which were awful and obviously bad models.

[Harvonsgard]

I'm pretty open to anything. That said, I've never seen a 3D-rendered style deck that blew me away or even just mildly interested me.
For example just lately this tarot deck started on kickstarter. I really dig the pictures and the choosen dark theme, but even if this tarot deck was only $15, I wouldn't buy it because the rendering style throw me off immediatly.
It will be a hard task to make a 3D rendered deck that will look awesome. But you are always free to proof me wrong.

Same goes by the way for Steam-, Cyber-, Tesla- and whatever-punk themed decks. I really love that theme in Manga, Animes and literature, but the majority of decks with this theme are just rubbish and you really have to nail it for me to get into my wallet.

[MagikFingerz]

I'm pretty open to anything. That said, I've never seen a 3D-rendered style deck that blew me away or even just mildly interested me.

+1. I think 3D models/graphics just don't translate well onto the playing card medium. Also, most playing card collectors/enthusiasts are probably used to more traditional art styles, at least on their decks.

[Räpylätassu]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

[RandyButterfield]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

My Imperial Decks were all 3D, and I think they turned out pretty cool looking!

I do agree that 3D is not good for people on Cards. It usually only works for Cards when Modelling and Rendering innanament objects. 3D characters need animation to help sell their look, I think.

Thanks, Randy

[Harvonsgard]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

My Imperial Decks were all 3D, and I think they turned out pretty cool looking!

I do agree that 3D is not good for people on Cards. It usually only works for Cards when Modelling and Rendering innanament objects. 3D characters need animation to help sell their look, I think.

Thanks, Randy

Can't help it, looks still weird for me.
I'm mostly on Roope's side on this one (I like good (as in pinacle of what is possible at the time) CGI movies though, e.g. Final Fantasy). Cards and 3D does almost never fit, and I only write almost because I never say never. For me the deck that proofs me wrong has yet still to come.

[RandyButterfield]

Hey Excelsior Cards,

I think there’s 2 main points to consider when choosing a Deck theme and medium:

(1) - will the designer / artist enjoy working with the theme and style enough to finish it?

(2) - do you think there will be enough Backers / customers to justify the hard work and time put into the design (and 3D Modelling, Rendering and Cleanup is a LOT of work)?

Beyond that, everything else is just background noise (including critiques on UC). Some of the most popular designs are Decks that UC users hate - just look at the current Jerry Nuggets project, and the ton of Cardistry Decks.


8,500 Imperial Decks were Printed and SOLD (5,000 Red, 2,500 Bicycle Black and 1,000 Gold). I had a blast creating the designs also. So in the end, the Imperial Decks were a complete success in my book!

Unique themes are always risky with Playing Cards, but I’m not afraid to focus on odd themes. Hell, I even did a few Bowling Decks, and a design that focused solely on this Forum (which also started a long tradition of Annual UC Decks)!

You’re already a step ahead with the theme. Cyberpunk looks to be a popular theme with the Kickstarter crowd. As long as the execution is done well, I think you’ll do fine.

Thanks, Randy

[excelsiorcards]

When you say 3D modelled, surely you don't mean like this kickstarter project? Just one example of a few over the years, all of which were awful and obviously bad models.

I am sorry for my delay on answering Adonael, no not at all, this is a bad project lol. I meant something like this:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/el ... erm=evolve

I don´t think that organic 3d modeled is very good on cards (at list I haven´t seen one good out there).

I will post below one of the latest render

[excelsiorcards]

I'm pretty open to anything. That said, I've never seen a 3D-rendered style deck that blew me away or even just mildly interested me.
For example just lately this tarot deck started on kickstarter. I really dig the pictures and the choosen dark theme, but even if this tarot deck was only $15, I wouldn't buy it because the rendering style throw me off immediatly.
It will be a hard task to make a 3D rendered deck that will look awesome. But you are always free to proof me wrong.

Same goes by the way for Steam-, Cyber-, Tesla- and whatever-punk themed decks. I really love that theme in Manga, Animes and literature, but the majority of decks with this theme are just rubbish and you really have to nail it for me to get into my wallet.

Hi shiroo56, thank you for replying. I agree with you, I liked a lot the goetia project, but it is "organic" 3d modeling, as I said on the reply above, it seems weird on cards, what I had in mind was something like the evolve deck (http://kck.st/2L0mVdC), but without gears and etc that make it look steampunk. I am sharing down below the last render.

[excelsiorcards]

I worked a lot on the Idea this weekend and redered a tuck box. Please let me know your thoughts

[excelsiorcards]

I'm pretty open to anything. That said, I've never seen a 3D-rendered style deck that blew me away or even just mildly interested me.

+1. I think 3D models/graphics just don't translate well onto the playing card medium. Also, most playing card collectors/enthusiasts are probably used to more traditional art styles, at least on their decks.

Thank you MagikFingerz for your thoughts. I´ve seen some good 3d modeled that are going well on kickstarter but I confess they are rare. I believe it depends on how you manage the campaing, the campaing that I mentioned (Evolve) made it look very luxurious and was 700% funded.

[excelsiorcards]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

Thanks for your thoughts Räpylätassu. I believe they are starting to grow, and as everything, in the beginning we see a lot of bad designs but there is space to improve.

[excelsiorcards]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

My Imperial Decks were all 3D, and I think they turned out pretty cool looking!

I do agree that 3D is not good for people on Cards. It usually only works for Cards when Modelling and Rendering innanament objects. 3D characters need animation to help sell their look, I think.

Thanks, Randy

Thank you so much for your contribution RandyButterfield. I have the same opinion, so my project is "inorganic based", indeed 3d characters need animation to sell. Good job on your work. I believe that 3d modeled cards have space to grow, just need a good art and go to the right audience. My inspiration was this deck: http://kck.st/2L0mVdC, I believe it is a good one and had a very successful campaign.


About your points:

(1) - will the designer / artist enjoy working with the theme and style enough to finish it?
Yes, so far the designer is committed to finish the work and is working hard on it. He enjoys the theme and has designed other decks with similar aesthetic

(2) - do you think there will be enough Backers / customers to justify the hard work and time put into the design (and 3D Modelling, Rendering and Cleanup is a LOT of work)?
So far I believe it will, cyberpunk is a theme that I love and recently we had a lot of it (through movies, netflix, 2077 coming soon, etc.) so I think now is a good timing for it and it might have enough backers depending on how I manage the campaign

[excelsiorcards]

A big no to 3D renders on playing cards, it gives a very cheap look.

A big no to 3D renders on pretty much anything...

My Imperial Decks were all 3D, and I think they turned out pretty cool looking!

I do agree that 3D is not good for people on Cards. It usually only works for Cards when Modelling and Rendering innanament objects. 3D characters need animation to help sell their look, I think.

Thanks, Randy

Can't help it, looks still weird for me.
I'm mostly on Roope's side on this one (I like good (as in pinacle of what is possible at the time) CGI movies though, e.g. Final Fantasy). Cards and 3D does almost never fit, and I only write almost because I never say never. For me the deck that proofs me wrong has yet still to come.

Challenge accepted

[STLBluesNut]

For some reason when I think cyber punk, I think of something much more gritty than the above tuck render which seem more clean like Tron.

I don't not like the render but I would definitely need to see more.

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[excelsiorcards]

Updates: Finished the tuck box (still subject to changes), some Aces, and a mock-up for Jack, King and one of the jokers (please note they are just drafts).

[excelsiorcards]

*Question: Do y´all think that withe borders make it look bad or cheap? I thought of left white borders as one of the classic features instead of putting neon or another color.

[hsbc]

I like the white borders! I LOVE that joker

[excelsiorcards]

Hello Everyone, unfortunately, I had to put the project on hold for a few months but I am back, please give me some feedback on the new cards.

[excelsiorcards]

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